CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9

[Catmommy]

Why were the « howling dogs » never noticed before PK got there? Why wasn’t PK alerted by them when he did get there? After calling 911, did PK go inside to quiet the dogs down? Did PK tell the 911 person about howling dogs? Maybe the killer was inside harming the dogs?

I don't recall any mention that the dogs were injured or howling, just very upset.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

And why wouldn’t PK ask the 911 people if he could go inside to get or see the dogs? Or at least tell 911 that something seems to be going on inside the house.

The article from John Wells mentions « howling dogs ».

 

[deugirtni]

I couldn't really find anything about the dogs howling, but I finally found this; it was the first responders who had mentioned hearing the dogs 'barking furiously':

(Gleave's two German Shepherds, who were barking furiously inside the house when emergency responders arrived at the garage where her body was found

Not sure if this link still works, sorry. In any case, with someone dead like that, with presumably blood all over the place since she'd been stabbed, and apparently according to PK, her pants were ripped.... so I'm assuming he must've thought from that, that she'd been sexually assaulted, not sure?? In any case, there's no way he should've been anywhere near anywhere to do with AG, until LE had come to gather evidence and investigate, imo. If he didn't mention the barking dogs to the 911 operator, I would think that would be odd........... I wonder why they haven't released the 911 call, or don't they do that here in Canada?
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/5809219-who-killed-audrey-gleave-/

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I just googled 911 calls and it seems LE have to give permission for them to be released in Canada . There must be a reason they/it was not released. Wouldn’t the media have asked for the 911 call?
If LE don’t give permission to release the tapes, it’s because it might prejudice the case.

I didn’t put the link here because it’s a long article about NS, the RCMP and local LE.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

To the post above mine just above- didn’t PK say that 911 asked him to check for a pulse?

 

[dotr]

To the post above mine just above- didn’t PK say that 911 asked him to check for a pulse?

Audrey's story continues | TheSpec.com
https://www.thespec.com › hamilton-region › 2011/09/19

''Sept 19, 2011 — The person on the other end asked him to confirm she was dead. He returned to the garage, knelt down and felt for a pulse. Then he went outside, ...''

 

[deugirtni]

To the post above mine just above- didn’t PK say that 911 asked him to check for a pulse?

Yes, I guess checking on the status of life preempts keeping the crimescene unadulterated

 

[Gina20]

I just googled 911 calls and it seems LE have to give permission for them to be released in Canada . There must be a reason they/it was not released. Wouldn’t the media have asked for the 911 call?
If LE don’t give permission to release the tapes, it’s because it might prejudice the case.

I didn’t put the link here because it’s a long article about NS, the RCMP and local LE.

From what I've seen, 911 calls are not commonly released to the public in Canada. It does happen in public inquiries, like the current Nova Scotia shooting inquiry.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

OK, thanks so much for that.

 

[FromGermany1]

And why wouldn’t PK ask the 911 people if he could go inside to get or see the dogs? Or at least tell 911 that something seems to be going on inside the house.

The article from John Wells mentions « howling dogs ».

The dogs didn't respect him very much, afaik. PK wouldn't have wanted to go inside, I'm sure. IMO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Did PK tell us that the dogs didn’t take to him? My memory is bad but I thought he said something about them liking him. I certainly could be wrong in that.

 

[deugirtni]

Did PK tell us that the dogs didn’t take to him? My memory is bad but I thought he said something about them liking him. I certainly could be wrong in that.

Yes, they never warmed up to him, even after all the years he knew AG. Weird, huh?

After 5 years I was able to work outside with the dogs running freely but only with AG close at my side . They were exceptionally protective and were always waiting for a moment of inattentiveness from AG so they could have a little nip at me.

CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #2

Thanks both for the warm welcome. I was so thankful to find this forum and I deeply appreciate the spirit of inquiry in attempts to understand what happened to poor AG :(. Please don't hesitate to ask if there are any details that I can provide. I had no idea that there were people such as...

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Haha, even if the dogs knew the scent I would expect them to bark up a storm… every time I arrived they went wild
CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #2

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I have a belief that animals sense good and bad. There was a reason those dogs felt the need to protect AG. I fully believe that.

 

[dotr]

FWIW, noting that this 74 year old woman was also viciously attacked in her garage..

Canada- Yorcaef Rodriguez-Martinez, 23, Arrested for violent rape & assault of woman, 74, in her garage, Newmarket, Ontario, 25 May '22

Yorcaef Rodriguez-Martinez, 23, of Newmarket is pictured in this image released by York Regional Police Thursday, May 26, 2022. (Handout/ YRP) https://www.cp24.com/news/suspect-arrested-in-violent-sex-assault-of-newmarket-senior-yrp-1.5920085 May 26 2022 rbbm. ''York Regional Police say a...

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[No_Stone_Unturned]

I was thinking of Audrey when I heard about this. But he would have been very young at the time of AGs murder.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

i still think we have to « look young and look close ». This guy is an illegal immigrant who entered Canada through Roxton from the USA. It’s still a good idea to post all similar cases. Not criticizing here. Just adding info.

 

[dotr]

i still think we have to « look young and look close ». This guy is an illegal immigrant who entered Canada through Roxton from the USA. It’s still a good idea to post all similar cases. Not criticizing here. Just adding info.

Just started thread, the words "sexual component" in relation to both Audrey's murder and this attack rang a bell.. fwiw.

Canada- Woman, 46, In Life-threatening condition, Violent sexual assault in alleyway, Hamilton, Ontario, 27 June' 22 *PERP Pic*

https://www.cp24.com/news/woman-in-life-threatening-condition-after-violent-sexual-assault-in-hamilton-police-say-1.5965242 ''A 46-year-old woman was rushed to hospital in life-threatening condition after a violent sexual assault in Hamilton early Monday morning. Hamilton police were in the...

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rbbm.

Woman in life-threatening condition after violent sexual assault in Hamilton, police say

A 46-year-old woman was rushed to hospital in life-threatening condition after a violent sexual assault in Hamilton early Monday morning.

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''Hamilton police were in the vicinity of Barton Street East near Victoria Avenue just before 3 a.m. when they were flagged down by a witness and alerted to the presence of a woman in nearby alleyway, who was suffering from serious injuries following an apparent assault.

Police say that investigators have since determined that the assault “contained a sexual component” and are therefore treating the incident as a sexual assault investigation.''

Who killed Audrey Gleave? ‘Horrendous’ Ancaster murder still unsolved

Retired science teacher’s body was found in her garage, with her protective dogs locked in the house.

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''Shortly after the murder, police said Gleave was the victim of “a horrendous, vicious attack.”

Investigators at the time also said the crime was committed at the hands of one or more assailants unknown to the victim. Gleave suffered stab wounds, among other injuries, and police indicated that there was a “sexual component” to the attack.''

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

“One or more assailants “. Is this new, did it get dropped? I recall LE talking about how vicious her attack was. Horrible.

 

[dotr]

“One or more assailants “. Is this new, did it get dropped? I recall LE talking about how vicious her attack was. Horrible.

Missed that “One or more assailants “ great point, eeks !

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

One or more *might be* someone to lure AG to the garage and someone to do the attack? Thinking out loud here.