FL FL - Altamonte Springs, WhtFem 67UFFL, 15-23, 'Ginger', may be from MI, Aug'73

[carbuff]

isotopes were really wrong for Evelyn colon though saying she was from Europe when she lived in Pennsylvania and was from Puerto Rico

Yeah, we should always be aware that they could be misleading or wrong.

But I guess that's true of nearly any information we get

 

[John/Jane Doe]

So far, Rose Ann Hockenson remains a very good match for "Ginger" Altamonte Springs Jane Doe.

Rose Ann Hockenson thread:

FL - FL - Rose Ann Hockenson, 14, Naranja, 14 Feb 1973

A newer addition to NamUs The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Case Information Demographics Missing Age 14 Years Current Age 63 Years First Name Rose Middle Name Ann Last Name Hockenson Nickname/Alias-- Sex Female Height4' 5" - 5' 8" (53 - 68 Inches) Weight 60 -...

www.websleuths.com

 

[theshadow45]

“Ginger” has been unidentified for 49 years today.

 

[Caring1]

I have reviewed the thread and don’t see where Rosemary Buck has been mentioned as a possible candidate for this Jane Doe.

PMI for UID is 1-12 months and Rosemary‘s DLC was 8/11/73. This is only 12 days until discovery. However, this is FL in the heat of the summer and decomposition can be accelerated.

UID recon looks a lot like Rosemary and she may have left with someone on their motorcycle which is aligned with the circumstances of our unidentified. She was last seen on the back of a motorcycle.

Possible?

Buck was last seen in Syracuse, New York on August 11, 1973. She was hitchhiking at the corner of Sixth North Street and Wolf Street at noon, and may have ridden away on the back of someone's motorcycle. She lived in the 1100 block of Wolf Street.

Buck frequented the now-defunct Yellow Balloon Bar on Thompson Road near Erie Boulevard east in 1973. She frequently traveled to attend rock concerts, and she told friends she planned to go to Boston, Massachusetts to meet an unknown male friend.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Beekarina]

I have reviewed the thread and don’t see where Rosemary Buck has been mentioned as a possible candidate for this Jane Doe.

PMI for UID is 1-12 months and Rosemary‘s DLC was 8/11/73. This is only 12 days until discovery. However, this is FL in the heat of the summer and decomposition can be accelerated.

UID recon looks a lot like Rosemary and she may have left with someone on their motorcycle which is aligned with the circumstances of our unidentified. She was last seen on the back of a motorcycle.

Possible?

Buck was last seen in Syracuse, New York on August 11, 1973. She was hitchhiking at the corner of Sixth North Street and Wolf Street at noon, and may have ridden away on the back of someone's motorcycle. She lived in the 1100 block of Wolf Street.

Buck frequented the now-defunct Yellow Balloon Bar on Thompson Road near Erie Boulevard east in 1973. She frequently traveled to attend rock concerts, and she told friends she planned to go to Boston, Massachusetts to meet an unknown male friend.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

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There is a resemblance.

The timeline feels a bit tight to me, BUT it is possible, as you pointed out. With a case the long/cold I would personally go ahead and submit. There is nothing to lose.

 

[Caring1]

Ok, thank you. I will go ahead and submit.

 

[Richard]

Here is another photo of Rosemary for comparison, It was taken from her case thread in the Missing But Not Forgotten section of Websleuths:

Rosemary Hamilton Buck (left) and composite drawing of Altamonte Springs Jane Doe (right)
Age 20. Missing since 11 August 1973

 

[Beekarina]

Here is another photo of Rosemary for comparison, It was taken from her case thread in the Missing But Not Forgotten section of Websleuths:

Rosemary Hamilton Buck (left) and composite drawing of Altamonte Springs Jane Doe (right)
Age 20. Missing since 11 August 1973

The likeness is stronger here. Let us know how it goes @Caring1

 

[Truly_Mysterious]

Newspaper articles from the time when the two bodies were discovered

Aug 22, 1973

Clipped from The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 22 Aug 1973, Wed • Page 53


Aug 23, 1973

Clipped from The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 23 Aug 1973, Thu • Page 207


Aug 24, 1973

Clipping The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 5
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Clipping The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 154
Clipping The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 154


Clipping The Tampa Tribune, Tampa, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 25
Clipping Tampa Bay Times, St. Petersburg, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 33


Clipped from News-Press, Fort Myers, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 21


Aug 25, 1973

Clipped from The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 25 Aug 1973, Sat • Page 1


Clipped from Tampa Bay Times, St. Petersburg, Florida, 25 Aug 1973, Sat • Page 8


Aug 26 - Aug 27, 1973

Clipping Florida Today, Cocoa, Florida, 26 Aug 1973, Sun • Page 18A
Clipping The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 27 Aug 1973, Mon • Page 22


Sep 10, 1973

Clipped from The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida,10 Sep 1973, Mon • Page 24

 

[Truly_Mysterious]

Information about the ring found with the bodies


Doe Network Case # 67UFFL


NamUs Case #UP1341




Clipped from The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 5




Clipped from The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 154



Clipped from News-Press, Fort Myers, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 21



Clipped from, The Tampa Tribune, Tampa, Florida, 24 Aug 1973, Fri • Page 25




Clipped from Tampa Bay Times, St. Petersburg, Florida, 25 Aug 1973, Sat • Page 8




Clipped from, Florida Today, Cocoa, Florida, 26 Aug 1973, Sun • Page 18A



Clipped from The Orlando Sentinel, Orlando, Florida, 10 Sep 1973, Mon • Page 24

 

[Truly_Mysterious]

According to the old newspapers articles the Ring was described as being:-

- 10 carot white gold -
- Set with diamonds surrounding a larger alexandrite stone -
- The word "DASON" inscribed on the gold band (which is the manufactures trademark of Davisson & Son) -

- Multiple old newspaper articles describe the ring as having a Green Birthstone

I wonder why NamUs shows a different color birthstone in it's image?

Information about the ring found with the bodies

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Doe Network Case # 67UFFL

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NamUs Case #UP1341



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Clipped from, Florida Today, Cocoa, Florida, 26 Aug 1973, Sun • Page 18A


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[Bit of hope]

According to the old newspapers articles the Ring was described as being:-

- 10 carot white gold -
- Set with diamonds surrounding a larger alexandrite stone -
- The word "DASON" inscribed on the gold band (which is the manufactures trademark of Davisson & Son) -

- Multiple old newspaper articles describe the ring as having a Green BirthstoneView attachment 386640

I wonder why NamUs shows a different color birthstone in it's image?View attachment 386633

Maybe it was dirty (looking green) and they cleaned it up.

 

[Caring1]

Back in 2015 there was a short discussion between @Sleuthster and @carbuff about Megan Emerick as a possibility for this Jand Doe.

Do either of you know if she was ever submitted? I really believe she is a good candidate. She is not listed as being ruled out.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Back in 2015 there was a short discussion between @Sleuthster and @carbuff about Megan Emerick as a possibility for this Jand Doe.

Do either of you know if she was ever submitted? I really believe she is a good candidate. She is not listed as being ruled out.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

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Here is Megan Emerick's thread:

AK - AK - Megan Emerick, 17, Seward, 7 July 1973

Megan has been missing for nearly thirty-five years and I can find no information anywhere on her disappearance, which is distressing. Her Charley case is here: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/emerick_megan.html And the NCMEC just published an AP of her, aged to 51 years old, here...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Truly_Mysterious]

Maybe it was dirty (looking green) and they cleaned it up.

According to an old newspaper article and the Doe Network Case # 67UFFL the ring had a large alexandrite stone (a birthstone for June apparently).

From what I could research the Alexandrite is a chrysoberyl gemstone called the “chameleon stone,” because of its color-changing quality known as "The Alexandrite Effect" and it's rareness. So the color could vary between Green, Red, Blue, Yellow, Pink, Purple, and Grey depending on the light source.

 

[subaw0067]

According to an old newspaper article and the Doe Network Case # 67UFFL the ring had a large alexandrite stone (a birthstone for June apparently).

From what I could research the Alexandrite is a chrysoberyl gemstone called the “chameleon stone,” because of its color-changing quality known as "The Alexandrite Effect" and it's rareness. So the color could vary between Green, Red, Blue, Yellow, Pink, Purple, and Grey depending on the light source.

Alexandrite is one of the birth stones for June.

 

[Truly_Mysterious]

Dumped Bodies Dates Differ - Newspaper Article Florida Today 26 Aug 1973, Sun • Page 18A

On Aug 22nd, 1973 Laura Lynn Harberts remains were descovered in the same dumping spot as 'Ginger' doe's scattered skeletal remains. Laura went missing Aug 5th, 1973. An autopsy concluded Laura had been dead about 2-weeks before her discovery and so died about the same day she went missing.

Where as a medical examiner at the time determined 'Ginger' doe's body had been dumped there 6-8 months before Laura's body. So between Dec 1972 and Feb 1973.

 

[Truly_Mysterious]

Alexandrite is one of the birth stones for June.

Yes, and i have just discovered the birth month of Laura Harberts, whose remains were found with 'Ginger' doe is June.

Laura Lynn Harberts: Birth date Jun 25, 1955. see link Ancestry

I wonder if the ring actually did belonged to Laura Lynn Harberts, but her family or friends just didn't recognise it at the time.

Or is it just a sheer coincidence. Maybe 'Ginger' doe's birth month is also June if it's her ring.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

14 Missing Person Exclusions