I know the thread has moved on, but I think this might be useful for the future:Strange, it isn't in mine.
Scott Peterson case is an example - they knew it was him but took 4 months to collect enough evidence to ensure a conviction.
PTSD
Command prompts. Schizophrenia/schizoaffective d/o. Or, brainwashed by deluded ideologies.
Unlikely.
I hadn’t heard of KG’s ex being onstage at a memorial. JMO
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I think it depends on what you're used to, and is greatly influenced by age. My husband is in construction and he hears that word used like some other people would use "damn" or "crap". They think nothing of it. My daughter has a serious potty mouth, gained from working in a commercial kitchen. I had no idea, lol. I hear people use it fairly both in a joking and serious way. And it's easy for me to tell which is which. YMMV
I think Brian killed in a moment of passion and regretted it later on To the point oF committing suicide. The Idaho murders were planned out thoughtfully, and I believe the killer is thrilled that he/she has not been caught……………..yet.
"Seems likely that maybe they were s!eeping".Coroner Mabbutt was pretty clear about what she saw.
"It was late at night or early in the morning so it seems likely that maybe they were sleeping," said Mabbutt. The coroner explained that each victim had been stabbed multiple times and most of them had a single injury that was the "lethal stab wound." "The fatal ones were to the chest area or the upper body area," said Mabbutt, who noted that "a pretty large knife" was used in the attack.
An Idaho coroner says 'somebody that's pretty angry' stabbed 4 college students to death in their beds, likely while they were sleeping
Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt said each victim had been stabbed multiple times with a "pretty large knife."news.yahoo.com
Mabbutt visited the crime scene and reached out to each family member to disclose details from the autopsies.
The students were ambushed as they slept in their beds at 1122 King Road with a large fixed-blade knife, according to police and Mabbutt. Each victim had multiple stab wounds. "It had to be a really big knife to inflict those injuries and kill four people," she said. At least one victim had defensive wounds, which suggested she awoke during the attack, Mabbutt noted.
Moscow has had its share of killings, but the quadruple homicide is "the first time they haven’t known who did it in a short period of time,"Mabbutt, said.
Mabbutt said it was likely the four had bled out in the home.
Idaho murders: Coroner weighs in on toxicology reports, describes her role in case
Toxicology reports for four slain University of Idaho students are unlikely to offer any new clues in the unsolved murders, the local coroner told Fox News Digital.www.foxnews.com
She [Mabbutt] said DNA samples have been taken from the scene and are being processed. When pressed, she said it was "possible" that some of the DNA being tested may not be of the four victims. "There were nail clippings that were taken, and other ones that are being sent off, and so that will be processed," she said. They are awaiting final autopsy results, which will not be available for another four to six weeks, pending toxicology. Mabbutt said in this case, the toxicology reports likely wouldn't be important to the investigation.
Coroner offers new details about fatal slaying of 4 U of Idaho students after preliminary autopsies
The four students were found stabbed to death inside a home in Moscow, Idaho, on Nov. 13.www.today.com
I agree. Hopefully there is DNA in the bedroom's of someone who doesn't belong, or has never been in the girl's bedrooms.
He was up there with her family.I hadn’t heard of KG’s ex being onstage at a memorial. JMO
Perhaps you are thinking of MM’s boyfriend?
Boyfriend of slain Idaho student Madison Mogen breaks silence on bloody attack
The grieving boyfriend of Madison Mogen, one of four murdered University of Idaho students, broke his weeks-long silence about the monstrous killings during a heartbreaking memorial in the town whe…
I know I should but I haven’t had the time!!
I hadn’t heard of KG’s ex being onstage at a memorial. JMO
Perhaps you are thinking of MM’s boyfriend?
Boyfriend of slain Idaho student Madison Mogen breaks silence on bloody attack
The grieving boyfriend of Madison Mogen, one of four murdered University of Idaho students, broke his weeks-long silence about the monstrous killings during a heartbreaking memorial in the town whe…
www.spokesman.com
It's possible he's dead but I don't think it would have been from inflicting death upon himself. Car accident perhaps. Drove off a mountain pass and comfortably resting 800 ft. down at the bottom. If I were to ask employers for no shows, I would ask only for those that have never returned.
I might have overexaggerated at the 'slightest suspicion' part but the cops do not really need that much if they believe you are the suspect. All they need is a probable cause and circumstantial evidence to at least hold you for a specific time. Take Delphi as the recent example - the case is built mostly on circumstantial evidence. If for example, they suspect the killer, they can track his movements, they can track where he was at the time of the murders, possible motive, camera footage, etc. That will be enough to detain him while they build the case. We're month in a half in, that's plenty of time to collect such evidence if they had a suspect.
I don't think there are any similarities between the Gainesville murders and this besides the weapon of choice. Rolling was motivated sexually, this killer was obviously not. I know people speculate if the stabbings are some form of sexual gratification or what not, but that's just what it is - speculation. There was no sexual assault on any of the victims. It seems murder was the end goal here and little else. Second, Rolling was pretty sloppy for the most part and would have been caught with modern technology almost immediately since his DNA, being a prior offender, would have been in the database. This killer so far, albeit inexperienced and risky, doesn't seem to have left much. Even with modern technology the Elantra so far has been the only thing of note about him and whether that is relevant to the investigation or not might be a hail mary. Also, Rolling had a real trouble functioning in his personal life, doing stupid *advertiser censored*, having trouble keeping his jobs, etc - things that would immediately arouse some suspicion in a small town such as Moscow. He would also pose his victims and take pleasure in mutilating them, with the cops, etc. So far from everything we know this killer didn't do any of that and we at least know a little about the crime scene given what the coroner told the Goncalves family of Kaylee's 'tear wounds'. But the thing is, that could easily just be the killer trying to kill her as fast as possible before having to deal with Maddie. Or simply having a specific hatred for her.
I guess he was invited by family.KG's family and JD were onstage at the Celebration of Life in early December that was hosted by Real Life Ministries. JD was on stage with KG's family, but he didn't speak.
'Gifts to this world': Family, friends and surviving roommates remember UI students at Post Falls celebration of life
Family, friends and the North Idaho community gathered Friday to remember the four University of Idaho students who were brutally killed last month.
As you pointed out, that is what Mr G SAID the Coroner told him. I don't think that should be given much accuracy at this point. But again it is an example of someone saying they were told something, and pretty soon the underlying statement is taken as fact. This is why hearsay is not allowed in court. A stab with a survival type knife, like a K-bar with a serrated back side, would leave horrific wounds from just a stab. It would rip the flesh as it is withdrawn. But it is still a stab.But a very interesting out of the box theory. Indeed, you're moving right ahead into an area we haven't really explored - which is the victimology of this crime. Since we do not know an individual target, we can definitely theorize about who, exactly, the intended victims are. Perhaps not just the four dead students.
Maybe all students in general (through anxiety and terror), maybe the town in general, maybe all college bound young people?
I hadn't thought of police, though. I can envision a scenario in which Murderer feels that SOME people get better treatment by the police than others. And yes, taking away LE's reliance on DNA is a major blow (and that's basically what happened here, IMO). Yep, no specific target.
And, perhaps the killer is testing his own Rules of Engagement. Will people who know him...tell on him, in any way? I sure would be afraid to, if I sensed anything remotely like his true nature.
This crime could haunt those specific police in Moscow for the rest of their lives (and the FBI/ISP involved as well). As well as others who feel they might have foreseen it.
It is still so surreal.
I just posted where she said otherwise. I'll go find it again.
Here's the quote from the article cited below:
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Steven Goncalves said he asked the coroner, Cathy Mabbutt, how many times the victims were stabbed.
"She says, sir, I don't think stabs is the right word, it was like tears, like this was a strong weapon, not like a stab," he told Fox News Digital Sunday.//
Idaho murders: Father of slain victim says she had 'big open wounds,' calls police 'cowards'
The father of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves said the victims had "big open gouges" that were clearly the work of a "sadistic male" and called police "cowards" for not sharing more with the public.www.fox10phoenix.com
This is of course according to Mr. G. In the next article, the word "slashing" is used. But in the above article, Mr G says the Coroner specifically corrected him and chose a different word than "stab."
Idaho murders: Father of slain victim says she had 'big open wounds,' calls police 'cowards'
The father of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves said the victims had "big open gouges" that were clearly the work of a "sadistic male" and called police "cowards" for not sharing more with the public.www.fox29.com
AFAIK, the death certificate is not public - but if anyone has heard what it actually said besides Homicide, please point us to it.
