ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[Sundog]

He doesn't have to wait for a preliminary hearing to have a shot at bail. Bail was requested and denied at the initial court appearance. And I don't think it would be correct to characterize the defense as stalling since the prosecution asked for the preliminary hearing to be put off even farther out - July.

I thought it was the defense that requested the preliminary hearing be held in June, and then the judge asked the prosecution if they had any problems with that, and the prosecutor replied that he preferred a week or two later due to some calendar conflicts?

 

[danablue1]

Also is the front door seen being wide open at 9:30am by a eyewitness/neighbor a verified fact

 

[detectivewannab]

MOO Just a couple of things I’ve been thinking about….
Murphy - It might be a long shot, but here’s hoping that the one animal hair is a match (Ha ha, I got grief for wanting to know all details re Murphy as I thought it could be important - fingers crossed here!)
Single black glove - <modsnip - no link> - one also mentioned as collected in the search warrant.
IMO

Computer is going to get him.

 

[tara83]

I agree. And yet we wouldn't know anything about that, would we? I mean if he is sharing such information.

This doesn't ring true to me at all.What possible reason would he have to take the rap for someone?Plus he's been described as a loner who doesn't seem very close to anyone outside his family.They seem the only ones he would want to protect and I don't see them involved in these murders in any way.

 

[jepop]

The order is not limited to the formal parties (the state and BK). It includes:

"The attorneys for any interested party in this case, including the prosecuting attorney, defense attorney, and any attorney representing a witness. victim, or victim‘s family. as well as the parties to the above entitled action, including but not limited to investigators, law enforcement personal, and agents for the prosecuting attorney or defense attorney..."

The order further states:

"...that no individual covered by this order shall avoid its proscriptions by actions directly or indirectly, but deliberately, that result in violating this order."

It covers pretty much anyone likely to have inside information about the case. MOO

Thank you. I think we agree completely. Anyone with leaked 'insider information" might also fall under the order like you suggest IMO. MOO - not a lawyer

 

[Sundog]

I've often that that his comment about the "shopping" being better in Moscow had a dark connotation to it.

I think it was just a statement of fact, no underlying meaning/connotation.

 

[Chloegirl]

A vegan might suggest that any carnivore who is responsile for the killing of countless animals but frets about the slaughter of four human being might strike him or her as something of an oddity.

(I'm not a vegan; I'm merely trying to look at things from a vegan's perspective.)

I live in Moscow and let me just tell you this is not a vegan friendly town. I have been vegan, and most people who do so initially trying not to kill animals in order to eat daily for a variety of reasons (not looking to be controversial just stating the facts).

When you first sign on to something like this it takes a lot of dedication and having a principled reason for doing so actually helps reinforce each and every decision that you place into your mouth. Some vegans do so for health reason others are vegetarians trying to clean up their dairy laden diets.

Humans are complicated and full of contradiction, so is quite possible he was was avoiding an urge for a very long time before deciding to be a murderer. Perhaps veganism served this purpose as well, philosophically. A vegan (or vegetarian) would not say it's okay to kill humans but object to animal consumption. Inherently, that is ridiculous.

I do find it pretty peculiar that somebody who would be vegan-minded would decide to murder four students that they got hyper-focused on for reasons that are probably related to their own personal (entitlement) issues. It goes against being a vegan in every possible way you can think. A lot of the world is vegetarian and for a very simplistic life-approach reasons. When you murder a human, you have complicated absolutely everything.

JMOO

 

[detectivewannab]

Not at all.

I'm saying they didn't have to wait until BK took the family trash to the neighbor's to obtain the family's trash and test it for DNA.

I'm also saying the odds BK was going to throw anything, evidence-wise, away at that point is stretching it.

Thirdly, due to the layout of the neighborhood--the houses setting so far back from the road--it would be difficult to watch the Kohberger's house without being seen. I could be wrong, but the driveway seems to abut a main branch road, where parking likely isn't allowed (MOO). Being LE, they could still likely park there, but they would be highly noticeable. So, they could have (most likely) parked in one of the driveways on the opposite side of the road.

It's also likely the trash bins were next to the houses in the middle of the night. This is just MOO, but where I live, residents do not pull the bins out to the road until morning, and then they pull them back before dark.

As I said before, I don't disbelieve LE got into the trash, I just question where the bins were in the middle of the night and where LE parked to allow them to see what was happening.

In my neighborhood a kid (19) was running drugs and they had a camera installed on a light poll. I work from home and remember the day the power company came.

 

[10ofRods]

It wouldn't be unusual to clean the interior of your car after a long, cross-country trip and later go to a car wash to clean the exterior. So I doubt his parents would have found this odd at all.

The cleaning of the car in and of itself would not be odd, but usually humans look at the total context of an event. It's possible that the parents never suspect BK of anything and he has successfully shown them only his law-abiding side (at least, since he kicked heroin).

But they do know that he has had issues in the past. Dad seemed knowledgeable about crime in the Pullman area, did dad not follow the news about the Moscow murders? Of course, the SWAT incident actually happened while he was in Pullman, so it's entirely possible he otherwise did not read news.

Like most murderers who kill in cold blood, BK was probably acting normal in other ways as well. The parents were probably used to him being up at night.

Not sure if this was asked before but did any of the girls spend the summer in Moscow, working or did they all arrive in time for fall semester? I know there was some question if BK moved there in August or June( has that been cleared up?). Im just curious , when his first encounter with one of them may have bee?

IIRC, Xana and Maddie signed the lease in June (and perhaps one other roommate, who later moved out, not Kaylee). Kaylee arrives in Moscow in August for her last semester. D and B are new to the house, but I don't know when they moved in (they are members of the same sorority as Xana and Maddie were; Kaylee is from a different sorority). The house had apparently been associated with Pi Beta Phi for the previous year as well.

There would have been fewer students around in June and July, IMO, at both campuses. U of ID has a smaller student body than WSU and might have felt more approachable to a newcomer from thousands of miles away. I can think of other things that might have drawn BK into getting to know both communities at the same time.

 

[detectivewannab]

Probably his first capital crime, because while he planned it, he screwed up too much. However, he may have done other serious crimes before this, like stalking, window peeping, flashing, burglary, and rape. But if he's killed before, that's possible too. We can be confident Pennsylvania is looking hard at unsolved cases where this psychopathic preadator lived.

It does seem he's not just guilty but incompetent because he used his own car, left a knife-sheath, was utterly ignorant of home security cameras, had previously stalked the house with his phone's GPS footprints all over the place, and probably had contact with the victims at the Mad Greek restaurant with its partly vegan menu.

The restaurant seems like where he fixed on MM and/or KG. Which one he fixed on or interacted with may not correspond to which one was more brutally attacked. It could have been both. Either one of them could have set him off into some sort of narcissistic rage if he demanded to know if his food was served with brand new pots or<modsnip - off topic>

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He maybe book smart but has NO comman sense.

 

[Canchance]

There were probably dog hairs in the bed,all over that house in fact. If they found even one of his hairs in BKs apartment or car..game over IMO.

I have a goldendoodle and she does not shed at all. I’m sure a hair or 2 could be found around but I’ve actually never seen one.

 

[gliving]

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[jepop]

BK's apartment search warrant mentions a sword which I found curious since the found sheath is for a KaBar knife and I doubt a sword with fit inside:

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"Knives, sheaths, or other sharp tools, including any dagger, dirk, or sword, and any written indicia of ownership of same, including sales receipts."

Just covering all bases would be my guess, imagine if MPD and specialist support had been searching his residence and discovered a sword and were not permitted to remove it for analysis? lol MOO Anyway, we know they never found a sword during execution of the Warrant(Return Service DOc) but why take any chances!

 

[10ofRods]

Not at all.

I'm saying they didn't have to wait until BK took the family trash to the neighbor's to obtain the family's trash and test it for DNA.

I'm also saying the odds BK was going to throw anything, evidence-wise, away at that point is stretching it.

Thirdly, due to the layout of the neighborhood--the houses setting so far back from the road--it would be difficult to watch the Kohberger's house without being seen. I could be wrong, but the driveway seems to abut a main branch road, where parking likely isn't allowed (MOO). Being LE, they could still likely park there, but they would be highly noticeable. So, they could have (most likely) parked in one of the driveways on the opposite side of the road.

It's also likely the trash bins were next to the houses in the middle of the night. This is just MOO, but where I live, residents do not pull the bins out to the road until morning, and then they pull them back before dark.

As I said before, I don't disbelieve LE got into the trash, I just question where the bins were in the middle of the night and where LE parked to allow them to see what was happening.

And where I live, everyone pulls their trash out the night before (sometimes the afternoon before, depending on their work schedule).

There are AirBnB properties in that community, I believe. The little gated community is also a vacation community. So it's possible LE rented one, making it easier to keep tabs while the PCA went through the two sets of courts.

If the trash bins were next to the houses, then BK's action is even more striking, as he clearly walked the length of his own driveway before he could get to any neighbor's trash. I figure the bins were already out there, but if not, then he trespassed on neighbor property in addition to using their trash bin.

Night vision drones are very quiet.

 

[BondGirl007]

Probably his first capital crime, because while he planned it, he screwed up too much. However, he may have done other serious crimes before this, like stalking, window peeping, flashing, burglary, and rape. But if he's killed before, that's possible too. We can be confident Pennsylvania is looking hard at unsolved cases where this psychopathic preadator lived.

It does seem he's not just guilty but incompetent because he used his own car, left a knife-sheath, was utterly ignorant of home security cameras, had previously stalked the house with his phone's GPS footprints all over the place, and probably had contact with the victims at the Mad Greek restaurant with its partly vegan menu.

The restaurant seems like where he fixed on MM and/or KG. Which one he fixed on or interacted with may not correspond to which one was more brutally attacked. It could have been both. Either one of them could have set him off into some sort of narcissistic rage if he demanded to know if his food was served with brand new pots or<modsnip - off topic>

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I'd be shocked if this was his first murder. I feel like he killed someone in PA, but it may have been a completely different situation where he was able to get one person alone somehow.

 

[persimm0n]

...but not a Machete.
IMO

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So curious about the recent mentions of a machete all of the sudden! I considered the possibility of a second weapon when they described the victims' injuries differently in the PCA, stab wounds vs. sharp force injuries, but I think if he carried it out with him something of that size would be almost impossible to miss? It would make sense to not see a KaBar knife if he was holding it at his side opposite Dylan especially if it was angled down, but even in the dark a machete is a pretty large object to miss.

 

[CityKid]

I don't think plastic or rubber knife sheaths are something that are typically made for knives that size but if you're wondering about non leather options, there are a few options that one could order but it may take some time.

The leather sheath is sold with the knife and we don't really know his reason for vegan eating. I would also suggest that a vegan who is accused of literally slaughtering four humans but frets about a leather sheath strikes me as somewhat of an oddity.

Anyone who literally slaughters four humans is an oddity, thankfully!

 

[Dexter12]

Agreed!

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I wonder if the judge added the families because she "thinks" SG have been too vocal and may say something that needs to be kept close to the vest for the good of the trial? Not saying I agree with this just speculating the reasoning...

Do you think that one reason could be because of Mabbutt telling Kaylee's little sister about Kaylee's wounds?

 

[BondGirl007]

I thought the whole idea of getting DNA from trash is that no search warrant is required.

Exactly, trash is public one the trash can has been taken to the curb.

 

[10ofRods]

I'm wondering about the validity of the recent claims he went there because I saw a follow up post on twitter from a different reporter, I'm sorry I don't have the link handy anymore, claiming she contacted MG after these new claims were made and the manager and current staff said none of them recognized him or remembered him coming in. I guess it's possible they found credit card activity/receipts but idk, just seems weird for it to come out NOW. I know before an arrest was made people may have been worried for their safety, maybe they just didn't want to admit they recognized him over fears of how others have been harassed. And, with how many people close to him have sad how strict of a vegan he was, including making his aunt buy new pans that had meat cooked in them? I was vegan for a LONG time, I was a teenager who had just discovered PETA and I had the same "rules", wanting separate serving utensils, I only ate at specifically vegan restaurants, etc. There has also been comments made from his past friends and family saying he eats super low carb, like he doesn't even eat most fruits, and a vegan pizza is not a low carb menu option lol. All of this JMO

The article you reference is from a local reporter, and it does not say that she contacted the manager. It shows a stock picture of MG and says the reporter contacted "staff" (IMO, whoever answered the phone). No manager. She does not say how many people she talked to, but whoever was there during school break (I believe the restaurant was operating on a reduced schedule in between Dec 20 and about January 7), answered her question and said they had not seen Bryan. One employee, IMO.

The more recent story quotes two employees, I believe, at least one of whom is an ex-employee. And the ex-employee remembers BK.

I would think that any sensible person who wanted to know if BK was at MadGreek would want to interview more than 1-2 people.

I know plenty of low carb people and was near zero carb myself for a couple of years. We/they order pizza and just eat the toppings.