Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #16

[Cuko]

If it turns out she did drown and has been found in the river, it doesn't say much for that specialist dive expert Lancashire Police brought in.
He said she definitely wasn't in there, other wise he'd have found her.
It'll make him look a bit silly, especially as he was so egoistical and sure of himself.

If it turns out that Nicola did indeed drown, it doesn’t reflect particularly well on PF or on the police forces’s own divers, who all searched repeatedly. I can only think that her body must have been concealed by mud or other underwater debris. Whatever the case, its a tragic outcome for two little girls and the entire family.

 

[tedtink]

Sounds like it's Nicola.

Who else would it be ?
Thinking about her devastated loved ones today.

Eh?
I was replying to another poster about how they could have managed to see the body from the path.

I wasn't questioning who the walkers had seen.

 

[cortina]

whatever, if anyone isreading this who knows the family...which I doubt...please convey the sadness. of everyone here..if we offended, it was clumsiness rather than intent...if. we could have brought her. back, we. would have

 

[Lilly b]

Sounds like it's Nicola.

Who else would it be ?
Thinking about her devastated loved ones today.

First time I've seen the map, where the body was found, so is that going up away from the estuary, as in up stream and not down?

 

[abovethestorm]

First time I've seen the map, where the body was found, so is that going up away from the estuary, as in up stream and not down?

No, downstream by a mile or so.

 

[pineapple23]

If it turns out that Nicola did indeed drown, it doesn’t reflect particularly well on PF or on the police forces’s own divers, who all searched repeatedly. I can only think that her body must have been concealed by mud or other underwater debris. Whatever the case, its a tragic outcome for two little girls and the entire family.

Bodies can be notoriously difficult to find. They can shift one day, to a spot searched the day before. I'm less accepting of someone who can say 100% that if they don't find them, they're not there.

 

[Sweeper2000]

What are your thoughts on where the body has been found?

What are your thoughts on where the body has been found?

She was probably tanglEd on underwater debris or branches. There’s a million different possibilities here. changes in the body afterwards eventually cause the body to float.

I really dont like it that the guy who scanned the river said she wasn’t in there. No way any tech I know of no matter how advanced could check everywhere. you would struggle with a sizeable person led search force with divers so the police aren’t really to be blamed, probably did everything they could but shouldn’t have got personal.

thoughts to her family.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

What are your thoughts on where the body has been found?

A bit nearer than I thought it would be after 3 weeks, but otherwise unsurprising.

I heard there was a stronger tide recently so maybe that dislodged her around the same time her body came to the surface.

Very glad she has been found; many aren’t.

 

[guiser]

Strongly agree. Absolutely he could have used his extensive expertise to assist the police and family. The at one point daily interviews on TV and with newspapers, followed by podcast episode and even Jeremy Kyle was it?

That was selfish and unnecessary and undoubtedly stirred the masses.

If he says anything today I shall be very annoyed!

Always felt his compassion and generosity was driven by his book being published on 3rd February.

 

[Erutan]

Occam's razor, Ockham's razor, or Ocham's razor (Latin: novacula Occami) in philosophy is the problem-solving principle that recommends searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements. (Taken from Wiki).

So, the simplest theory, ie a slipping accident, is often the most likely thing to have occurred.

That's my first guess.
It sounds like that river is fairly deep in some sections and fast moving ?
So sorry for Nicola if this is what occurred !
No one around to call for help.

I don't know if she could swim or not, but a river current is vastly different than swimming in a lake or pool.
Even a waist high, rushing stream can knock an experienced swimmers' footing from beneath them .

 

[GeorgeFormby]

Very suspicious that near the road. I think we need to wait for official information, and not make hasty conclusions yet. Then there is Fitbit, it contains important information, well, it should at least be.

Would a Fitbit remain on a body for so long, would the bloating/gases not compromise the strap? I know nothing about this area, so hoping somebody can chime in.

 

[daisydew124]

Hope everyone is ok after this news..

 

[guiser]

What are your thoughts on where the body has been found?

Three weeks.
Warmer weather.
Big tide.
Meandering river banked with trees and other vegetation.

Submerged body gets washed up and down a bit by flow, currents and tides.
Clothing gets snagged on a branch, jammed in vegetation or caught in a bend.
Body float to the surface on a warm day after the expected three weeks.
None of this is unusual,

 

[MusicalMonkey]

Well at least a finding a body is better than vanishing without a trace.

 

[rojo]

What are your thoughts on where the body has been found?

Directly opposite a lay-by is interesting.

The only tree on that stretch, so presumably would have been extensively searched before.

 

[Marie Bell]

As I understand it, PA asked PF to join the search. But because there was still an active police investigation going on, PF could only search the area with their permission, and only where they told him to search.

The other night I performed an Advanced Twitter search to track the history of PF's involvement. It went:-
1. PF starts popping up on TV somewhere, saying that he's got amazing sonar equioment, and that even if the police have the same equipment they might fail, because 'it's only as good as the person using it; and I'm the best'.
2. The Twitterverse starts tweeting 'this search needs PF'.
3. There are tweets saying 'I'm glad MWT suggested to PA that he contacts you, Peter' (during this time PF is saying he can do it for free because it so happens his team have some days spare)
4. PF and his merry red helicopter etc. turns up at the location.

So my belief is that PA asked LP, and LP said 'if he's doing it for free, and it's another resource, yes, great'. But he wasn't there to determine strategy or to be privy to the investigation itself. He was literally told where on the river his searching would be of assistance.

 

[MusicalMonkey]

Directly opposite a lay-by is interesting.

The only tree on that stretch, so presumably would have been extensively searched before.

Was just reading that the body was found in the same stretch of river than had been previously searched - including by Peter "if she is in the river we will 100% find her" Faulding,

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From the Telegraph link posted here:

2:51PM

Same stretch was searched by Peter Faulding​

Miles-long stretches of the River Wyre around where Ms Bulley went missing were previously searched extensively by Lancashire Police divers and Peter Faulding, a diving specialist requested by her family.

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Nicola Bulley investigation: Body found in search for missing dog walker

Police searching for Nicola Bulley recovered a body on Sunday less than a mile away from where she disappeared as officers faced growing questions over their investigation.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Anyone have any ideas what kind of "search strategy change" would have been implemented if Peter and team had "known about the vulnerabilities"?

 

[Amonet]

Would a Fitbit remain on a body for so long, would the bloating/gases not compromise the strap? I know nothing about this area, so hoping somebody can chime in.

If the fitbit isn't found with the body, then I'd expect the divers will be spending some time searching for it. I don't know how well protected they are for being in water this long though?

 

[Mr X]

IMO there has been far too much 100% in this whole story.

To me this is a worrying sign that something bad is happening in society in general. Dumbing down. It gets in everywhere.

Do people not understand basic maths?

 

[Darling136]

be prepared to move to the new thread, we are closing here soonl!