Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

[guiser]

If a body is in reeds below the water, would it still float to the top?

Maybe.
It's spent three weeks being buffeted this way and that by tides, flow, currents and god knows what.
When it becomes buoyant, assuming it's not hooked on something below the waterline, it will float upwards.

 

[Seattle1]

In full context, it's perfectly understandable how branches from a submerged tree could catch up a body (until the tide jostled) and prevent the discovery.

I previously posted the link to the Michigan student (Brendan Santo) that was missing for 88 days in the icy river behind a dorm he was visiting after his body was trapped in a log jam. Santo was discovered in January 2022 after a volunteer searcher cut through ice and lowered a camera underwater and could see his red trainer still on his foot. (Autopsy/toxicology also confirmed his BAC at the time of death exceeded limit).

The body was found on an unremarkable stretch of the river, just past a slight bend, a mile or so outside the village, close to where a tree had fallen on its side half in and half outside the water, with branches and undergrowth partially submerged.

Nicola Bulley's family are 'heartbroken' after a body is found

The 'heartbroken' family of Nicola Bulley could be facing an anxious few days as they wait for formal identification of the body found yesterday to take place.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

Good find!

Thank you.

 

[UK Girl]

Of course some do. But most don’t, and walking there, and you highly likely know a woman went missing right there, and the stature and hair choices of the body appear female — that would be how you would talk.

and the clothes the person wore tbh

 

[SuperEye]

The map released today implies there was a police visit today, 19 Feb, at the caravan.

Remains found after 23 days of extensive search for Nicola Bulley

Lancashire Police has come under further fire from critics who have questioned how it took the force 23 days to find a body in the river after mother-of-two Nicola Bulley went missing.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If anyone knows about today's visit, could you please let us know?

IMO this could be lazy journalism - using a map created at an earlier date then adding the location of the body found.

 

[Liverpool86]

Yes, it was found at the same time as the harness. It’s all in Lancs press release on 15 February. It can be found in the accompanying media thread to this thread in transcription form or with link to the video along with the written Lancs Police release, which is also available on Lancs Police website.

Lancashire Constabulary - Nicola Bulley Missing Person Investigation

The latest news and information for Lancashire Constabulary

www.lancashire.police.uk

Ahh thank you for clarifying

 

[Ched]

Mr Faulding said: “The police search teams walked that river every day. Up and down, up and down.

“When we searched that part, she was not laying on the bottom of the river, but we were only there for one day.”

He added: “I was convinced she wasn't in the area from the bench down to the weir. That was where I was 100 per cent in the non-tidal section.

“That was searched extremely thoroughly - backwards, forwards, backwards, forwards.

“The tidal bit past the weir I said to everybody, this is an open book. Down to the sea no-one can guarantee that because it's ebbing and flowing.

“But when we searched that area, she was not laying on the bottom of the river. That's what I'm saying. We would have seen her, absolutely, and that needs to be stated.”

Nicola Bulley dive expert insists he never ruled out a body being found in the river

Peter Faulding spent three days searching the river where the 45-year-old mortgage adviser went missing 23 days ago

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

IMO this could be lazy journalism - using a map created at an earlier date then adding the location of the body found.

It did cross my mind but then thought they would have corrected it by now if that was the case?

 

[modesty blaise]

She was there all this time?

 

[rosieposie121]

Respectfully disagree. He probably raised expectations with the family that she could be alive elsewhere while the Police were saying she probably drowned accidentally. The family are highly vulnerable in this situation and a responsible professional should not speculate. He is not the Police, was not in possession of all the facts but was sounding off and seemed to court publicity in an unhelpful way. MOO.

Yes and I agree, but ultimately he is not to blame. It just worries me how many fingers are being pointed in his direction.. it's alot of pressure for one man. That's all.

 

[JennieM]

Thanks for finding the map and posting this. Very helpful.

Thank you!

 

[ruby925]

10 January

Police and health officials visit Bulley’s home address in Inskip in Lancashire after a report of “concern for welfare”.

No arrests are made in relation to the incident, which was a result of her “issues with alcohol”, but it remains under investigation, police said.

I realise this is MSM, but first time I have seen any reason given for the welfare check in January, pretty sure this was not in any press release by LP. JMO obvs

 

[Marie Bell]

Now that we have a body there will an inquest.
Unlike say if she was never found when after some decent time she would be quietly declared dead via the usual UK legal route in such cases.

The inquest will result in all the details of the lead up to her dissapearance being investigated and revealed - in particular exactly what happened in the 10 Jan visit and any other prior interactions if any. Various parties might not exactly welcome such an investigation.
I reckon they will have a jury or this one to deflect the usual fkwits who will claim the coroner was 'sat upon' to produce the verdict they might do on their own.

Reminds me of several high profile (locally) drink drive crashes. The local paper was full of the family and their friends busy hotly denying speed or drink was involved - not that anyone believed them. Such was the level of invective that the local paper closed and deleted all the comments.
Come the inquest of course when it was revealed the driver was 3 times over the drink limit and driving at twice the signposted speed the friends and family were totally silent.
Inquests have the habit of revealing things many would rather left unsaid.

I don't believe it will be a jury inquest. Those only tend to be when the deceased was in the care or custody of 'the state' or had been so very recently, or had been involved in an incident during which 'the state' was involved.( 'state' generally meaning police or prisons) Whatever contact she'd had with police earlier in the month was too remote (in terms of time) for there to be any question of police failing to breach their duty to protect life. Link to a fairly good, short description of it here

Article 2 Inquests: Protecting Life in Death

Read more about Article 2 Inquests, by Michael Taylor, Solicitor for Clinical Negligence at Hay and Kilner.

www.hay-kilner.co.uk

 

[GeorgeFormby]

Yes and I agree, but ultimately he is not to blame. It just worries me how many fingers are being pointed in his direction.. it's alot of pressure for one man. That's all.

It is a lot of pressure, but he threw himself into the media, and made a lot of big claims. If you throw yourself out there, in the way PF did, then you have to be very careful about what you say, and I don't think he was careful at all. At one point, he appeared to be the spokesperson for everything, and I cannot understand why he would do this, short of wanting publicity for himself, or his company, or book? He put some effort into his search, but that didn't give him the right to give opinions, left, right, and centre. If the next door neighbour helps me jump start my car, its a kind thing to do, but it doesn't give them a right to question why I chose that car, or why I haven't had the alloy wheels smartened up.

 

[JennieM]

I realise this is MSM, but first time I have seen any reason given for the welfare check in January, pretty sure this was not in any press release by LP. JMO obvs

It could well be inaccurate (by the journalist putting the timeline together) or not being edited correctly.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In a text to Sky News' Inzamam Rashid, Paul Ansell said: "No words right now, just agony."

In a statement, Lancashire Police said: "We were called today at 11.36am to reports of a body in the River Wyre, close to Rawcliffe Road."

Nicola Bulley's partner breaks silence after body found in river

THE partner of Nicola Bulley has spoken of his “agony” after a body was found near to where the mum-of-two went missing. In a message to Sky News’ Inzamam Rashid, Paul Ansell said…

www.thesun.co.uk

Peter Faulding, a forensic expert drafted in 10 days after Ms Bulley disappearance, hit back at the idea that he had given false hope to the family. Mr Faulding said : "If I gave them false hope, then what about the police search teams there every day? I was there for three days as a volunteer."

He added today: "I think that would be totally unfair to be honest with you, and I would sling the hook and give up searching." Mr Faulding, leader of underwater search experts Specialist Group International (SGI), began searching the river after being called in by Ms Bulley's family on February 5.

Nicola Bulley diver Peter Faulding denies giving false hope to family

A body was found in the search for the missing mum-of-two on Sunday.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[Furore]

Respectfully disagree. He probably raised expectations with the family that she could be alive elsewhere while the Police were saying she probably drowned accidentally. The family are highly vulnerable in this situation and a responsible professional should not speculate. He is not the Police, was not in possession of all the facts but was sounding off and seemed to court publicity in an unhelpful way. MOO.

Yeah he made a song and dance about her not being in the water, a perp being involved, and offered to search for deposition sites….

I mean there’s something odd there. Not an ounce of humility. He didn’t consider the family in that overconfidence. He wanted to be the One True Voice throughout this ordeal.

 

[Deleted member 320164]

Oh how differently we interpret things. I assumed the later menopause/alcohol revelation was to possibly explain depression and suicide.

And that is precisely why it was so stupid of the police to release that information in that way.

 

[Ad2817]

DM reporting it was the body of a blonde haired female tangled in the reeds .

“But two walkers spotted the body of a blonde woman tangled in reeds on Lancashire’s River Wyre before noon yesterday”

Nicola Bulley's family are 'heartbroken' after a body is found

 

[rosieposie121]

In a text to Sky News' Inzamam Rashid, Paul Ansell said: "No words right now, just agony."

In a statement, Lancashire Police said: "We were called today at 11.36am to reports of a body in the River Wyre, close to Rawcliffe Road."

Nicola Bulley's partner breaks silence after body found in river

THE partner of Nicola Bulley has spoken of his “agony” after a body was found near to where the mum-of-two went missing. In a message to Sky News’ Inzamam Rashid, Paul Ansell said…

www.thesun.co.uk

Peter Faulding, a forensic expert drafted in 10 days after Ms Bulley disappearance, hit back at the idea that he had given false hope to the family. Mr Faulding said : "If I gave them false hope, then what about the police search teams there every day? I was there for three days as a volunteer."

He added today: "I think that would be totally unfair to be honest with you, and I would sling the hook and give up searching." Mr Faulding, leader of underwater search experts Specialist Group International (SGI), began searching the river after being called in by Ms Bulley's family on February 5.

Nicola Bulley diver Peter Faulding denies giving false hope to family

A body was found in the search for the missing mum-of-two on Sunday.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Why oh why would sky news be texting with PA asking for thoughts at such an agonizing time.. there is just no justifying that level of low.