Bumped for the map. It doesn't show here, the OP is #470 on this thread, map of enclave and location of property, 2 google earth images. Can be seen here by clicking on attachments, above.
Or they could have been coached, but didn’t quite get it right, IYKWIM.
I stand corrected (confident your attribution is accurate). In nearly every other state that would be distinct from "murder" and described as a degree of manslaughter or negligent homicide. For it to be folded into second degree murder suggests a pretty rigorous definition for "extremely reckless actions". I still think the charge will be reduced further even if no migrant shell casings are found.
Those fees would have been paid in Mexico and even if the shooting victim was engaged in tax evasion, FCC violations and other white collar crime those aren't on the short list of Arizona crimes it's legal to use deadly force to prevent. Even weapon violations and reckless endangerment are only supporting arguments to a claim that he had reason to fear for his life.
How would they know if it was illegal immigration before they shoot? And would they then also be able to shoot at American citizens or green card holders?
I can't figure out how to research if that road, E Sagebrush, adjacent to his house and dividing his property is public land. IIRC in that realtor post describing his property it says "dead end road". And I say "whose road?". What if it is public, and they were shot AT on public property, and Kelly was indiscriminately shooting OVER public property? In Alaska you can pretty much shoot away at distant cans or bottles or at varmints on your own property, but you'll get in HUGE trouble shooting from or over a public thoroughfare. Not to mention killing someone on the other side of the public road, even if it is your property over there.
Did he kill a man by shooting over a public road? Why else would Kino Springs agree to "expeditiously" provide electricity to him if he is not by a public road? Look at the map his house is practically, nearly in town. No way could he have shot to the N, the W, or the S without shooting over that road, imo
Arizona rancher, 73, who shot trespassing migrant released on $1M bond with help of Christian group
Christian fundraising site steps up after takes down pages for elderly AZ rancher charge with first-degree murderwww.bizpacreview.com
VERMILION MOUNTAIN RANCH
Vermilion Mountain Ranch is a must see property. This absolutely beautiful ranch includes 169.5 +/- acres of native grass lands with varied terrain and vegetation. It is a very picturesque setting witwww.landwatch.com
AZ Rancher Accused of Murder Claims He Fired Warning Shots, Lawyer Says
Counsel for the Arizona rancher held in the shooting death of a Mexican migrant claims self-defense, asks the court to reduce or eliminate bond.www.drovers.com
Victim in Kino Springs shooting identified as Nogales, Sonora man
The Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s Office said Friday that it had tentatively identified the man who was shot and killed Monday in the Kino Springs area as Gabriel Cuen Buitimea,www.nogalesinternational.com
1.) Outline of ranch
2.) Call came in that body was found by Sagebrush Rd
rbbm for focusThere is no proof that the murdered victim was engaged in violent activities. There is a coordinated effort to take the focus off the accused murderer. There is no proof of the group carrying ak47s, pointing them at Kelly or requiring him to return fire. We don't even know if women and children were along.
"Multiple U.S. Border Patrol sources told NewsNation that Kelly had a reputation among the smugglers as someone who fires his rifle off when undocumented individuals are on his property."
Arizona rancher’s charge reduced; migrant recounts shooting
One of the victims told the state that he had crossed the border six or seven times prior to this attempt on Jan 30, when the shooting took place.www.newsnationnow.com
Mr. Kelly was sitting on his property.... a grandiose, spectacularly-failed tourism project. The documents were posted here on this same thread yesterday. No explanation for why he bought property so close to the border, when there have been problems for so long.
This morning diagrams were posted of the fenced area enclosing the tiny enclave he lives in, the fenced are which includes the house and barn.
Mr Kelly wrote a book, available on Amazon, which includes his attitudes towards immigrants.
He just miscalculated this time, imo, and murdered a man by accident. But since he is charged with shooting him in the back, hard to seek forgiveness. So now, an elaborate effort must be made to somehow make it the victim's own misfortune.
The focus of the case is the alleged murderer, the proof that will be presented against him, his motives, his history with shooting when immigrants pass by, his known, published, attitudes regarding immigrants, the pressures he likely endures since his planned business failed & the significant loss of value in his land.
Imo
If a person has a group of armed men on their property I doubt they would be concerned about status. That situation would definitely put a person on high alert at the very least. This is 170 acres on the outskirts of town. It’s not a walkable area in an urban setting. No reason to be walking there. imo
Where are you getting this information that Mr Kelly was shooting across a public road?
My impression is that if he had the BP Ranch Liaison on speed dial, it might have been frequent?
well I just posted the map showing how extensive E Sagebrush road is within his property.
