Recovered/Located UK - Cardiff - 3 Women & 2 Men Missing, leaving nightclub approx 2am, Newport, 4 March 2023

[UK Girl]

Pure speculation but perhaps the plan was to party at the caravan but all told to leave, by which point the driver, if sober earlier, could have been under the influence. Being miles away from home, the expense of a 7 seater taxi along with inconvenience of vehicle retrieval later could have created an error in judgement.

The investigation aspect, I'm not sure on the law but perhaps something along the lines of Duty of Care of site staff to alerted police or provided a taxi/alternate accommodation???

if other guests/owners reported a noise say security would have to deal with it and thats if they hadnt argued with neighbours also. Depending on what happens the Police can help to escort them off the site if needed.

 

[JennieM]

I didn't realise the caravan park was so far away from the bar.

 

[bringmeacupoft]

I didn't realise the caravan park was so far away from the bar.

Yes it’s a long way to go to carry on a party…..

 

[JennieM]

Yes it’s a long way to go to carry on a party…..

Unless they intended to stay there but because of the 'altercation' they moved on?

 

[JennieM]

sorry @User1111
just saw you already mentioned this

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[rightsaidfred]

6th person may have information about the driver that would indicate a criminal element to the evening.

If the driver lived they may not want their friend prosecuted.

If the driver died they may not want to speak ill of the dead / tarnish their memory.

They may also have a generally poor attitude towards the police, and not want to snitch. Such feelings often run deep and intergenerationally. <modsnip: sleuthing family>

Lots of reasons the 6th person might not want to come forward. Not saying I agree with those reasons, just that that's what could be going through their mind.

MOO.

 

[JennieM]

6th person may have information about the driver that would indicate a criminal element to the evening.

If the driver lived they may not want their friend prosecuted.

If the driver died they may not want to speak ill of the dead / tarnish their memory.

They may also have a generally poor attitude towards the police, and not want to snitch. Such feelings often run deep and intergenerationally. <modsnip: sleuthing family>

Lots of reasons the 6th person might not want to come forward. Not saying I agree with those reasons, just that that's what could be going through their mind.

MOO.

I think you've summed it up perfectly.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes it’s a long way to go to carry on a party…..

I read in an article that they drove about 85 miles that night, with all of the comings and goings.

Cardiff crash victims drove 85 miles before tragedy on night out

Two of the crash victims had shared a Snapchat post of themselves together just hours before the deadly crash, and CCTV footage showed the group inside the car at around 2am

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[rightsaidfred]

Pure speculation but perhaps the plan was to party at the caravan but all told to leave, by which point the driver, if sober earlier, could have been under the influence. Being miles away from home, the expense of a 7 seater taxi along with inconvenience of vehicle retrieval later could have created an error in judgement.

The investigation aspect, I'm not sure on the law but perhaps something along the lines of Duty of Care of site staff to alerted police or provided a taxi/alternate accommodation???

I've done my fair share of pint pulling in the sort of establishment where people get very drunk at times, and get asked to leave.

It never once occurred to us that we might have a duty of care to that extent, and I don't think they do. Certainly if someone is unwell you would offer to call an ambulance, and if someone needed a taxi then you could call one (doubt that happens often now, with the advent of Uber). But pay for their taxi? Absolutely not.

Establishments have a duty of care to all their guests, but that doesn't extend to absolving guests of personal responsibility.

 

[UK Girl]

I've done my fair share of pint pulling in the sort of establishment where people get very drunk at times, and get asked to leave.

It never once occurred to us that we might have a duty of care to that extent, and I don't think they do. Certainly if someone is unwell you would offer to call an ambulance, and if someone needed a taxi then you could call one (doubt that happens often now, with the advent of Uber). But pay for their taxi? Absolutely not.

Establishments have a duty of care to all their guests, but that doesn't extend to absolving guests of personal responsibility.

to be fair those girls had parents who I am sure would have picked them up had they rang them ...they didnt know the guys they didnt need to stay with them to get back from the park....the club were not responsible for them.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

An altercation might explain why one of the girls left their handbag and phone behind. Her mum somehow ended up with the bag, not sure if it was left at the caravan park or somewhere else, but we knew early on she was without her bag/phone/money.

 

[wary]

Without a suggestion a crime has been committed, and without knowing they want to talk to him, is there really any obligation on him to approach the police?

We also don’t KNOW that the person in question is obsessed with social media, right?

 

[UK Girl]

An altercation might explain why one of the girls left their handbag and phone behind. Her mum somehow ended up with the bag, not sure if it was left at the caravan park or somewhere else, but we knew early on she was without her bag/phone/money.

I actually thought that was left in the social club for some reason

 

[JennieM]

An altercation might explain why one of the girls left their handbag and phone behind. Her mum somehow ended up with the bag, not sure if it was left at the caravan park or somewhere else, but we knew early on she was without her bag/phone/money.

If that's true, it would have been quite an altercation then for a girl to leave her handbag and phone behind!

 

[Seni]

I think they were left at the night club as well as the girl's car?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I think they were left at the night club as well as the girl's car?

I’m not sure! The car was left there (makes sense if drinking) but why leave a bag there, or anywhere? Younger people are practically surgically attached to their phones. Odd.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Also, how did we even hear about the sixth man being dropped off. Another story that I think was doing the rounds before they were found. So who knew about him and told the press?

 

[JennieM]

Sophie and her mum spoke before she underwent surgery and was subsequently sedated.

She revealed that her daughter was 'conscious some of the time' in the car after it ran off the A48 in Cardiff and had 'called out but no one was close enough to hear her.'

She said: 'I feel terrible for the families of Eve and Darcy, they were all best friends and had known each other since they were small', adding the only people who knew what happened were her daughter and the other survivor Shane, who only met the girls for the first time on Friday night.

I wonder whether Sophie and Shane, in good time, can share the 6th person's identity with the police.

Bank worker who survived car crash 'unrecognisable', her mother says

Sophie Russon, 20, (pictured) was sedated in hospital after going through life-saving surgery from a fatal crash in Cardiff, which led to a bleed on her brain.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

Also, how did we even hear about the sixth man being dropped off. Another story that I think was doing the rounds before they were found. So who knew about him and told the press?

Was the 6th person on the CCTV the police had?? I remember there were some questions in this thread whether the footage is from before or after the 6th person was dropped off.

 

[Amonet]

I would hazard a guess that they might have been drinking as a group of six/left the club as a car of six and seen on CCTC.

The security officers at the caravan park might also have counted how many people were in the car.