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SouthAussie said:
I dare say that most of us here are mothers/parents. And are doing or have done our best to raise our children. We have different opinions (and ways) is all.

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Absolutely. The same as all children are different and the way they play can be different. We can’t make a factual statement on the way he plays means he was playing with someone else. Or my child never spoke with imaginary people so William wasn’t either. I’m also not sure of the relevance of whether he was playing the tiger game or mummy game?
 
Chrissy74 said:
Exactly Sth Aussie thanks. It was reported from the very first day that W went missing around 10:30am. Someone must have given police that time as I can’t imagine such a crucial piece of information being relayed as an assumption, guess, estimate, especially for a missing child. So roughly 10:30am was the time given by the Ffc on that day as being the time W went missing. Not 10am not 10:15am but 10:30am and this was also confirmed by the mfc in his walkthrough “he was here 5min ago, here 5min ago” referring to what the Ffc said to him when returned to the house at 10:35am.

Proving Time has been a huge obstacle in Ws case. the time he went missing, the time Ffc searched for him, the time mfc arrived home, the time Ffc took fgm car to look for W, the time the last photos were taken.
What does that tell you?
The only time we have as fact is the time of the ff prhone call to triple zero at 10:56 and the time police arrived at the house 11:05.

And the “corrected” time stamps on the photos of W are the biggest red flag of all the times. If the original times are correct and I believe they are, then ff had more than enough time to move W from the house to another location. Plenty of time to conceal his body.
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BBM
After re-examination of the timestamp, had the results shown the time had been tampered with, surely we would’ve seen more action on this by now?

If the timestamp was proven to be dodgy, questioning during the Crime Commission would’ve been a perfect opportunity to go after FM for lying about it, yet the only resulting charge was lying about the use of the wooden spoon. That’s telling IMO.
 
SouthAussie said:
According to The Australian, it will be on 6th & 7th November 2023, with a mention in September.

It has been pushed back due to alleged assault charges to be heard in September. His (FD) lawyer said they predict 'difficulties' during the assault charges hearing in Parramatta, and would like some space between the two hearings. The judge obliged.

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I think the Lying Charges are being heard at The Downing Center and the other alleged assault etc cases are being heard at Parramatta Court…

This is an older article

William’s foster father, 55, has pleaded not guilty to common assault and stalk and intimidate and is subject to an apprehended violence order stopping him approaching the child.

Their cases were due to be heard next week but have been postponed until September 4 at Parramatta Local Court for a number of reasons including the late service of the police brief of evidence on the defence.
(Now, as per your above article, delayed until 6 and 7 November)

So assault charges are Parramatta Court in Nov.


and

William‘s foster father, <modsnip> is also charged with lying to the NSW Crime Commission and that case is listed for a mention at Downing Centre Local Court on February 13. He has pleaded not guilty.



I think this is the court numbers for FF NSWCC Lying Charge are as follows>

Case number (2022/00289241) you will find the following:
The case went to court for bail review and mention (other) on the 15th March.
It was down for further mention (Police) on 22 March.
The hearing is set for 4th and 5th April.

Online Registry - Landing Page

onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au



IMO
 
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Lemony said:
BBM
After re-examination of the timestamp, had the results shown the time had been tampered with, surely we would’ve seen more action on this by now?

If the timestamp was proven to be dodgy, questioning during the Crime Commission would’ve been a perfect opportunity to go after FM for lying about it, yet the only resulting charge was lying about the use of the wooden spoon. That’s telling IMO.
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Lemony said:
BBM
After re-examination of the timestamp, had the results shown the time had been tampered with, surely we would’ve seen more action on this by now?

If the timestamp was proven to be dodgy, questioning during the Crime Commission would’ve been a perfect opportunity to go after FM for lying about it, yet the only resulting charge was lying about the use of the wooden spoon. That’s telling IMO.
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No not necessarily.

Digital forensics is a highly specialised field of forensics and is probably the most challenging forensic evidence to prove in a court of law. There are so many variables.


What questions were asked by the CC no one really knows. But bringing her in for questioning was initially for the purpose of finding out what happened to W and then moved on to Ls assault.
 
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Chrissy74 said:
What questions were asked by the CC no one really knows. But bringing her in for questioning was initially for the purpose of finding out what happened to W and then moved on to Ls assault.
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No we don’t …. But FM must have admitted some things…. ???

Words from Magistrate Moody … during her delivery of the Not Guilty verdict..

However, given she made such prompt submissions to serious allegations contrary to her interests I cannot discount the possibility she was mistaken and did not deliberately lie when she asked that question.”

So far, we have no way of knowing if these allegations are beyond what the charges are for…. ??? We have no idea how much of CC recordings were played during the hearing.


imo
 
SLouTh said:
I think the Lying Charges are being heard at The Downing Center and the other alleged assault etc cases are being heard at Parramatta Court…

This is an older article

William’s foster father, 55, has pleaded not guilty to common assault and stalk and intimidate and is subject to an apprehended violence order stopping him approaching the child.

Their cases were due to be heard next week but have been postponed until September 4 at Parramatta Local Court for a number of reasons including the late service of the police brief of evidence on the defence.
(Now, as per your above article, delayed until 6 and 7 November)

So assault charges are Parramatta Court in Nov.


and

William‘s foster father .... is also charged with lying to the NSW Crime Commission and that case is listed for a mention at Downing Centre Local Court on February 13. He has pleaded not guilty.



I think this is the court numbers for FF NSWCC Lying Charge are as follows>

Case number (2022/00289241) you will find the following:
The case went to court for bail review and mention (other) on the 15th March.
It was down for further mention (Police) on 22 March.
The hearing is set for 4th and 5th April.

Online Registry - Landing Page

onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw.gov.au



IMO
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I will explain how I read it. (I agree Parramatta for the assault charges, and Downing Centre for the lying charges.)


Your linked DT article (dated 19 Jan 2023) speaks of the Parramatta court postponing the assault matter which was listed for "next week". Postponed until 4th September.
Last sentence in the DT article says FD is also charged with lying to the NSWCC and that case is (was) listed for for 13th Feb 2023 at Downing Centre.

My linked Australian article (dated 13 Feb 2023, the date FD was supposed to appear at Downing Centre on lying charges) had that hearing now pushed to 6th and 7th Nov.
It also says that both FP are to face a hearing in September over the assault charges.

Hopefully you can access the Australian article to see what I mean.

I think the case to be heard in April is the auction/bidding thing?
 
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SouthAussie said:
I will explain how I read it. (I agree Parramatta for the assault charges, and Downing Centre for the lying charges.)


Your linked DT article (dated 19 Jan 2023) speaks of the Parramatta court postponing the assault matter which was listed for "next week". Postponed until 4th September.
Last sentence in the DT article says FD is also charged with lying to the NSWCC and that case is (was) listed for for 13th Feb 2023 at Downing Centre.

My linked Australian article (dated 13 Feb 2023, the date FD was supposed to appear at Downing Centre on lying charges) had that hearing now pushed to 6th and 7th Nov.
It also says that both FP parents are to face a hearing in September over the assault charges.

Hopefully you can access the Australian article to see what I mean.
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Yes I do agree SA it does say that… but I am wondering if there is a mistake in the reporting???
Did you enter the case number on the Lawlink site?? <modsnip>
 
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Chrissy74 said:
Y

And if there are charges beyond what the public have been told.
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Do you mean already charged?? I would imagine we would have heard that from media and a Police Presser if someone has been charged for William’s disappearance??? It would be a pretty big deal… IMO

I am not sure one can have “pending charges“ in Aus?? Either you are charged or you are not …. IMO

Unless you know more?? Pray, please do tell …..as I think we all want this case solved… IMO
 
SLouTh said:
Do you mean already charged?? I would imagine we would have heard that from media and a Police Presser if someone has been charged for William’s disappearance??? It would be a pretty big deal… IMO

I am not sure one can have “pending charges“ in Aus?? Either you are charged or you are not …. IMO

Unless you know more?? Pray, please do tell …..as I think we all want this case solved… IMO
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Could there be more to the mfc charges for lying to the CC, other than that relating to “the girl”?
 
SLouTh said:
Oh…. Ok Thanks SA I just saw this …. (Edit?)

If that is the case, then we will be waiting for quite some time…
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I just looked up the given details for the auction/bidding thing, and the hearing is supposed to be 21st July 2023 in Parramatta. So I guess it's not that.

Possibly a different suppressed name with common initials. It just seems a bit odd, to me, to push hearing dates way further into the year, and then bring them way forward again. I can't imagine the defence requesting that. And I don't know why a judge would order that in their jam-packed court schedule. But maybe.

As you say, I guess it will all become clear in time.


William Tyrrell’s foster parents to face hearing over fraud charges
 
SouthAussie said:
I just looked up the given details for the auction/bidding thing, and the hearing is supposed to be 21st July 2023 in Parramatta. So I guess it's not that.

Possibly a different suppressed name with common initials. It just seems a bit odd, to me, to push hearing dates way further into the year, and then bring them way forward again. I can't imagine the defence requesting that. And I don't know why a judge would order that in their jam-packed court schedule. But maybe.

As you say, I guess it will all become clear in time.


William Tyrrell’s foster parents to face hearing over fraud charges
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Thanks so much for that !!!

Yes, nodding head here…. Time will tell …

I was wondering if they may want the actual NSWCC charges wrapped up ???
The other charges involves tapes etc but not really the CC themselves….
But other than that …. I have no clue ….
imo
 
Chrissy74 said:
Could there be more to the mfc charges for lying to the CC, other than that relating to “the girl”?
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Well there are two charges …. So it’s hopeful that more information will be revealed ….for sleuthing purposes …..

www.abc.net.au

Secret recordings to be played at hearing as William Tyrrell's foster father denies giving false evidence

The foster father of missing boy William Tyrrell faces a two-day hearing in court after pleading not guilty to two charges of knowingly giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au


And so far all Police have said is “something we can prove”

The 55-year-old, who detectives claim has 'lied about something we can prove',

William Tyrrell's foster father charged by Unsolved Homicide squad detectives

William Tyrrell's foster father was charged by two detectives from the Unsolved Homicide team - including a senior strike force detective- with knowingly…
news.knowledia.com news.knowledia.com

So it could be lying about the alleged assault, and that the FM had told him about it, but in the interest of the case … it may be be about two totally different charges ….and we will get to hear more info from the CC hearing…

IMO
 
SouthAussie said:
I just looked up the given details for the auction/bidding thing, and the hearing is supposed to be 21st July 2023 in Parramatta. So I guess it's not that.

Possibly a different suppressed name with common initials. It just seems a bit odd, to me, to push hearing dates way further into the year, and then bring them way forward again. I can't imagine the defence requesting that. And I don't know why a judge would order that in their jam-packed court schedule. But maybe.

As you say, I guess it will all become clear in time.


William Tyrrell’s foster parents to face hearing over fraud charges
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I am not able to follow quite well:
I had understood, 2 certain court sessions shouldn't closely follow one another. Now, are they close together or not? o_O
 
FromGermany1 said:
I am not able to follow quite well:
I had understood, 2 certain court sessions shouldn't closely follow one another. Now, are they close together or not? o_O
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From what I understand, from the MSM linked in the recent posts, it goes like this:

21st July - alleged dummy bid/auction case (in Parramatta court)
4th September - alleged assault case (in Parramatta court)
6th & 7th November - alleged lying to the NSWCC case (in Downing Centre court)


The April dates that have been mentioned (due to the defendant's initials) may very well not apply to this case. For example, I can think of another current Aussie case - in NSW - involving a child where the defendant's initials are the same as William's foster father's initials, and that (different) defendant is up on a number of current charges. They are common initials.

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Chrissy74 said:
And if there are charges beyond what the public have been told.
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Chrissy74 said:
Could there be more to the mfc charges for lying to the CC, other than that relating to “the girl”?
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SLouTh said:
Case number (2022/00289241) you will find the following:
The case went to court for bail review and mention (other) on the 15th March.
It was down for further mention (Police) on 22 March.
The hearing is set for 4th and 5th April.
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Is it possible these things are related? Only time will tell … Unless you can expand @Chrissy74 ?

The other well known Aus case with similar initials, appears to yet again, have different cases numbers …

I guess there is no chance they would hear the two NSWCC Charges separately??? Or could they? For purposes of the investigation???

www.abc.net.au

Secret recordings to be played at hearing as William Tyrrell's foster father denies giving false evidence

The foster father of missing boy William Tyrrell faces a two-day hearing in court after pleading not guilty to two charges of knowingly giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
All IMO
 
Couldbe said:
For what it is worth, the following is herewith:

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...n/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

“The photographs, tendered as exhibits to the inquest into his disappearance, show William with his foster grandmother and older sister surrounded by books and toys on the veranda of the Kendall home from which he vanished.

He can be seen playing with dice and leaning forward in his Spider-Man suit.

The five photographs, which include the iconic last one of him “roaring” for the camera, were shot over two minutes and 39 seconds.

But the first three, in which William is photographed from more of a distance, were taken within a 23-second period, allegedly by William’s foster mother.

For the next two photographs, the foster mother appears to have been crouching down in front of William, who is captured with his left hand on his left knee and what appears to be dice in his right hand.

Fifteen seconds later, he is roaring into the camera.”
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It may have ‘appeared to be a Dice’ to Candace, but it doesn’t appear that way to me
 
Chrissy74 said:
‎William Tyrrell - Nowhere Child: William Tyrrell update on Apple Podcasts

In CO podcast Where’s WT episode “WT update” @ 12:28 L describes to police what happened that morning just before W went missing.

L then goes on to describe to police how W was playing like a tiger kneeling on the ground and roaring and then goes around there (I’m assuming L is pointing to the grassy area at the side of the house). “Do you know why W went around THERE?” L does not respond to the question. Police then say to L “ so you don’t know?” L replies “No”.

Police ask L “what happened when W went around there, were mummy and nana there? L replies “I don’t know”.
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Thanks for posting this refresher Chrissy74.
its interesting how different interpretations can be. I took the Police question ’were Mummy and Nana there ?’ to mean ‘Were they around there where William went’
and imo, L’s answer of ‘I don’t know’ would appear to be quite reasonable
 
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