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June 8, 2023 rbbm.
''The Pennsylvania native is seen clutching a copy of “The Handmaid’s Tale,” Atwood’s best-selling 1985 dystopian novel set in a patriarchal, white supremacist society in which women known as “handmaids” are forced to produce children for the ruling class.''

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Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger spotted at feminist author Margaret Atwood’s 2018 lecture

Kohberger, now 28, is spotted front and center at the 2018 event at Northampton Community College.
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Kohberger, now 28, is spotted front and center at the 2018 event at Northampton Community College.Northampton Community College
 
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<modsnip: quoted post was snipped> Chapter 28.
Page #118

''Summary: Chapter 28​


''Offred remembers the fall of the United States and the creation of Gilead. First, the president was shot and the members of Congress were killed with machine guns. Then the army declared a state of emergency, telling everyone to remain calm. Islamic fanatics were falsely blamed for the execution of the entire government. The Constitution was suspended. In shock, people stayed at home and watched their televisions. At this point, Moira warned Offred that something terrible was going to happen. Slowly, the newspapers were censored and roadblocks appeared, and soon everyone had to carry an Identipass. There was a crackdown on smut of all kinds: the “Pornomarts” shut down, and the “Feels-on-Wheels vans” and “Bun-dle Buggies” disappeared.''


''When she reached her home, Offred called Moira and learned that women could no longer legally work or hold property. Their bank accounts were transferred to their husbands or the nearest male family member. Luke tried to console her, but Offred wondered if he was already patronizing her. She realizes that the army men she saw were not members of the United States Army. They were wearing different uniforms. In the weeks and months that followed, there were protests and marches, but the army cracked down hard on dissent and the protesting stopped. Offred and Luke never joined any of the protests, because they were afraid for their lives and for the life of their daughter. Remembering the marches makes Offred remember earlier protests in which her mother was involved. She remembers being an adolescent and being ashamed of her mother’s activism.''
 
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Chapter 28.

''Summary: Chapter 28​


''Offred remembers the fall of the United States and the creation of Gilead. First, the president was shot and the members of Congress were killed with machine guns. Then the army declared a state of emergency, telling everyone to remain calm. Islamic fanatics were falsely blamed for the execution of the entire government. The Constitution was suspended. In shock, people stayed at home and watched their televisions. At this point, Moira warned Offred that something terrible was going to happen. Slowly, the newspapers were censored and roadblocks appeared, and soon everyone had to carry an Identipass. There was a crackdown on smut of all kinds: the “Pornomarts” shut down, and the “Feels-on-Wheels vans” and “Bun-dle Buggies” disappeared.


In Offred’s pre-Gilead days, paper money had been replaced by Compucards that accessed bank accounts directly. One day, after the fall of the government, Offred tried to use her Compucard in the local store, and her number was declared invalid. She went to her job at the library, called her bank, and got a recording stating that the lines were overloaded. Later that afternoon, her boss appeared looking disheveled and distraught. He told Offred and her female coworkers that he had to fire them, because it was the law. The women had to leave within ten minutes. Two men wearing army uniforms and carrying machine guns watched over the procedure.

''When she reached her home, Offred called Moira and learned that women could no longer legally work or hold property. Their bank accounts were transferred to their husbands or the nearest male family member. Luke tried to console her, but Offred wondered if he was already patronizing her. She realizes that the army men she saw were not members of the United States Army. They were wearing different uniforms. In the weeks and months that followed, there were protests and marches, but the army cracked down hard on dissent and the protesting stopped. Offred and Luke never joined any of the protests, because they were afraid for their lives and for the life of their daughter. Remembering the marches makes Offred remember earlier protests in which her mother was involved. She remembers being an adolescent and being ashamed of her mother’s activism.''

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Thanks @dotr I saw this as well. I am no expert, but doesn't the page numbers on the digital version differ from the paper version? MOO
 
NyxNY said:
Thanks @dotr I saw this as well. I am no expert, but doesn't the page numbers on the digital version differ from the paper version? MOO
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Quite possibly the pages differ, but assuming the chapter more or less stays the same, imo.
ETA- Check poster, iamshadow21
below for more accurate info. regarding the pages in the book..
 
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Popping up, yet again, as a former student of library sciences in my sordid, scandalous youth, to remind folks that you need to know exactly which edition of a book someone has to accurately know what is on that page. Those page counts will vary wildly between hardcover, paperback (large format, trade, mass market), and digital, and between US, UK, International and foreign language editions, large print editions, etc.

A book like The Handmaid's Tale that has been in continuous print since 1985 will have had many, many editions. Just a slightly larger or smaller font or a different font, different formatting, an author foreword/afterword or a foreword/afterword from a notable other author or other figure, a special edition with illustrations, and so on will sometimes dramatically alter the page count.

Goodreads has 510 editions listed, so far, for The Handmaid's Tale and that's probably missing a few and will only go up the longer it's in print.

Happy hunting.

(If it helps, the book he's holding is definitely paperback and the cover most strongly resembles that of the Anchor Books edition from 1998 onwards. The black circle in the top left corner is, IMO, either a sticker, a 'tie-in' logo like 'as seen on tv', or maybe some kind of book club branding.)

MOO
 
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iamshadow21 said:
Popping up, yet again, as a former student of library sciences in my sordid, scandalous youth, to remind folks that you need to know exactly which edition of a book someone has to accurately know what is on that page. Those page counts will vary wildly between hardcover, paperback (large format, trade, mass market), and digital, and between US, UK, International and foreign language editions, large print editions, etc.

A book like The Handmaid's Tale that has been in continuous print since 1985 will have had many, many editions. Just a slightly larger or smaller font or a different font, different formatting, an author foreword/afterword or a foreword/afterword from a notable other author or other figure, a special edition with illustrations, and so on will sometimes dramatically alter the page count.

Goodreads has 510 editions listed, so far, for The Handmaid's Tale and that's probably missing a few and will only go up the longer it's in print.

Happy hunting.

(If it helps, the book he's holding is definitely paperback and the cover most strongly resembles that of the Anchor Books edition from 1998 onwards. The black circle in the top left corner is either a sticker, a 'tie-in' logo like 'as seen on tv', or maybe some kind of book club branding.)

MOO
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Thank you! I remember this discussion in earlier threads, but I couldn't remember who it was. I should have known it was you.
 
NyxNY said:
Your username should just be "Plethora"
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'Buried in Books' would be appropriate... it's been some years since I counted, but I think I have at least 3K, and I haven't stopped buying them.

Funnily enough, I don't own The Handmaid's Tale, though I have read it.

I know people feel ambiguous or even dubious about what a book about this case may look like, since we know at least two are in the works. I have hope that at least one of the books produced in the future will be something I feel comfortable buying and putting on my shelf. I know Ann Rule wasn't some saint or anything, but I think she could have done a good treatment of this case. I don't know how other people are going to handle it, whether it will walk that fine line between humanising and centering the victims without shying away from what was done to them. I may have a lot of books, but I'm pretty discerning about what true crime I give money to. True crime is never a comfortable subject matter, but there are definitely some that are more on the exploitative, torture p..n side of the spectrum, and the violence of this crime combined with the victim demographic is kind of a perfect storm of elements to spawn some of the worst examples of the genre.

MOO
 
Nila Aella said:
Office of Civil Rights Investigation and what they do at U of I

www.uidaho.edu

Civil Rights & Investigations

The Office of Civil Rights & Investigations focuses on practices that make all members of the University of Idaho community feel welcome, wanted, accepted, respected and supported.
www.uidaho.edu www.uidaho.edu

The Office of Civil Rights & Investigations (OCRI) is responsible for ensuring compliance with federal and state laws related to discrimination or harassment based on a protected class. This includes retaliation when engaging in a protected process. We undertake necessary investigations and prepare recommendations and written reports. University of Idaho employees have a responsibility to report cases of discrimination and harassment.
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I wonder if this has something to do with the fraternities or sororities the Idaho students belonged to?
 
Nila Aella said:

These are the initiatives of OCRI​

Complaint Investigation​

Investigate discrimination and harassment complaints, provide written reports and determine action to be taken.

Title IX Coordination​

Monitor gender equity in all UI terms and conditions of employment, educational and co-curricular opportunities. Includes sexual discrimination and sexual harassment prevention and complaint response.

Education and Outreach​

Information and educational outreach on arc of issues regarding human rights, access, inclusion, diversity dimensions, equity and equal opportunity.

Universitywide Policy & Procedure Review​

Embed diversity practices systemically

And Title IX

OCRI and TItle IX

Title IX is a part of the Education Amendments of 1972 and is a comprehensive federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in any federally funded education program or activity, regardless of status. Title IX applies to employees and students alike. Examples of the types of discrimination that are covered under Title IX include the failure to provide equal opportunity in athletics, discrimination based on pregnancy, and sexual harassment. Sexual harassment is a form of discrimination and sexual assault is the most pernicious form of sexual harassment.

Title IX provides protection for students in connection with all academic, educational, extra-curricular, athletic, and other programs of the school. This includes U of I-sponsored or U of I-related activities (off-campus trips, sororities and fraternities affiliated with school, etc.). This also affects students during academic breaks and summer. It may also cover activity that occurs off school grounds if there is carry-over into the educational setting (e.g., if a student is sexually assaulted off-campus by another student and must continue to interact with or see the other student on campus). All U of I students are expected to abide by the Student Code of Conduct as long as they are students at the U of I. The code applies to any location or any time of the year to current, accepted or enrolled students.

But they do other things too:
Code of Conduct/retaliation/discrimination/violent threatening behavior etc....this page has links for all those topics

www.uidaho.edu

Policy and Procedure

The University of Idaho has a policy of nondiscrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, sexual orientation, disability, or status as a Vietnam era veteran. This policy applies to all programs, services, and facilities, and includes, but is not limited to...
www.uidaho.edu www.uidaho.edu

MOO
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IOW, this is their Title IX (federal law compliance) office. While they do "other things," all of the things are organized around Title IX (gender and sex discrimination and harassment; protected class included disabled persons - although most universities have yet another office in addition to Equity/Diversity Title IX office).

I don't know when this request was made to the U of I OCRI, it could be standard (to make sure that the students had not received threats or even that none of them had "enemies" who thought they had violated university policy in this regard). So many rumors flew in the first month of this case, I can imagine all manner of different scenarios where investigators might at least want to check.

Of course, it's also possible that one of the victims had, in fact, filed some kind of complaint (and the person or persons complained against would naturally have been suspects/worth checking out).

IMO.
 
al66pine said:
snipped for focus @Twistinginthewind Sorry if I bungled my edits of your post. Just wanted to get Shanon Gray's stmt in there.

Is Mr. Gray suggesting that the prosecutor's decision about whether to seek the DP will be BASED ON decedents' families' discussions w prosecutor, i.e., that the prosecutor will poll those families to decide DP or no-DP by MAJORITY VOTE, and that that's how the prosecutor SHOULD decide?

Anyone interpret Gray's stmt along same line? Sometimes I read waaay too much between the lines, and this may be one of them. IDK.

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ID. State Constitution
"Section 22. RIGHTS OF CRIME VICTIMS. A crime victim, as defined by statute, has the following rights:...
"(5) To communicate with the prosecution."

Section 22 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov legislature.idaho.gov

ID Statute
"CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
"CHAPTER 53
"19-5306. RIGHTS OF VICTIM DURING INVESTIGATION, PROSECUTION, AND DISPOSITION OF THE CRIME. (1) Each victim of a criminal or juvenile offense shall be:...
"(f) Afforded the opportunity to communicate with the prosecution in criminal... offenses and be advised of any proposed plea agreement by the prosecuting attorney prior to entering into a plea agreement in criminal ... offenses involving crimes of violence, sex crimes..."
(sbm, to delete ref's to juvie offenses)

Section 19-5306 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov legislature.idaho.gov
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I read it the same way you do; in this instance, Mr. Gray is absolutely incorrect, MOO, as always. I don’t know how things work in Oregon where he practiced previously & he’s still very new to Idaho, but that isn’t how things work here, MOO
 
girlhasnoname said:
Could this be in relation to the notice of Brady Violation or IA review?

JMO
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Anything is possible!

I want to point out I think it’s unlikely because MPD officers are city employees, not University employees. But who knows?

If there was a problem with one of UI’s (contracted) security guards, that might be possible. Except they aren’t sworn LE so I’m not sure Brady or an IA review would apply?

Note: unlike UI, WSU has its own police department.
 
dotr said:
June 8, 2023 rbbm.
''The Pennsylvania native is seen clutching a copy of “The Handmaid’s Tale,” Atwood’s best-selling 1985 dystopian novel set in a patriarchal, white supremacist society in which women known as “handmaids” are forced to produce children for the ruling class.''

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Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger spotted at feminist author Margaret Atwood’s 2018 lecture

Kohberger, now 28, is spotted front and center at the 2018 event at Northampton Community College.
nypost.com nypost.com
Kohberger, now 28, is spotted front and center at the 2018 event at Northampton Community College.Northampton Community College
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Oh wow, he's IS front and center as one of the few males in attendance. How strange, but not.

MOO
 
10ofRods said:
IOW, this is their Title IX (federal law compliance) office. While they do "other things," all of the things are organized around Title IX (gender and sex discrimination and harassment; protected class included disabled persons - although most universities have yet another office in addition to Equity/Diversity Title IX office).

I don't know when this request was made to the U of I OCRI, it could be standard (to make sure that the students had not received threats or even that none of them had "enemies" who thought they had violated university policy in this regard). So many rumors flew in the first month of this case, I can imagine all manner of different scenarios where investigators might at least want to check.

Of course, it's also possible that one of the victims had, in fact, filed some kind of complaint (and the person or persons complained against would naturally have been suspects/worth checking out).

IMO.
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I think it has to do with this most likely: University of Idaho victims' sororities on probation for 'health and safety' violations
 
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