Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #3

[SuziQ]

The teaser for tonights broadcast

http://www.kstp.com/

TONIGHT AT 10:00:
Penn. police find new evidence in an old case that may be connected to the 'Smiley Face Killers'...

 

[Blink34]

I agree, I think the booze is the conduit for other, not how they are ending up dead or dead in water.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I checked with some friends in Ithaca. FWIW, they are not concerned. This case is getting more press than others in the past, but it isn't an uncommon occurrence in Ithaca for a student to drown or otherwise end up dead after a party.
And I repeat: the case is NOT CLOSED. There just isn't much else to be done while awaiting the tox tests.

I would like to know more about this particular statement. Could we get a list or some names to follow up on...the drownings and other causes?

I don't think anyone said the case was actually closed, but basically closed. They have really made their determination as to COD and it does sound like, save the tox screen, their minds are already made up. They should not have drawn their conclusions so quickly until all of the facts were in. The problem is exactly that...LE thinks there isn't anything to do except wait. Wrong! They need a more thorough investigation into what happened leading up to the exact time of his death. They need to look at his computer, who he talked to, and other factors which LE has neglected to do in all of the other cases.

 

[Love_Mama]

ok, call me crazy, but I am going to put this young man as a possible victim in CA, where there has not been any, you will see why-
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/williams-body-death-2005804-police-diego

Dane Chandler Williams
Date Missing: 1/26/08
Date Found 1/29/08

COD: Undetermined
Tox: booze, valium (parents said no prescription) And - quinine? None of which killed him. Had small cuts all over his body
It's mho, that this could be an evolution of our vic profile. He was in water, but found in the alley, dumped there. Let me know your thoughts.

Blink. Interesting you should post this. Dane was a friend of my son.....who is Multimedia Director for Hurley International. Dane was at the Sports show with the rest of the Hurley Crew in San Diego so I was in on this right after Dane went missing. My son was one of the people looking for him, and he said they were even looking in trash bins.

I called Dane's mom right away and told her who I was, and told her that my son was getting a group together to look for him.

My son is 42, and well known in the surfing industry, told me that Dane absolutely did NOT do drugs. Two days later they found him in the alley! I was just devasted. I couldn't belive it. I know the area well, where he was found. I've lived in San Diego for 72 years and I used to live near that area when I was real little. It is now a terrible neighborhood, lots of gangs etc.

My son's first take on who might have killed him is that he might have been picked up by a 'gay' gang. Dane was VERY tall, very handsome, just like a model. I've heard other people say that too. I have no idea... but I do know that is that it would only have taken about 8 to 10 minutes to have taken Dane to the neighborhood where he was found.


Dane would certainly fit into the bright, hard working, nice looking, getting ahead young man as most of these college students were.

By the way......my daughter who is 45 and been a teacher for 14 years...has worked in 3 of the toughest schools in San Diego. She told me today that she remember's seeing grafitti in lots of places near the schools. AND she remember's seeing a number of 'smilie faces"

Hope any of this helps. Maybe I'll get in touch with the two detectives who have been working so long on this case. What do you guy's think!

xxxxxxxooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[Blink34]

LLM-
First let me say how sorry I am that you have a personal tie to one of these cases.
That is excellent information, for sure. I can tell you that due to my own involvement in a former missing person's case, the detectives are aware of WS and it is a resource for them in cases going forward.

I hope you will update us with any other local info you can, this man and his family deserve answers.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The teaser for tonights broadcast

http://www.kstp.com/

TONIGHT AT 10:00:
Penn. police find new evidence in an old case that may be connected to the 'Smiley Face Killers'...

Thanks for the heads up, Suzi. :blowkiss: I will be waiting...impatiently as usual. LOL

 

[shorty0927]

http://media.www.spectatornews.com/...ives.Link.Deaths.Serial.Killers-3364006.shtml

A comment from the story Suzi linked above (with other theories):

"The serial killers mind is in someways not unlike that of our own. Killers want recognition for their "beautiful" work. The problem with this is that being recognized directly prevents them from doing further "work". In this case the smiley face graffiti is the signature.

The detectives mention a link with the word sinsinawa and how that graffiti pointed to the street where they had also murdered. Sadly this is exactly what the serial killer wanted (yes I said this singularly). The one person serial killer is living in or near SinSinawa, WI. This small area of the state is a 4 to 7 hour drive from the majority of these murders.

Any good criminal knows that you never poop in your own backyard, it attracts flies. This serial killer is driving just far enough out of his/her yard to prevent effective cross-jurisdiction co-operation. Even the SinSinawa reference occurred quite outside of the normal killing circle. Of course, this had to. Reveling this word in WI would be almost too risky.

Because this type of murder is so similar to a common type of accident, it will be difficult to catch this killer. Many will simply dismiss all the drownings as accidents even though as many as 10 or 15 are really murders. In the end, all serial killers want to be caught. Wisconsin will soon have another fine serial killer to "brag" about. I just hope they catch the killer before he/she kills again."

 

[dairybest]

I think the locations of the incidents have to be a major factor.
What other common denominators do the locations have?

I was on here earlier today and I responded to your post with one word (I was in a hurry!). The word was “construction” and it has bothered me ever since.

In one of my previous lives I worked for a cabling contractor and we did jobs all over the place and in all types of businesses. This included colleges, hospitals, realtors’ offices, etc.

One of the most remarkable things about that occupation is that people don’t tend to notice you because you are just the common “Joe” doing a common job. That’s one point.

Another point is that I have worked on some big jobs (like at colleges) for a GC (General Contractor) who has pulled in other specialists and Job Shoppers from God doesn’t even know where. (Job Shoppers, if you aren’t familiar with them, are specialized tradesmen who go where the money is. Their area of specialty might be sheetrocking or HVAC or whatever.) These Job Shoppers can blow in from two states away and be there for a week and the next morning they’re running pipe three states away. It is not uncommon for them (sometimes its one person, sometimes its a group) to arrive in a van or panel truck.

Given the forum that I am posting on, How Disturbing Is This? I mean, just the thought…. So please. Someone. Blow this scenerio full of holes.

I mean, I'm on-board with the "monks" for a localized possibility. But, I can't think of any other possibilities for travelers. Who else gets around yet would blend into any locality?

 

[ASU2USC]

I was on here earlier today and I responded to your post with one word (I was in a hurry!). The word was “construction” and it has bothered me ever since.

The shopping center in which the bar that Brian Shaffer (OH, 4/1/06)disappeared from was located in was under construction at the time he disappeared. I have read people's speculations on his thread that maybe his body was encased in concrete, but supposedly cadaver dogs have not found anything among the new construction. So there's at least one with a construction connection.

 

[dairybest]

What makes my stomach churn is that there is always construction. That's why we don't notice it so much.

 

[SuziQ]

The shopping center in which the bar that Brian Shaffer (OH, 4/1/06)disappeared from was located in was under construction at the time he disappeared. I have read people's speculations on his thread that maybe his body was encased in concrete, but supposedly cadaver dogs have not found anything among the new construction. So there's at least one with a construction connection.

That's right it was. An interesting theory since two cameras did not show him leaving the bar.

 

[dairybest]

A lot of these Job Shoppers look like regular family men. They work during the day and then a lot of them hit the bars at night before they go to the hotel. Because they move around so much, many of them could make small talk with anyone.

 

[dairybest]

A student could cross paths with them during the day and then have their guard down when they are out drinking at night. Maybe even accept a ride. God! I want to hurl!

 

[RR0004]

Luthersmama- Just my 2 cents about Ithaca. From what I've heard, kids think it's great fun to drop into the gorge...and yes, drownings do occur. I have never heard of the pond being the sight of a drowning...maybe I'm wrong.

 

[DeltaDawn]

Blink. Interesting you should post this. Dane was a friend of my son.....who is Multimedia Director for Hurley International. Dane was at the Sports show with the rest of the Hurley Crew in San Diego so I was in on this right after Dane went missing. My son was one of the people looking for him, and he said they were even looking in trash bins.

I called Dane's mom right away and told her who I was, and told her that my son was getting a group together to look for him.

My son is 42, and well known in the surfing industry, told me that Dane absolutely did NOT do drugs. Two days later they found him in the alley! I was just devasted. I couldn't belive it. I know the area well, where he was found. I've lived in San Diego for 72 years and I used to live near that area when I was real little. It is now a terrible neighborhood, lots of gangs etc.

My son's first take on who might have killed him is that he might have been picked up by a 'gay' gang. Dane was VERY tall, very handsome, just like a model. I've heard other people say that too. I have no idea... but I do know that is that it would only have taken about 8 to 10 minutes to have taken Dane to the neighborhood where he was found.


Dane would certainly fit into the bright, hard working, nice looking, getting ahead young man as most of these college students were.

By the way......my daughter who is 45 and been a teacher for 14 years...has worked in 3 of the toughest schools in San Diego. She told me today that she remember's seeing grafitti in lots of places near the schools. AND she remember's seeing a number of 'smilie faces"

Hope any of this helps. Maybe I'll get in touch with the two detectives who have been working so long on this case. What do you guy's think!

xxxxxxxooo
mama
:blowkiss::blowkiss:

Mama,

First let me say I am so sorry that you and your family have a friend who is a vic of this awful violence. Secondly..I would at least try to phone or email these 2 detectives...this looks very similar.

Again prayers and blessings to all Dane's family members, coworkers and friends...as well as other WS members trying to see the light at the end of this heinous tunnel.

DD

 

[Silver~Bell]

Interesting newspaper article touching on the "river serial killer" aspect of a book by a local author about Wisconsin crime. The comments section is very interesting, lots of local people weighing in.

I'm still not impressed with in effect a death a year in LaCrosse, making the "gang" or "serial killer" happy with a kill a year and aging all the time and still keeping it all so quiet and secret -- very unlike them -- and the more I read about LaCrosse and the way the bodies of water are there, and the number of drunken young men walking ALONE who are stopped from walking right into the river by vigilant locals, the less and less I think there's any serial killer link. BUT BUT BUT I do indeed think that there may be copycat killings starting because of the idea being put in people's heads. As for the detectives: Where's the beef?

I hope this link will work, may have to copy and paste it in your browser.

the short story in the lacrosse trib

 

[SuziQ]

I'm still not impressed with in effect a death a year in LaCrosse, making the "gang" or "serial killer" happy with a kill a year and aging all the time and still keeping it all so quiet and secret -- very unlike them -- and the more I read about LaCrosse and the way the bodies of water are there, and the number of drunken young men walking ALONE who are stopped from walking right into the river by vigilant locals, the less and less I think there's any serial killer link.

the short story in the lacrosse trib

The serial killer talk actually started because of six similar drownings in two years in Wisconsin not just one a year. There were 3 in 2002, 1 in 2003, 2 in 2004. What vigilant locals are stopping young men from walking into the river? How many?

 

[SuziQ]

Also, serial killers love to travel, it's their thing. They drive and drive. Gary Hilton is connected to three states so far. God knows how many Joseph Duncan was connected to. So if you include other states, well that would be alot more than one murder a year.

 

[SuziQ]

In eight states between the years 1994-2001, there were 18 similar drownings. Between 2002-2007, there were 38.

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/

ETA: A few of the cases at the above link can easily be atributed to foul play.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think construction workers, AC workers, and everyone in between are suspects at this point until we know more details of what the "dicks" (thanks, Nursebeeme.) have uncovered. What we do know is that Al Cohol is not one of their suspects, but a facilitator or an accomplice.

I put credence into what two decorated NY police Detectives say. If it were two guys from another walk of life, I would think twice. These men are experienced and have the training to investigate such cases. For them, this isn't a whim or a book title.

We have discussed many times here on how you have to find the "missing puzzle piece" for things to fall into place and take you down the right path. I believe it is exactly what has happened for these two men. Upon their investigation into one case...they found the piece and it moved them quickly along the correct path. This enabled them to look for it in other cases. Only they know exactly which piece and I am sure this is information they are witholding for now. It isn't the smiley faces.

I am not going to doubt their conclusions...but I would like to make sure they have all the possible victims brought to the forefront for them to investigate and possibly more suspects. To me, this is where we can be beneficial. They seem to have found the motive, the means, and the rest. We have to insure they have the people in their sites to be included or excluded.