Mystery couple murdered in South Carolina, 1976 - #4

[justthinkin]

I think I might have figured out what the initials "JPF" means. Through my research I have discovered that there is a Navajo artist who signs his initials JPF on the jewelry he designs. Here is a link to an item where the initials are mentioned: http://santafe.craigslist.org/jwl/1015587013.html

The person who posted this said the piece used to be owned by his grandfather and was given to him by his mother ten years ago. If his grandfather owned it then we have to assume that it must have been around for awhile.

Here's another item: http://www.bonanzle.com/booths/Fron...quoise_Sterling_Silver_Bolo_Tie_By_JPF_Artist

Is it possible that JPF is actually the initials of this artist and not Jacques?

elliott, the initials were on the lindy star ring, not on the Native American jewelry. Also, I happen to think that what Jane Doe was wearing was cheap knock-off jewelry, not authentic Native American pieces. Wouldn't be surprised if she got that jewelry from the Grant's Truck Stop. I still see that same kind of jewelry at such places, flea markets, festivals.

I have to chuckle every time I think about that article in "The Item" that referred to the lindy star as some type of "far eastern jewelry." Too funny. Lindy star rings were all the rage for guys back during that time period. My own brother got one for Christmas sometime around that period. I remember lots of people had them. Lindy Star rings were about as far eastern as South Carolina!

 

[MaryLiz]

Right, the initials were on the linde star. I had one back then too. They were very popular in the 70s as was Native American jewelry. I can't figure out why they said the couple was wearing "expensive jewelry" because none of the jewelry, including the linde star, cost a lot of money back then. I had a larger than most blue linde star ring and it was around $100.

 

[runr]

There is a possibility that the media outlets will pick up this story. (Got an email confirmation, but it's not public yet.)

 

[superunknown]

BUT it does say

If you have a cold case that you would like to have re-opened, you may contact us and we will provide you with some information that may be helpful in getting "your" case re-opened.

Im off too bed all

Happy V day to you all :blowkiss:

I had a beautiful day x I hope you all did too x

I guess I'm confused, the Sumter case is still an open case, isn't it?

 

[superunknown]

runr, great news on the press coverage! I spoke to the former Sumter Coroner Mrs Moore recently and she has not been contacted by any members of the press about upcoming stories. I certainly hope she will be included since although she is no longer coroner, she has kept this case alive for many years.

Also wanted to re-post a theory of mine that I posted several threads ago: I have often wondered if this couple were of Cuban descent and were from South Florida and involved in the drug trade. In the early 70s there were an influx of 'boat refugees' into South Florida. It's possible they were Cuban and had been in S. Florida since they were younger. This might also explain the John Doe's dental work, since in latin America good dental work is a sign of wealth. The John Doe could have been trading drugs for dentistry. This murder took place right at the time that the coke trade was amping up. I was recently talking to a veteran police detective I know in a southern state that is transited by I-95. He told me that if you were to stop 10 cars on I-95 on any given day, 3-4 of them will be carrying large quantities of drugs.

Also, I think it's important to remember that Linde Star jewelry was a pretty much American phenomenon in the 60s/70s. In fact, you could walk into any discount store and there would be a little display selling the peices. It was also sold in places like Sears and JC Penney. It's possible the John Doe got the ring from someone else too, it's hard to say. My guess is that it was some kind of gift for a graduation or milestone like that, which was common to do back then.

Last, about Ron Yakimchuk, I believe he and his wife were ruled out a while back by Mrs. Moore due to too many physical dissimilarities between them and the Sumter Does.

 

[JaneInOz]

I guess I'm confused, the Sumter case is still an open case, isn't it?

Im not sure I was just replying to Mystery Lover

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Mmmmmm... What if JPF stands for the Jewis Peace Fellowship? The KKK could've offed this couple for that reason alone, and wouldn't lose any sleep over it........
Just sayin'.......

Did you all realize that the Star Linde Sapphire is a synthetic stone, still a bit more expensive for most back in the day, however the stone itself has a meaning of joyful devotion to God, so it could be a symbol of religion that Jock Doe was wearing.....
And JPF is the signature of a Navajo Indian artist that makes jewelry(among other art) wasn't the female wearing "Indian" style jewelry? Maybe they bought it (the ring) from a reservation when she bought her jewelry, IDK!
Just my brain thinking of different scenarios.

Did anyone ever know or say for sure what this couple stayed in at the KOA?

Originally Posted by elliottness
I think I might have figured out what the initials "JPF" means. Through my research I have discovered that there is a Navajo artist who signs his initials JPF on the jewelry he designs. Here is a link to an item where the initials are mentioned (snipped)

I had to quote myself, the Navajo Indian artist JPF, is something I already checked out & suggested..... The Star of Linde Sapphire is also mined in Nebraska.... Mmmmm, might be something there, since that matchbook with Grants Pass on it may have come from there, Indian reservations in Nebraska, I'll have to do a bit more research on this.....

I'll be back.....Promise!


Jeremiah 29:11-14

 

[justthinkin]

Madea...,

I would have trouble believing that the initials in the ring were those of any organization or social club unless the ring was an item sold by the organization. Sure, it's possible, but highly improbable, IMO.

Are you saying, you think they're Jewish?

 

[elliottness]

runr, great news on the press coverage! I spoke to the former Sumter Coroner Mrs Moore recently and she has not been contacted by any members of the press about upcoming stories. I certainly hope she will be included since although she is no longer coroner, she has kept this case alive for many years.

Also wanted to re-post a theory of mine that I posted several threads ago: I have often wondered if this couple were of Cuban descent and were from South Florida and involved in the drug trade. In the early 70s there were an influx of 'boat refugees' into South Florida. It's possible they were Cuban and had been in S. Florida since they were younger. This might also explain the John Doe's dental work, since in latin America good dental work is a sign of wealth. The John Doe could have been trading drugs for dentistry. This murder took place right at the time that the coke trade was amping up. I was recently talking to a veteran police detective I know in a southern state that is transited by I-95. He told me that if you were to stop 10 cars on I-95 on any given day, 3-4 of them will be carrying large quantities of drugs.

Also, I think it's important to remember that Linde Star jewelry was a pretty much American phenomenon in the 60s/70s. In fact, you could walk into any discount store and there would be a little display selling the peices. It was also sold in places like Sears and JC Penney. It's possible the John Doe got the ring from someone else too, it's hard to say. My guess is that it was some kind of gift for a graduation or milestone like that, which was common to do back then.

Last, about Ron Yakimchuk, I believe he and his wife were ruled out a while back by Mrs. Moore due to too many physical dissimilarities between them and the Sumter Does.

I don't think they were Cuban. I believe they were Canadian and it doesn't make sense why "Jacques" would use a fake name and make up a story about his father. He could have, but I suspect that he felt comfortable sharing this information to the guy from the KOA campgrounds. As for the olive complexion, it could be that his father was French Canadian and his mother was Native American.

 

[elliottness]

Originally Posted by elliottness
I think I might have figured out what the initials "JPF" means. Through my research I have discovered that there is a Navajo artist who signs his initials JPF on the jewelry he designs. Here is a link to an item where the initials are mentioned (snipped)

I had to quote myself, the Navajo Indian artist JPF, is something I already checked out & suggested..... The Star of Linde Sapphire is also mined in Nebraska.... Mmmmm, might be something there, since that matchbook with Grants Pass on it may have come from there, Indian reservations in Nebraska, I'll have to do a bit more research on this.....

I'll be back.....Promise!


Jeremiah 29:11-14

It could be that they passed through Nebraska on their travels and nothing more. I keep coming back to the extensive dental work on "Jacques." Dental work today ain't cheap and although it was cheaper in 1976 it wasn't exactly inexpensive then either. This guy either came from a wealthy family or he got the money through drugs or some other crime IMHO. There's just so much that doesn't add up, though, which is what makes this case intriguing and yet so frustrating. Why weren't Jacques and Jane Doe wearing underwear? Reportedly there were no drugs found in their system, but is that totally accurate information?

 

[elliottness]

Another one of the questions that I've been asking myself is why Jacques and Jane went to Florida then to South Carolina and then went back to Florida before going back to South Carolina. I checked the route to I-95 and one of the places is Daytona Beach, Florida. It sounded like Jacques was an auto racing fan. Could it have been that he went to Daytona's raceway before heading back to SC?

 

[superunknown]

I don't think they were Cuban. I believe they were Canadian and it doesn't make sense why "Jacques" would use a fake name and make up a story about his father. He could have, but I suspect that he felt comfortable sharing this information to the guy from the KOA campgrounds. As for the olive complexion, it could be that his father was French Canadian and his mother was Native American.

I believe it's important to look at this case from a lot of different angles. It is possible the man Mr Batson met at the KOA was not the John Doe and that it was a coincidence.

I have always preferred the French Canadian theory and the Native Canadian theory is a good one too, though.

I am just trying not to become too "stuck" on any one line of thought because it is important to think creatively about cases like this.

 

[justthinkin]

On a national news program last night was a story about dentists volunteering their time to repair the teeth of children from Appalachian Mountains. They were doing extensive dental work. Apparently the people there drink a lot of Mountain Dew, and it has horrible effects on their teeth. One of every 10 adults is toothless according to the news report. Wish I could remember which station, but I was switching around last evening.

Just thought I'd bring this up as something to note. I'm sure dentists were volunteering their time back in the seventies as well. Not saying it applies to this case, but it's also not entirely out of the question.

Found it. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6899312&page=1
Read the story, but be sure to watch the video.

Here's another article link
http://www.ebody-specialist.com/cosmetic_dentistry/articles/200007/article1773.html
Quote from article about a 23 yr. old man
"Every tooth in his mouth requires restoration varying from simple fillings to root canals and crowns. "

 

[youshouldveknown]

Sometimes a shirt is just a shirt. It could be possible that the shirt was secondhand or bought at a truck stop or something of the like.

 

[justthinkin]

On a national news program last night was a story about dentists volunteering their time to repair the teeth of children from Appalachian Mountains. They were doing extensive dental work. Apparently the people there drink a lot of Mountain Dew, and it has horrible effects on their teeth. One of every 10 adults is toothless according to the news report. Wish I could remember which station, but I was switching around last evening.

Just thought I'd bring this up as something to note. I'm sure dentists were volunteering their time back in the seventies as well. Not saying it applies to this case, but it's also not entirely out of the question.

Found it. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6899312&page=1
Read the story, but be sure to watch the video.

Here's another article link
http://www.ebody-specialist.com/cosmetic_dentistry/articles/200007/article1773.html
Quote from article about a 23 yr. old man
"Every tooth in his mouth requires restoration varying from simple fillings to root canals and crowns. "

Sorry to be quoting myself, but I really think it's possible these kids were from Appalachia. If they were, it could stand to reason why they weren't reported as missing, less mouths to feed.

Whether from there or not, I can't think of any better reason why Jock Doe's mouth was in the state it was in. I bet he had what's known as Mountain Dew Mouth.

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Madea...,

I would have trouble believing that the initials in the ring were those of any organization or social club unless the ring was an item sold by the organization. Sure, it's possible, but highly improbable, IMO.

Are you saying, you think they're Jewish?

Naw, not really, just posting different scenarios, it is a possibility, though, Jock Doe could be from Israel, he sort-of has that Eastern-European complexion, Jane not so much!

Look at this missing person, she could be Jane Doe......

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Someone may have already posted this one, I just wanted you all to see it again, just in case it hasn't....

The Doe Network:
Case File 1665DFCA Antoinette Diane Marino
Date Of Birth: October 18, 1942
Age at Time of Disappearance: 29 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'2"; 100-120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Dentals: Not Available
Fingerprints: Not Available
Medical: Toni had a drug and alcohol problem at the time of her disappearance.
AKA: Toni; Jennifer D. Ruff; Carol Volt.
She also used the last names of Basta and Biral interchanged with the first names of Antoinette, Toni, Diane, Jennifer and Carol.

Circumstances of Disappearance
Marino was last seen at her father and step-mother's home in Lynwood California on June 1, 1972 and was never seen or heard from again.
She was known to frequent bars in the N. Hollywood area. She spent some time in Salinas, CA and in the Big Sur area of California in the late 1960's. Toni had a drug and alcohol problem, but still kept in contact with her family on a regular basis. That contact abruptly stopped in 1972 and she was never seen or heard from again.
Coroner's offices in Los Angeles and surrounding counties have been checked for Jane Does, but there have been no hits.
There has been no activity on her social security number. Foul play is suspected.

 

[Mysterylover]

Food for Thought!...Correct me IF I'm wrong about this.
I read somewhere our Jane Doe had had a fresh manicure on fingers and toes..
As I have never gotten a manicure while traveling, this made me stop and think.
Who would this person be, or from, that she would think to keep her nails manicured while traveling? rincess:

 

[justthinkin]

Madea, I got 2 words for you--no moles. Between moles and teeth, we are really stymied.

I did note that several sketches have no moles visible. In blowing up the 2 pics which show decomp on her face, it's hard to tell if the moles are moles or if they're just decomp splotches. The quote "moles" on the left side of her mouth look no different than the 3 decomp splotches to the right of her mouth.

Is it possible that the funeral home turned decomp splotches into beauty marks, and after seeing the victim over and over with the "moles," they just became ingrained as moles in everyone's mind? They certainly weren't put on the earliest sketch released.

 

[superunknown]

About the moles: the former coroner herself saw them and confirmed they were what is called 'hair moles'.

But what stands out in my mind is that 'back in the day' it was not uncommon for more formal photographs to be retouched. This included covering moles and other blemishes. So there may be photos of the Jane Doe out there that could maybe not show them. (If that makes sense.)