Poll: Did Casey Really Keep Caylee in the Trunk Before Caylee Died?

[Kat]

I voted no. I don't think KC put Caylee in the trunk until after Caylee was dead.

 

[illinoismom]

fwiw . . . i still think first she dumped the body and then the chloroform smell in the trunk could have been an artifact of KC trying to clean up the smell (mixing cleaning chemicals) and she may have tried to shampoo or shop vac the chemicals out and dumped them in the backyard near the pool (hence the cadavar dogs alerted back there). when all else failed, i think she left laundry soap and softner sheets in the trunk with the garbage - then dump the car.

with regard to the "bonding" between kc and Caylee -
1) even if CA held Caylee first - a child attaches to their primary caregiver(s) who are consistently meeting their needs (patterns of behavior not a one time event)
2) From the descriptions of the parent/child relationship from all of KC's friends - it sounds as if Caylee may have suffered from an anxious attachment with her Mom - and separation anxiety is often an indication of this.
3) KC probably was suffering from her own self induced attachment issues with her daughter, (ie: I want you to want me when I want you . . . but if you want me to hold you too often or too close for my comfort - I feel as if you will suffocate me).

BBM

I agree that the chloroform was used to clean the decomp and she would know this because of GA being a policeman(and having policeman friends) OR someone who knew what they were doing helped. JMO

 

[MissJames]

I don't believe that KC routinely put Caylee in the trunk, however I think Caylee was in the trunk while KC and TL strolled into Blockbusters that Monday night, ducttaped and beginning to decompose.

I do too.

 

[cloud9]

First of all sorry for not being up on my facts. I have strayed away from this case only coming by to read the daily updates now and then.

IIRC, KC had only been dating Tony for a short period of time, right? So if she was using drugs to put Caylee to sleep it wouldnt show up in her hair yet? Im in agreement with FORDANIEL about KC possibly keeping Caylee at that house. There is some reason why DC was there looking around and the house being owned by a Gonzoles. JMO

I dont think Caylee spent time in the trunk before her death but I think KC kept her there for a few days after in order to have control of the situation. She just didnt do her homework and ended up with a mess.

I have always thought the chloroform was used to clean up and not used on Caylee too.

Yes! That house means something. Thank you!

 

[songline]

I voted not sure, but I lean towards the fact that Tony did not want Caylee around much and the trunk was used as baby sitter at times when Cindy did not feel like baby sitting.
I do not think it was used that way before tony.
A baby can get extra Liquiprin/aspirin to fall asleep, That would not look like a drug in any test.
I have even heard of mothers who give a baby a couple of sips of wine so that they would fall asleep.
Most nights ALL KC needed was a few hours at the club, and did return home.
Sometimes maybe KC would wait in the car till Caylee was asleep so she can meet Tony without her.
CAYLEE did look scared in several pictures and the mark under her eye may not be a sign of a playful fall. The child was not happy toward the end, and I am sure that Cindy was beginning to see that.
I too believe and have said many times that I totally believe that Caylee told Cindy something in that car ride home from visiting Grandpa. She was just beginning to talk and maybe she said just enough;
She was never really seen again. It is very possible that Casey wanted to punish Caylee and told her she is now going in the Car and getting her mouth taped because she had spoken. Maybe she snatched the baby because she was afraid to leave her with Cindy who was asking questions.
I do not think KC intended to kill Caylee, if she did it?
She did get back in the house to package her little body.

But I also think it is VERY VERY possible that KC was an escort and was so mad Cindy found out she went right to work and left the baby at the front desk. But something happened to the baby; after all in is NO play ground for children. And KC was left with a problem.

WHAT baffles me is: WHY not produce one real babysitter? I think everyone has had at least one baby sitter by the age of 3. Is there one? and it would be attached to another story?
What baffles me too is a girl with no real skill has not left one lose thread?
What also baffles me is George keeps on getting delays on every court date from the start.

I do not know if the baby started out in the trunk or was transferred to the trunk but GA certainly knows and always knew that it was not pizza.

I ALWAYS thought that she should have been charged with Criminal Negligence Resulting in Murder.
Because either scenario would fit that charge.

I am afraid that the charges they filed require DIRECT LINK / EVIDENCE that tie KC to Caylee's death, and I am afraid that charge is going to let her out on time served by the time this is even heard in court.

 

[CentralFLMama]

No I dont think she ever did. I think Caylee would have suffocated or died from the heat.

 

[songline]

I voted no. I have never personally believed that theory. I especially didn't believe it after I read the IM's between KC and various people. There were numerous times where she made up excuses as to why she couldn't go out and party. IMO if she was using the trunk as a baby sitter she wouldn't need to make up excuses(her mom isn't home yet, the Nanny is in traffic..whatever she said LOL). If she were putting Caylee in the trunk to go out, excuses wouldn't have been required. JMO!

I do not think Caylee was in the trunk prior to KC dating Tony.
Tony did not like kids around. KC was dating Tony only a short time. Before Tony her previous boyfriend liked the baby, KC brought her along when did not want to baby sit. But CA was growing tired of baby sitting and they found out she did not have a job so CA wanted to make KC more reliable by not baby sitting. This changed everything.
KC did not want to always say "I cant go" all the time.
IMHO - THIS IS WHY CA is so angry and feeling so guilty too.

BUT baby was not always in the trunk to go out, this was new.

MOO

 

[aafromaa]

I say no for some of the same reasons others have given including..

1) Caylee would likely have not survived for any length of time in the trunk
2) I don't know that there are any times prior to the 16th that we know about that Caylee was not either with KC or with CA. I know others have suggested this but I have yet to see any evidence of that.
3) Some posters have suggested the air mattress was used in the trunk for Caylee because they know of no other reason for KC to have one. I don't think the trunk was big enough for one and it doesn't make sense to bother with an air mattress if the theory is she drugged Caylee and put her in the trunk. Also, if CA is right & the air mattress had been in the house for "a couple of months" by mid-July then I think KC's use of the air mattress was prior to her relationship with TL and likely used when she spent the night with friends - perhaps even with AH prior to her moving in with RM which was a recent event necessitated by the lies KC told about plans to share the A's home with her once the A's moved out. I think it's likely that while RM & KC were "together" (prior to TL) that KC & Caylee spent the night with AH when they weren't with RM and those are the times she probably used the air mattress and thus the reason CA thinks it was back at the A's home for a "couple of months" - because they didn't use it at AH's anymore. (Just my theories, of course, and I have nothing really to support them - I just don't think the air mattress really has anything to do with Caylee's death or was ever used inside the car - trunk or interior - ever.)

 

[DotsEyes]

Dr. G. had a show of a young woman who was killed and buried in FL. WHen she was found, she had tape over her mouth and nose. The BF killer confessed that he strangled her, but she didn't die right away and was making breathing sounds, so he taped her mouth, nose and eyes.

 

[Hollys G-mom]

I voted not sure, but I lean towards the fact that Tony did not want Caylee around much and the trunk was used as baby sitter at times when Cindy did not feel like baby sitting.
I do not think it was used that way before tony.
A baby can get extra Liquiprin/aspirin to fall asleep, That would not look like a drug in any test.
I have even heard of mothers who give a baby a couple of sips of wine so that they would fall asleep.
Most nights ALL KC needed was a few hours at the club, and did return home.
Sometimes maybe KC would wait in the car till Caylee was asleep so she can meet Tony without her.
CAYLEE did look scared in several pictures and the mark under her eye may not be a sign of a playful fall. The child was not happy toward the end, and I am sure that Cindy was beginning to see that.
I too believe and have said many times that I totally believe that Caylee told Cindy something in that car ride home from visiting Grandpa. She was just beginning to talk and maybe she said just enough;
She was never really seen again. It is very possible that Casey wanted to punish Caylee and told her she is now going in the Car and getting her mouth taped because she had spoken. Maybe she snatched the baby because she was afraid to leave her with Cindy who was asking questions.
I do not think KC intended to kill Caylee, if she did it?
She did get back in the house to package her little body.

But I also think it is VERY VERY possible that KC was an escort and was so mad Cindy found out she went right to work and left the baby at the front desk. But something happened to the baby; after all in is NO play ground for children. And KC was left with a problem.

WHAT baffles me is: WHY not produce one real babysitter? I think everyone has had at least one baby sitter by the age of 3. Is there one? and it would be attached to another story?
What baffles me too is a girl with no real skill has not left one lose thread?
What also baffles me is George keeps on getting delays on every court date from the start.

I do not know if the baby started out in the trunk or was transferred to the trunk but GA certainly knows and always knew that it was not pizza.

I ALWAYS thought that she should have been charged with Criminal Negligence Resulting in Murder.
Because either scenario would fit that charge.

I am afraid that the charges they filed require DIRECT LINK / EVIDENCE that tie KC to Caylee's death, and I am afraid that charge is going to let her out on time served by the time this is even heard in court.

BBM: I had decided to just read for a few days but I just had to mention this in response to this posting. When the Examiner was doing testing they would have done a broad spectrum toxicology report (I believe, correct if wrong). This would be them testing for ANY chemicals that MIGHT have poisoned/killed Caylee or been in her system that shouldn't have been. This should have included aspirin, as accidental overdose might have been the case. Also would/should have included ANY chemical composition that normally should not have been there. Beyond that, I agree with most everything you've posted.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I voted no, because I assume you are asking in such a way as if KC were using the trunk as a babysitter. I have no idea what happened to poor little Caylee, but I do believe it is possible that the LAST time she was put in the truck she could have been alive. But at this point, with the things that go through my mind when running the scenarios, that would be giving KC some benefit of the doubt which I generally am not inclined to give anymore, But in some of the less gruesome scenarios that keep me up at night she could have been put in the trunk alive the LAST time. I believe if she were using the trunk as a babysitter poor Caylee would have died a lot sooner, I would think. It is Florida.

 

[Nore]

I voted no. I have always felt if she had kept her in the trunk she would have had to tie her arms and legs,shut her mouth in case she woke up. A two year old would have a fit if she woke up so confined. Someone could have easily heard her yelling .That is not only a lot for kc to go through,it would leave marks.

 

[Curious Me]

fwiw . . . with regard to the "bonding" between kc and Caylee -

1) even if CA held Caylee first - a child attaches to their primary caregiver(s) who are consistently meeting their needs (patterns of behavior not a one time event)

2) From the descriptions of the parent/child relationship from all of KC's friends - it sounds as if Caylee may have suffered from an anxious attachment with her Mom - and separation anxiety is often an indication of this.

3) KC probably was suffering from her own self induced attachment issues with her daughter, (ie: I want you to want me when I want you . . . but if you want me to hold you too often or too close for my comfort - I feel as if you will suffocate me).

The thing is Casey told LE that Caylee didn't seem to get upset when away from her, (pretend phone call about book and shoes) but Caylee would get upset being parted from Cindy.

A child that age is going through anxious/separation anxiety stage I agree; however, from birth Caylee was shifted between Casey and Cindy. Plus, Casey would be on her computer or texting most every minute of the day and probably did not stop to lay next to Caylee for long at bedtime...leaving to go out odd times, needing to be called to come home to her daughter,..sometimes taking Caylee into bed and having the shh...don't tell...sex with Ricardo and who else. I have to believe Caylee felt more cared for and safer around Grandma and Grandpa.

Definitely, the little real attention Caylee may have gotten from Casey was probably a big sacrifice of texting time. It was worth all the attention of being so good handling the burden of a child. Then, she made some new friends and could have this exciting life. That's when the burden of a child felt heavier. The little snothead broke her promise and told Grandma something could very well have been why Casey decided it was a decision she had to make.

 

[chefmom]

I voted 'no' because I do not believe that KC put her in the trunk until she was gone. Then, after a few days decomposing in the hot Florida sun, she had herself one awful mess. So, she dumped the body around the corner, and then dumped the car at Amscot, hoping it would get stolen. But, it got towed instead, and C & G were brought in to the situation. As to the chloroform, well, at first I wondered what kind of grandmother would go to work after picking up her daughter's car that "smelled like there's been a dead body in the damn car". And then it hit me! A grandmother, who worked at a hospital and needed a bottle of chloroform for some heavy duty cleaning, that's who! Everything that CA has done so far seems to have made this situation worse. I will not be surprised to hear that the chloroform was used by CA to clean the trunk. JMO, of course.

 

[Brini]

I voted 'no' because I do not believe that KC put her in the trunk until she was gone. Then, after a few days decomposing in the hot Florida sun, she had herself one awful mess. So, she dumped the body around the corner, and then dumped the car at Amscot, hoping it would get stolen. But, it got towed instead, and C & G were brought in to the situation. As to the chloroform, well, at first I wondered what kind of grandmother would go to work after picking up her daughter's car that "smelled like there's been a dead body in the damn car". And then it hit me! A grandmother, who worked at a hospital and needed a bottle of chloroform for some heavy duty cleaning, that's who! Everything that CA has done so far seems to have made this situation worse. I will not be surprised to hear that the chloroform was used by CA to clean the trunk. JMO, of course.

Hospitals no longer keep chloroform. It's not legal for any medical application, anymore.

CA also doesn't work in a hospital, and isn't in a job that would give her access to drugs.

 

[4Siamese]

I voted yes. I can just see KC giving Caylee benadryl and putting her in the trunk so she could have a few hours to herself. I lived in Orlando - and there are several months during the year when the weather is cool enough for Caylee to have been able to survive in the trunk. We don't know what KC was doing before June 2008. In January 2008 - she may have been using the trunk as a babysitter, especially if she wanted to walk around Walmart by herself, or go meet up with a cop for a quickie. just sayin....

 

[Shear22]

Yes, but being a nurse, she probably would have known how to obtain it, and being the clean freak that she is, may have already had it at her home. I can't help but think that the chloroform was used to clean the car, but of course, I could be wrong. The other alternative would be that she used it on Caylee, and that just seems so overboard on a toddler that I can't wrap my brain around it. Same with locking her in the trunk while she partied. I think this case has made many of us stretch our imaginations a bit farther than we might normally because there is so much unknown about what actually happened. Since no one in this family seems to be able to just tell the truth, we will probably never know how, when, where, or why that little angel was taken from this earth.

Why would CA go to the trouble to obtain chloroform to clean the car when there are plenty of other cleaning agents and solvents readily available? Plus, if chloroform or anything else had been used to actually clean the car why oh why was it still a stinky stained mess with maggots, etc. when it was found?

 

[Marina2]

Dr. G. had a show of a young woman who was killed and buried in FL. WHen she was found, she had tape over her mouth and nose. The BF killer confessed that he strangled her, but she didn't die right away and was making breathing sounds, so he taped her mouth, nose and eyes.

That's interesting to me Dot because it's almost what I've imagined the purpose of duct tape on Caylee was. My theory has been that KC, after fighting with her mom on the night of the 15th, lashed out at Caylee, injuring her tremendously. She may have shook her, through her onto the bed, down to the ground, or something that could have caused paralysis or a near death condition. Rather than risk CA seeing Caylee in this condition or as a way to shorten her suffering and bring about her inevitable death, she duct taped her mouth and nose. Heart sticker says I'm sorry that I hurt you. In KC's mind, this would be an accident because she never intended to kill her just lost her temper and injured her fatally. I think this happened in KC's bedroom and being stuck in the house with a dying child and her parents in another room, she had to do something to quiet Caylee and end her suffering. When CA and GA were asleep, KC wrapped Caylee in the blanket and put her in the trunk. She went back to her room, locked her door and remained there, pretending to be asleep with Caylee until the coast was clear.

 

[Jolynna]

That's interesting to me Dot because it's almost what I've imagined the purpose of duct tape on Caylee was. My theory has been that KC, after fighting with her mom on the night of the 15th, lashed out at Caylee, injuring her tremendously. She may have shook her, through her onto the bed, down to the ground, or something that could have caused paralysis or a near death condition. Rather than risk CA seeing Caylee in this condition or as a way to shorten her suffering and bring about her inevitable death, she duct taped her mouth and nose. Heart sticker says I'm sorry that I hurt you. In KC's mind, this would be an accident because she never intended to kill her just lost her temper and injured her fatally. I think this happened in KC's bedroom and being stuck in the house with a dying child and her parents in another room, she had to do something to quiet Caylee and end her suffering. When CA and GA were asleep, KC wrapped Caylee in the blanket and put her in the trunk. She went back to her room, locked her door and remained there, pretending to be asleep with Caylee until the coast was clear.

Except why hang around the Anthony house after Caylee was dead? Tony didn't have school that Monday. He was home.

The minute George went to work at 1:30-2, KC could have been out of her parent's house and headed for her "safe" place with Caylee in the trunk or sandbox. Who'd sit around the Anthony house lollygagging around on the Anthony computer with a dead body. The activity level on the Anthony computer at around 3 was high. I'd think KC would want to get the heck away from the scene of her crime at the earliest opportunity.

 

[Marina2]

Except why hang around the Anthony house after Caylee was dead? Tony didn't have school that Monday. He was home.

The minute George went to work at 1:30-2, KC could have been out of her parent's house and headed for her "safe" place with Caylee in the trunk or sandbox. Who'd sit around the Anthony house lollygagging around on the Anthony computer with a dead body. The activity level on the Anthony computer at around 3 was high. I'd think KC would want to get the heck away from the scene of her crime at the earliest opportunity.

If I had a dead body in my trunk, I'd hang around the house until I absolutely had to leave. Driving around with a dead body in your trunk is a scary thought. Anything could happen. Safer to be at home. I think GA saw her at 12:50 without Caylee and she told him she had already dropped her off. Later, she told LE "between 9am-1pm because she wasn't sure if GA would say he didn't see Caylee at all that morning. I don't think she ever left that house until she had to because she had a body in her trunk. By the end of the day, she had to get out of there and she did, body in the trunk or not. Prior to that, it was safer for her to be at home.