Leonard Gonzalez Jr.

[Gene]

Billings, Jr, Tabatha,Fausti,Tice all left country on many business deals....and where did the whole BILLINGS family take a crusie to (CARNIVAL) a couple weeks before they were murdered? Columbia???

I found evidence that they went in June 2008 on the Carnival Valor. That ship usually goes to Grand Cayman, Honduras, Belize and Mexico, not Columbia. I am not an expert on cruises, but if you are going to take a one week cruise out of Miami, where else are you going to go except the Caribbean? I can not imagine that Byrd and Melanie would go on a cruise to meet with Mafia and take a bunch of disabled kids with them. I could be wrong, but I think that cruise was for fun..

Post April 15, 2008
http://www.carnivalconnections.com/cruisetalk/forums/p/26853/82175.aspx

 

[Gene]

There is a report on Ricks Blog that LPG Jr previously tried to make a hit on someone else involved in the auto industry:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169

Anyone know if LPG Jr previously owned a Blue Ford Explorer??

 

[RiverPirate]

There is a report on Ricks Blog that LPG Jr previously tried to make a hit on someone else involved in the auto industry:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169

Anyone know if LPG Jr previously owned a Blue Ford Explorer??

Good question. Also, as much as all this relates to the car business, JR. would have access to all kinds of cars.Especially if this was during the time he was working on a car lot.

 

[megamami]

This is the guy whose website I read earlier (may have been discussed here?)
http://www.markturnerandfriends.com/ It is interesting that the theme of money laundering is there again. I think that is what is behind a lot of these characters.

From Rock's post: http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169 BBM
"Turner is involved with a large civil case and is appealing a conviction on money laundering. He believes that the break-in is tied to those cases."

 

[Gene]

This is the guy whose website I read earlier (may have been discussed here?)
http://www.markturnerandfriends.com/ It is interesting that the theme of money laundering is there again. I think that is what is behind a lot of these characters.

From Rock's post: http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169 BBM
"Turner is involved with a large civil case and is appealing a conviction on money laundering. He believes that the break-in is tied to those cases."

Yes, the website was discussed earlier. While Billings and Turner were in the used car industry....the question is, who would have wanted them BOTH killed?

 

[Spyglass]

There is a report on Ricks Blog that LPG Jr previously tried to make a hit on someone else involved in the auto industry:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169

Anyone know if LPG Jr previously owned a Blue Ford Explorer??

IIRC Gonzalez's mother reportedly told the man who sold the large red van that her son's vehicle had recently been repossessed. I don't remember a make/model being mentioned.

It seems people in the used car business would have limitless access to use of a used cars for their "errands," but if there was someone else calling the shots who was in the car business, I doubt they'd want a car connected with their businesses to be used.

 

[Dannybye]

a Ford Explorer and Ford Expedition are both suv's LPGj was reposssed that is his mother's was. What color was it? Are registry records open to the public?

 

[Gene]

Does anyone find it a coincidence that Donnie Stallworth, owns a tan Ford Explorer? As I recall, Tice said that JPG tried to borrow a van from him just before attacking the Billings

Investigators seized two black stocking caps, a pair of black gloves, four 12-gauge shot gun shells and numerous other items from a tan, Ford Explorer owned by 28-year-old Donald Stallworth.


http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/s...rder-suspects-car/201088/Jul-22-2009_1-22-pm/

 

[cleo612]

Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. mentions contract hit, Tice and MS13:

In the course of the interview, Gonzalez stated “the car dealers just did not like Billings over business dealings and money issues.”

He went on to say, “that Cab Tice came to him and indicated that the group wanted Billings ‘whacked’, but he (Pat) refused the job.”

According to Chavers’ report: “When I asked him to name the car dealers again, Patrick responded that he wasn’t at the meeting, but had heard from Cab Tice that a Mr. Mantis, a Jerry Wood (who might be Mantis), a Phillips and a few others. Patrick also stated most of these men had nicknames and he wasn’t sure about their real names.”

More at link:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7200

 

[daisy7]

Apparently, taken from the document dump:



More at link:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7200

Here's the direct link to the report

http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Gonzalez-report.pdf

 

[Gene]

Wow!!!

On 7/12/09 LPG Jr said: "Cab Tice came to him and indicated that the group wanted Billings ‘whacked’, but he (Pat) refused the job.”

http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Gonzalez-report.pdf

On 7/22/09 : Sheriff's spokesman Ted Roy said Tuesday that investigators only considered a contract hit as a possibility for “a fleeting second during the initial phase of the investigation.”

“Could it still be a motive? I guess it could, but someone else other than the investigators assigned to the Billings case will have to investigate it because investigators working the Billings case sure don't believe so,” he said

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/22/crimesider/entry5179371.shtml

What were they (Sheriff and his Spokesman) thinking when they made that statement??

 

[megamami]

What were they (Sheriff and his Spokesman) thinking when they made that statement??

Of course, pure speculation on my part, but maybe he had lied about so many other things (including not being at the murder scene) that they didn't believe much else of what he said??

 

[lexus116]

I'm confused about something. LPG Jr admits to knowing and having a falling out Justin Billings. If it's true that Justin knew and had worked with LPG Jr in the past, how come the family was so adamant about not knowing or ever seeing LPG Jr before? It doesn't make sense.

If I'm reading the interview correctly, LPG Jr admitted to being used several times by other car dealers to "whack" others. Is that an admission to being previously hired to kill?

 

[megamami]

Does "whack" mean "kill"? I haven't seen that explained yet (but I would assume so.) Or does it mean 'break someone's legs', for instance?

 

[lexus116]

Does "whack" mean "kill"? I haven't seen that explained yet (but I would assume so.) Or does it mean 'break someone's legs', for instance?

I'm only assuming it does mean kill, because in the same document LPG Jr described Tice and the others as wanting the Billings to be "whacked".

 

[Solomisskitty]

I'm only assuming it does mean kill, because in the same document LPG Jr described Tice and the others as wanting the Billings to be "whacked".

Definition of whack per merriam-webster:
Main Entry: 1whack
Pronunciation: \ˈhwak, ˈwak\
Function: verb
Etymology: probably imitative of the sound of a blow
Date: 1719
transitive verb
1 a : to strike with a smart or resounding blow <whack the ball> b : to cut with or as if with a whack : chop
2 chiefly British : to get the better of : defeat
3 slang : murder, kill

 

[Spyglass]

In one of the investigative reports, Patrick Gonzalez Jr's aunt reportedly stated that if Patrick did something, then his brother (Richard, Atlanta) was also involved. Have we heard anything else about Richard?

 

[Spyglass]

I'm confused about something. LPG Jr admits to knowing and having a falling out Justin Billings. If it's true that Justin knew and had worked with LPG Jr in the past, how come the family was so adamant about not knowing or ever seeing LPG Jr before? It doesn't make sense.

If I'm reading the interview correctly, LPG Jr admitted to being used several times by other car dealers to "whack" others. Is that an admission to being previously hired to kill?

There are a couple of recent posts that indicate some sleuths believe Gonzalez is going for state witness/immunity/witness protection. Not unheard of since mob hitmen have received this in the past for testifying against their mob bosses.

 

[Lindadanette]

In one of the investigative reports, Patrick Gonzalez Jr's aunt reportedly stated that if Patrick did something, then his brother (Richard, Atlanta) was also involved. Have we heard anything else about Richard?

I thought Richard was LPG Sr.'s brother. To my knowlege, LPG onely as a step-sister. Now, that's not to say that Atlanta connection might not be a real humdinger. . . We've heard that LPG Jr lived in Atlanta in 2006, I wonder who he was "whacking" for there?

The one thing I do believe is that he was serious when he said that he was in deep.

 

[KeenEyes]

I thought Richard was LPG Sr.'s brother. To my knowlege, LPG onely as a step-sister. Now, that's not to say that Atlanta connection might not be a real humdinger. . . We've heard that LPG Jr lived in Atlanta in 2006, I wonder who he was "whacking" for there?

The one thing I do believe is that he was serious when he said that he was in deep.

"about 3 yrs ago" (2006?) is when Tice said, in the WEAR interview, that he and Jr. "reconnected"