NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #7

[Mountain_Kat]

SBM - Keep your random thoughts coming MK!!! They are very helpful in trying to make sense of the plethora of confusing information surrounding this case. Here is one other scenario I had been contemplating with MBB: If she had been robbed, she might have called a former high-paying customer to see if he wanted a "date" that night, hoping to recoup her money. Her cell phone records would be highly important in this case. At least she had a cell phone with her, and did not "intentionally" leave it behind at home like ALC did. I still find that strange!

I'm finding this story of MBB's cell phone pings showing LI, her disappearing from a hotel room, an aerial search of Oak Beach in connection with her, all very disconcerting. I've never heard that info before, and I just don't know if I believe it. You sure would think if MBB went missing, and there was an aerial search of Oak Beach in connection with her case, the cops would have hopped on SG's disappearance FROM OAK BEACH, like a tick on a deer.

This new story has just knocked me for a loop, to be honest. I don't know WAHT to think now.

 

[chasing.halos]

Are there any hotels near where the bodies were dumped? What if the SK were a hotel employee, perhaps drove a hotel van, invited girls over to the hotel where he then killed them and subsequently used a hotel van to transport them to the dumping site? Just throwing out the thought.

 

[Reannan]

Hmmm, I have it slightly different. :waitasec:

MB- Jasmine
MW- Lexy, Lexi (and possibly Tiffany, but can't confirm yet)
MBB- Chloe
ALC- Carolina (and possibly Christine, but haven't confirmed yet)

Regarding the pink hoodie...aren't they fairly common. I have one.

Here you go MK..... I found a link to MB using "Chloe" as her stage name, and some new information - at least for me. The name of her agency, and the fact that she went out on a date that night for $1000.00 is also news to me.

"Her mother had no idea Melissa was advertising on Craigslist, selling her body on the streets of New York City, and working, on occasion, for an escort agency called James Bond Entertainment under the pseudonym Chloe. She also didn't know that on the night her daughter disappeared, she had lined up a date to the tune of $1,000."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ng-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/#

 

[Reannan]

And this is really interesting.....

"Interestingly, two of the women had a connection to the same Holiday Inn Express, located just off the Long Island Expressway in Hauppage, New York. According to Costello's roommate Dave Schaller, the pint-size escort received a call from a john who wanted her to meet him at the hotel at 1 a.m. a few weeks before she disappeared in September 2010. And Megan Waterman was staying at the same hotel with her boyfriend when she vanished without a trace three months earlier."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ng-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/#

 

[MrsPC]

Reannan - thx so much for the info in your sig

I'd like to add to it....

Maureen Brainard-Barnes - Jasmine - 7/9/2007 - vanished from Manhattan (bus station or hotel)
Melissa Barthelemy - Chloe - 7/12/2009 - vanished from the Bronx (underhill Ave)
Shannon Gilbert - Sabrina - 5/1/2010 - vanished from Oak Beach on LI (the Fairway)
Megan Waterman - Lexy - 6/6/2010 - vanished from Hauppage (Holiday Inn Express)
Amber Lynn Costello - Carolina - 9/2/2010 - vanished from N Babylon

It's interesting to me that of the Craigslist ladies, the only one where we have the actual "john's" address is the one who cannot be found....

if Brewer wasn't the killer, why did the killer deviate from his disposal habits with Gilbert only?

 

[carbuff]

Reannan - thx so much for the info in your sig

I'd like to add to it....

Maureen Brainard-Barnes - Jasmine - 7/9/2007 - vanished from Manhattan (bus station or hotel)
Melissa Barthelemy - Chloe - 7/12/2009 - vanished from the Bronx (underhill Ave)
Shannon Gilbert - Sabrina - 5/1/2010 - vanished from Oak Beach on LI (the Fairway)
Megan Waterman - Lexy - 6/6/2010 - vanished from Hauppauge (Holiday Inn Express)
Amber Lynn Costello - Carolina - 9/2/2010 - vanished from N Babylon

It's interesting to me that of the Craigslist ladies, the only one where we have the actual "john's" address is the one who cannot be found....

if Brewer wasn't the killer, why did the killer deviate from his disposal habits with Gilbert only?

I would add Jessica Taylor, 7/21/2003, disappeared from Port Authority Bus Terminal.

 

[KAYTOM]

I have a strong feeling Jessica Taylor is a victim of the SK.

She went missing sometime around 7/18/2003 - 7/21/2003 - which is a weekend.

She was discovered saturday July 26, 2003.


Makes you wonder if the SK is a teacher and has the summers off. Maybe he switched his MO because he realized that no matter how much trouble you go to, the identities will eventually be figured out. If it is the same killer, this could give us some insight into how long he potentially hangs on to the bodies.

I haven't found much as far as the cause of death in the manorville cases. One of them was stabbed, but a few were found or last seen in the summer time.

"On June 27, 2008, another dismembered woman was found stuffed in a suitcase near Newbridge Road in Bellmore off the Southern State Parkway. The woman was identified as Tanya Rush, a 39-year-old mother of three from Brooklyn"

"The torso of a black or Hispanic woman, also with her head and hands cut off, was found by a hiker in Hempstead Lake State Park on June 28, 1997.

Nassau County Medical Examiner Eric Smith, who worked on the case, which is still active—cold cases are never closed in New York State until they are solved—says she is known among law enforcement as “Peaches” due to a tattoo of a peach above her left breast."

 

[Redbird]

There sure seems to be a lot of new information coming out in the Dailey Beast I have never heard before. I would think a connection between the Hauppage, NY Hotel and the two girl to be quite a sensational find. Wonder if any other papers are reporting this.

 

[carbuff]

There sure seems to be a lot of new information coming out in the Dailey Beast I have never heard before. I would think a connection between the Hauppage, NY Hotel and the two girl to be quite a sensational find. Wonder if any other papers are reporting this.

Christine Pelisek used to write for the LA Weekly. She's the reporter who did most of the work of keeping the "Grim Sleeper" investigation alive. She digs.

 

[KAYTOM]

I copied the quoted segment below from another crimeboard. Credit goes to Michael Kay

"Colleen McNamee, she was also last seen in the area of Hauppauge leaving a drug rehab clinic which if you are local you know it is in the vicinity of the state office buildings which house the courts, DMV, etc.. I strongly believe that the killer has the ability to know where they will be meeting with clients and picks them up AFTER they leave a job and that is the abduction point. I dont believe its someone as obvious as a pimp, I think it is possibly a john who cancels on these girls last minute or does a no show and grabs them when they are ready to leave. Im sorry for taking up so much of the board and I hope this helps. And I also hope I can be helpful with my knowledge of the locality and the other information I have."

Colleen is mentioned in the Manorville case. Her cause of death was strangulation.

"Colleen McNamee, 20, of Holbrook and Rita Tangredi-Beinlich, 31, of East Patchogue who died from strangulation in 1994 and discovered in different locations. "

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/03/24/long-islands-other-serial-killer/6/

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here you go MK..... I found a link to MB using "Chloe" as her stage name, and some new information - at least for me. The name of her agency, and the fact that she went out on a date that night for $1000.00 is also news to me.

"Her mother had no idea Melissa was advertising on Craigslist, selling her body on the streets of New York City, and working, on occasion, for an escort agency called James Bond Entertainment under the pseudonym Chloe. She also didn't know that on the night her daughter disappeared, she had lined up a date to the tune of $1,000."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ng-island-serial-killer-victims-secret-life/#

New info to me too, Reannan. Thanks.

So regarding the names, I have Mb and MBB backwards. I'll correct that in my notes right now. Thanks for clearling that up.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I would add Jessica Taylor, 7/21/2003, disappeared from Port Authority Bus Terminal.

Something inside keeps telling me that the head found in the bag on Oak Beach is going to link back to Taylor. Just a feeling, but it's a powerful one. If it does link back, does that mean Taylor (and the other Manorville victims) is the work of our SK? I haven't a clue at this point. Until we get some id on the latest remains found, I'm completely stumped as to whether our SK even has an m.o. we can use for profiling. I would think he'd stick to a pattern (ie; strangulation, burlap bags, leaving bodies whole), but now, I just can't say that with any certainty. I honestly no longer know what I think. :banghead:

 

[Aleph]

I don't think they normally check ID on buses. And if that was a problem, you'd think she'd mention it to her friend, wouldn't she?

Post 9/11, they do ask for ID when you purchase a bus ticket. It's an easy thing to forget.

 

[carbuff]

I copied the quoted segment below from another crimeboard. Credit goes to Michael Kay

"Colleen McNamee, she was also last seen in the area of Hauppauge leaving a drug rehab clinic which if you are local you know it is in the vicinity of the state office buildings which house the courts, DMV, etc.. I strongly believe that the killer has the ability to know where they will be meeting with clients and picks them up AFTER they leave a job and that is the abduction point. I dont believe its someone as obvious as a pimp, I think it is possibly a john who cancels on these girls last minute or does a no show and grabs them when they are ready to leave. Im sorry for taking up so much of the board and I hope this helps. And I also hope I can be helpful with my knowledge of the locality and the other information I have."

Colleen is mentioned in the Manorville case. Her cause of death was strangulation.

"Colleen McNamee, 20, of Holbrook and Rita Tangredi-Beinlich, 31, of East Patchogue who died from strangulation in 1994 and discovered in different locations. "

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/03/24/long-islands-other-serial-killer/6/

A drug rehab center? Now that's VERY interesting.

Here's a little information about the town of Hauppauge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauppauge,_New_York One especially interesting item: The Hauppauge Industrial Park, located at the edge of the hamlet, is the largest on Long Island, and by some accounts the second largest in the nation. The park has over 1,300 companies, and employs over 55,000 Long Islanders.

So this is an area with a lot of commuters and most likely a lot of regular business travelers visiting companies in the industrial park.

I found these drug rehab centers listed on one site:

* From the Ashes, Incorporated CD OP
300 Motor Parkway Hauppauge, NY 11788

* Suffolk County Div of Community Health
725 Veterans Memorial Highway Hauppauge, NY 11788
www.co.suffolk.ny.us

* Suffolk County Hauppauge
200 Wireless Boulevard Hauppauge, NY 11788

I doubt that's an exhaustive list.

 

[carbuff]

Post 9/11, they do ask for ID when you purchase a bus ticket. It's an easy thing to forget.

Not on the commuter buses.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Okay, so he's an older man and he's more than just a regular client. He befriends these women. That's how he knew about MB's little sister, that's how he knew where MW's mother worked. And these girls don't tell their "boyfriends" where they are going. Is that because our SK lead these girls on with promises of this becoming more than just a working relationship? Did these girls think, " He cares about me! I might marry a dr. (or a lawyer or a rich financial advisor, whatever this guy does for a living)! I can leave this life forever!" Did they envision a Pretty Woman scenario and THAT'S how he lured them in?

Man...that rings so true to my ears it's creeping me out!

ETA: How would I fit SG into that scenario, though? She brought a driver. But maybe JB isn't our SK, eh? OR, maybe he was just in the process of "courting" the new girl, and SG hadn't been "groomed" to trust yet. Need to sleep on that question, I think.

 

[Grace1984]

Post 9/11, they do ask for ID when you purchase a bus ticket. It's an easy thing to forget.

Actually, if you pay with cash, its not required to have id.

 

[carbuff]

Reannan - thx so much for the info in your sig

I'd like to add to it....

Maureen Brainard-Barnes - Jasmine - 7/9/2007 - vanished from Manhattan (bus station or hotel)
Melissa Barthelemy - Chloe - 7/12/2009 - vanished from the Bronx (underhill Ave)
Shannon Gilbert - Sabrina - 5/1/2010 - vanished from Oak Beach on LI (the Fairway)
Megan Waterman - Lexy - 6/6/2010 - vanished from Hauppage (Holiday Inn Express)
Amber Lynn Costello - Carolina - 9/2/2010 - vanished from N Babylon

It's interesting to me that of the Craigslist ladies, the only one where we have the actual "john's" address is the one who cannot be found....

if Brewer wasn't the killer, why did the killer deviate from his disposal habits with Gilbert only?

I would add Jessica Taylor, 7/21/2003, disappeared from Port Authority Bus Terminal.

Also Tanya Rush, around 6/26/2008, disappeared from Brooklyn. Can somebody who subscribes to Newsday look at this article and tell us if it has any more information? http://www.linews.us/2011/04/gilgo-cases-just-latest-li-unsolved-murders/

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[Sillybilly]

...Makes you wonder if the SK is a teacher and has the summers off ...

I've been mulling the possibility of a teacher as well Kaytom:

MBB - Monday 7/9/2007 (summer vacation)
MB - Sunday 7/12/2009 (summer vacation)
SG - Saturday 5/1/2010 (weekend)
MW - Sunday 6/6/2010 (weekend)
ALC - Thursday 9/2/2010 (weekday prior to start of school)

Couple of long-shots here, but possibly ALC's attire was a requested "teeny-bopper" look. Also, there is an interesting google coincidence related to the AC composite that TOS won't allow me to post. Best i can give is I'm considering the phone call to SG's mom could be someone that does know PH, and the phone call claiming to be PH might be part of a mind game that contains a hint to the perp's identity. Like i said, it's a long shot for lack of anything more substantial.

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't know when the following interview with GC was done (GC is warmly dressed and there is some snow on the ground). His house is behind him, but over his right shoulder there are men at work on a building that appears to be in the early stages of construction. The contactor sign on the building appears to be Darius (or Clarius?). It's in such close proximity to where SG was last seen, that hopefully LE has checked with that firm to determine if the building was under construction at the time of SG's disappearance, and what sub-contractors may have been involved in that construction site.

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