Sidebar Discussion #10

[noor]

Thats exactly how it happened...said he posted here under some name...cant remember.

There are some serious accusations on Joses' part in this book let me tell you. Not only that but I like how he coaxes FCA to tell him GA molested her by suggestion. He starts by bringing up Lee and what he heard and than tells her "where did he learn that from" she says "who do you think" he says how many times did your father molest you....there it was...give FCA a good story and a pity party and there you have it. Jose really, truly believes this theory, the pool, GA being there and burying Caylee etc... he said all the evidence backed it up, KC telling him she was home that day after GA left for work, the pings say yes its true except "the area" is not necessarily the house, she did bury her in the woods near the house, probably scouted where to go in a panic. I have to say Jose bought it all hook, line and sinker, stupid, stupid man. He never approached Cindy with this accusation of molestation when he heard it from FCA in prison.He called GA to his office with CM and asked him point blank and GA said nothing really. The man was probably depleated from his daughters lies but Jose claims its cause he is guilty...please Jose, you're no specialist in peoples reactions as we can see from what you bought from FCA. Why didnt he vere ask Cindy about it?

BMM
Jose writes in the book that he GA to the office, and that CM was there.
It's an other lie!

Conway told GA that the defense was going to do this to him.
Not Baez!
So him saying that GA sat there with his head down, not saying anything, never ever happened.
It's just an other "good" story.

ETA: It's in Jeff Ashton's book, I believe JA above Jose.

 

[2goldfish]

Defendant? No, I was focused on the, evi, errrr, lack of evidence. I, like justice, am blind to who the actual defendant is.

none so blind as those who refuse to see, eh, rossva?

 

[atthelake]

The discussion groups seemed very quiet this morning..

Not for long!

 

[ynotdivein]

I made you guys a present:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8195226#post8195226"]Fact-Checking "Presumed Guilty" by Jose Baez ***LIST ONLY, NO DISCUSSION***[/ame]

 

[2goldfish]

I made you guys a present:

Fact-Checking "Presumed Guilty" by Jose Baez ***LIST ONLY, NO DISCUSSION***

BRILLIANT. can we get a list of posters willing to fact-find? I'll....get the book somehow...if I have to....if it's for the sole purpose of proving him wrong where ever possible.

 

[grammieto5]

Could someone tell me what a Juris Doctor degree is?

 

[TorisMom003]

If someone is willing to post some of the carp in the book I am more than willing to find the correct information and post it. However, I can not bring myself to buy the book. My library doesn't carry any copies of it either.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

my snip, big bold by me...


that is 100% what he is doing and always has been! his talk, talk, talk about people basing their opinions off the media is ALL EMPTY just like his head IMO JMO


additionally, HE KNOWS WE ALL READ THE DOCS. he mentions WS by name in his book! he deliberately attempts to insult us, and denigrate the memory of a MURDERED LITTLE GIRL in order to WHAT?? I dont know!!! he has no reason to open his mouth at all!

you cant change reality JB! we ALL read ALL the docs, we know all of the facts, and what is more, we know them better than you! I'm GLAD you're insulted at us laughing at your stupid motions that werent worth the paper they were printed on!

that STUPID VERDICT and your HORRIBLE CLIENT and your SMARMY attitude and your crappy book of LIES will NEVER change the absolute facts of this case, and I hope you're realllllly proud of yourself that you managed to fool 12 people stupider than you, and a few thousand others besides, because otherwise? the rest of us know all about you, and all about your heartless murderer of a client. you have no power to change ANY of that.


MOO JMO IMO etc etc

What, pray tell, did he have to say about WS? TIA!

 

[TorisMom003]

Could someone tell me what a Juris Doctor degree is?

The degree awarded to an individual upon the successful completion of law school.

Juris doctor, or doctor of Jurisprudence, commonly abbreviated J.D., is the degree commonly conferred by law schools. It is required in all states except California (which includes an option called law office study) to gain Admission to the Bar. Gaining admission to the bar means obtaining a license to practice law in a particular state or in federal court.

Link for the above:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Juris+doctorate

 

[atthelake]

Wow! How timely as AZLawyer said just yesterday that more stuff she has that was never available will be uploaded soon to the archives!

I made you guys a present:

Fact-Checking "Presumed Guilty" by Jose Baez ***LIST ONLY, NO DISCUSSION***

 

[TorisMom003]

Yes, I'm a thread hog.....lol

Someone appears to be buying up some of the books again. The numbers have improved slightly again since the last time they were posted.

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1,216 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
#2 in Books > Law > Criminal Law
#20 in Books > Biographies & Memoirs > True Accounts > Murder & Mayhem

 

[rossva]

Blind or not, one can not see what is not there.

none so blind as those who refuse to see, eh, rossva?

 

[Noddy]

If someone is willing to post some of the carp in the book I am more than willing to find the correct information and post it. However, I can not bring myself to buy the book. My library doesn't carry any copies of it either.

I also can't bring myself to buy the book. I had a physical reaction when I checked for the price in my e-books catalog. In Canada it's over $18. It made me angry and can't imagine paying that for it and my library doesn't carry it. I'd like to help find the correct information though as I've saved quite a few of the doc dumps.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Because he knew it wasn't true! JB made the defence all by himself & KC ran with it when her dad gave her permission on the stand by saying "he would do anything to protect his daughter" IMO JB got GA to say that to prove to KC that her dad would back her on this horrible accusation.
If you remember after JB spewed his opening statement & then called GA up to the stand, KC was bawling. IMO she really believed her dad would cover for her.
When GA denied it all KC was so angry & full of hate for him through out the rest of the trial. I know alot won't see it as I do, but it certainly fits.
JB made it all about sex cause he knows sex sells. Sick....

Just want to add that JB knew he had the perfect defence - if GA covered for KC & said he was guilty he won, if GA denied it everyone would think he was guilty.

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... I think I have some neurons firing.

GA saying that on the stand baffled me, because JB at that time was trying to put to the jury that GA worked with the police to get information from Casey. The whole thing made no sense. But then JB turned around and used GA as the scapegoat. Could that testimony on the stand by George have been Jose's legal cover...i.e., he could henceforth say anything about George, implicate George and not worry about George ever coming back on him for things he says???? It would explain why no action from George on this garbage.

IOW, kind of like a "legal" (stretching here) agreement between George and Jose...."George, you swore in court that you would do anything to save your daughter, and you gave me permission to do this.."

 

[logicalgirl]

If someone is willing to post some of the carp in the book I am more than willing to find the correct information and post it. However, I can not bring myself to buy the book. My library doesn't carry any copies of it either.

I am willing also to look up links but I refuse to read the carp or even borrow it from our library - not that they have it of course....:maddening:

 

[grammieto5]

The degree awarded to an individual upon the successful completion of law school.

Juris doctor, or doctor of Jurisprudence, commonly abbreviated J.D., is the degree commonly conferred by law schools. It is required in all states except California (which includes an option called law office study) to gain Admission to the Bar. Gaining admission to the bar means obtaining a license to practice law in a particular state or in federal court.

Link for the above:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Juris+doctorate

So it's a real degree, not just an honorary one?

 

[logicalgirl]

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... I think I have some neurons firing.

GA saying that on the stand baffled me, because JB at that time was trying to put to the jury that GA worked with the police to get information from Casey. The whole thing made no sense. But then JB turned around and used GA as the scapegoat. Could that testimony on the stand by George have been Jose's legal cover...i.e., he could henceforth say anything about George, implicate George and not worry about George ever coming back on him for things he says???? It would explain why no action from George on this garbage.

IOW, kind of like a "legal" (stretching here) agreement between George and Jose...."George, you swore in court that you would do anything to save your daughter, and you gave me permission to do this.."

George made that statement on March 3, 2011, long before the question of sexual abuse was ever even mentioned. It was during one of the initial hearings. While many posters believe GA "went along with it" I will never believe it until someone can some me something more than a statement from a worried parent who is afraid his guilty daughter will be put to death rather than given a LWOP sentence. I feel quite sure Baez constantly pressured both CA and GA with the death penalty information because even he thought she would be found guilty.

By the way, does he mention the incompetency motion that was a last ditch effort towards the end of the trial in his book?

 

[TorisMom003]

So it's a real degree, not just an honorary one?

The way I read it it is a real degree that one gets when you graduate law school. I'm not a lawyer though so it's JMO.

 

[zippitydoda]

I'm in... I'll post quotes later tonight and you all can have at it -

 

[krkrjx]

George made that statement on March 3, 2011, long before the question of sexual abuse was ever even mentioned. It was during one of the initial hearings. While many posters believe GA "went along with it" I will never believe it until someone can some me something more than a statement from a worried parent who is afraid his guilty daughter will be put to death rather than given a LWOP sentence. I feel quite sure Baez constantly pressured both CA and GA with the death penalty information because even he thought she would be found guilty.

By the way, does he mention the incompetency motion that was a last ditch effort towards the end of the trial in his book?

George messed up big time being in the murderer's court in the beginning. By the time George realized Caylee was worth much much more than Casey could ever be, it was too late to be of much benefit to the victim Caylee, because his testimony at trial was restrained by what he had said under oath long before the trial started. If he strayed from what he had initially testified to, his testimony would be impeached.

I can understand the legal reason behind that, for the most part. What I don't get is this: If a person makes a statement in a deposition or other situation under oath on a day in 2008 for example...then the start of the trial is delayed over and over to, let's say 2011...why are their statements from two or three years earlier written in granite? In many cases new evidence might come available or a person may remember important info that had slipped their mind initially. As is, it sounds like anything a person says or does can be used against them even if they are not a suspected perp. It sounds to me like one is not allowed to change their mind even in the face of new facts that might shed a different light on any given situation. JMO, IMO, and all that...