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And in line with this train of thought as we all know by now burlap is super abundant in these local beach communities.
 
fieldnotes said:
And in line with this train of thought as we all know by now burlap is super abundant in these local beach communities.
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I'm not sure how it's particularly abundant in beach communities. On the south shore of Long Island, up until the 70s and early 80s, burlap was common because clammers used it (and reused it) to carry their harvest into the weigh station - the Great South Bay pretty much has dried up in the clam department, though, and that industry is gone. Long Island has long had potato farms on its eastern end and, of course, burlap is used for potato sacks:
http://www.ssww.com/item/burlap-potato-sacks-W4537/

Burlap is also used by landscapers and gardeners as a ground cover for newly seeded areas. Burlap bags are also how cartel cocaine producers ship their product:
http://www.wivb.com/dpps/news/offbeat/beach-jogger-finds-bricks-of-cocaine-_3902495

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2000-03-17/news/0003170149_1_cocaine-bale-caribbean
 
fieldnotes said:
Here's a very unscientific and unverified account but if you go here:

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-burlap.htm

and scroll down to last comment you'll see the following description to help put it in perspective:

Burlap really does decompose very well. I recently found the remnants of some old burlap potato bags in my backyard, and they were almost gone.
My mother had put the bags out there because she knew that they would return to the earth eventually. After a few rainy weeks and days of hot sunshine, the burlap had already started to turn to dirt.
After a few months, I tugged on a small section of the bag, and only a few fibers pulled up from the earth, followed by dirt that seemed new. I knew that the dirt was mostly made of burlap.
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That is very interesting. And your right we will never know what kind of burlap it was and at what rate it could have decomposed. The amount of decomposition is probably why the police are unable to trace the burlap back to anywhere. (That's merely my opinion)
 
PreciousDust said:
.....Burlap is also used by landscapers and gardeners as a ground cover for newly seeded areas.
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i think the original reports of it being burlap bag were based on a lose description of one of the le officers at the scene close by--seems more likely it's this type--BUT if it is a burlap bag, i would say more the type used in fairs, the kind on the slide ride
 
Philadelphia forensic sculptor Frank Bender has spent a lifetime helping police solve unspeakable crimes, contouring in clay the faces of murder victims -- those without identities, whose families have never come to claim or weep for them.

His meticulously painted busts have led to the prosecution of fugitive killers for the FBI, Scotland Yard and even the television crime show "America's Most Wanted." He helped nail Colombia crime lord Alphonse Perisco and Warlocks motorcycle chieftain Robert Nauss.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/frank-...-carolina-child/story?id=9800993#.UO0WvXfb7SM
 
This falls under hodge-podge but not necessarily LISK related...

I "think" I read something online about NY State Park offices/officers AND the NY State Police offices/officers merging in 1980. Am I correct about this, and what exactly merged?

Also, does anyone know the outcome of these old cases?

1964 torsos found
Body of Woman Discovered In the Sand at Jones Beach
$3.95 - New York Times - Nov 14, 1964
The partly body of a woman about 40 years old was found today' in the sand at Jones Beach State Park. The legs had 'been severed below the knees and arL arm ... Related web pages

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Police Identify 2 Torsos; Link in Deaths Discounted
$3.95 - New York Times - Nov 17, 1964
The torsos of two women, one found last Friday at Jones Beach State Park, the second found Sunday ... The identification of the first l body was tentative. ...

Police Identify 2 Torsos; Link in Deaths Discounted


http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...le007.shtml?print=1+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
fieldnotes said:
Here is another important article with a description of the burlap.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...odies-key-role-for-officer-and-dog.html?_r=1&


On Dec. 11, he returned, this time venturing west. He said he stuck close to the shoulder of the parkway, because the vegetation was so thick and because data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation showed that when bodies were dumped, most were disposed of about 30 feet from the road. That afternoon, shortly before 3 p.m., Blue picked up a scent on the parkway.
“The tail starts wagging; he’s making adjustments with his head,” Officer Mallia said, adding, “There was some burlap, and most of the skeleton was there.”
That discovery — the skeletal remains of a woman in a nearly disintegrated burlap sack — would be the first of several grisly finds the police would make off Ocean Parkway.
Two days later, Officer Mallia and Blue returned to the area in the morning to help homicide investigators collect evidence. But about 500 feet from the first body, the officer found a second body wrapped in burlap. Officer Mallia made that discovery alone, since Blue was still in the car.

Still not sure it's completely clear the burlap was unequally degraded to the point we (us watching from the outside) can say with certainty that the GB4 were dropped individually or all at once between Sept and Dec of 2010.
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So, the second body was 500 feet from the first, and therefore, in the medias mind, they were all spaced 500 feet apart?
 
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hi the upper right corner of this triangle interests me. I have had the idea that the area of the ridge manorville pine barrens fires, (which were arson as confirmed at 7th precinct neighborhood meeting), is involved. As a set of created fires with accelerants used, they would cover any DNA left somewhere or any remains For instance, a shed or abandoned building in the area used as a place to do what he wanted. I am looking into where the fire burned and previous google earth photos to see where there were buildings.
 
When I think of burlap sack I think of construction,shipping and landscaping.
 
jessica- said:
When I think of burlap sack I think of construction,shipping and landscaping.
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WHEN I think of Burlap I think of a POI that I have been alluding to was arrested some years ago and the police found a burlap bag on the back seat of his car. What does that mean other than perhaps adding a drop of information to look further.
 
Justiceforever said:
I was rereading this article in GQ
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2011-11/18/gq-comment-long-island-serial-killer
and I noticed something I hadn't read before (at least as far as I can remember )

"Pak waited outside in his car while Gilbert, wearing a blonde wig, leather jacket and jeans, went inside."

Was she wearing a blonde wig?! Was it ever found?
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The wig has never been commented on publicly by any LE. I have asked that question for 18 months now.
 
inspctrgadget said:
Just throwing this out there. Ran across is today and seemed relevant, but probably a long shot.


http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2001/16/20010420-archive202.html

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Tr...lang=en-US&w=a4cRJD2NvUoHzuN8qcn0hXW-wPSjDiNm

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q="e...lang=en-US&w=SOhrb56DB-B5D-NL28yyG1KBRoqzeyVP
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Now we have to wait till we know more about the remains from article 1. But this seems so unspecific for a single signature.
 
I am a little confused. I ran accros this article that I don't ever remember reading before. It refers to human remains found on LI in additon to SG and ten others. Can someone tell me who this is? Did I miss something?

"The same police department has been involved in the discovery of at least 10 other sets of human remains about 40 miles from the latest site."

"The remains were found Friday by a man who was walking his dog in a heavily wooded area about 300 feet from a road in Manorville, police said. The grounds are the Upton Ecological Reserve."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/18/justice/new-york-bodies/index.html
 
Justiceforever said:
I am a little confused. I ran accros this article that I don't ever remember reading before. It refers to human remains found on LI in additon to SG and ten others. Can someone tell me who this is? Did I miss something?

"The same police department has been involved in the discovery of at least 10 other sets of human remains about 40 miles from the latest site."

"The remains were found Friday by a man who was walking his dog in a heavily wooded area about 300 feet from a road in Manorville, police said. The grounds are the Upton Ecological Reserve."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/18/justice/new-york-bodies/index.html
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It was a man...we discussed this at length on one of the threads...maybe possible victims. If I'm not mistaken, there was a blueberry bush growing over and maybe through the remains. One month later, Pura Simancas was dumped, by her friends, in Manorville.
 
Just K said:
It was a man...we discussed this at length on one of the threads...maybe possible victims. If I'm not mistaken, there was a blueberry bush growing over and maybe through the remains. One month later, Pura Simancas was dumped, by her friends, in Manorville.
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Thanks Just K. I vaugely remember disscussion of a blueberry bush. I'll have to go back and reread it.
 
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