***Day 3 -Committal Hearing*** 11th,12,13th March 2013

[BJsleuth]

Haven't seen it so can't commet on that. This Friday is against bullying.. Wear orange.

Hold your horses here.. I think OW could give a talk on resliemcy.
Pathways may be having a group with proceeds going to their prefered charity.

Are you suggesting i'm a bully Flinders?

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

What surprises me is that GBC wanted to enter politics. I'm surprised, given his history and supposed flings. Not a great candidate in my eyes, particularly given how politicians and their private lives are scrutinised so much nowadays.

Aaah, Strangeworld, I have first hand experience that it's not as uncommon as you may think. You'd probably be very surprised at what goes on behind closed doors with politicians and wannabe politicians! I was! :/

 

[justice4allison]

I also wanted to add....at one point, Wells was talking in very general terms about the varying degrees of force applied to the skin by the 'implement' (ie. being very non-specific) which could explain the irregularity in depth & width of the wounds. The whole time he was talking he was demonstrating his point with a clawed hand up in the air, pushing it back & forward. Even when our mouths are being diplomatic, our bodies can say something very different! I believe he is quite certain what caused the wounds but has to concede that it is possible that they were caused by other means.

 

[Flinders]

Are you suggesting i'm a bully Flinders?

:floorlaugh:

No. Just saying..

 

[ActusReus]

One thing I've noticed with today's evidence - the defence seem to have stopped pushing the whole suicide thing. Perhaps the expert testimony that the levels were consistent with normal therapeutic dose has blown that line right out of the water?

Wonder what line they will come up with as their definitive defence when this goes to trial, as I'm sure it will?

It appears to me that the defence are trying to discredit the financial motive. If GBC bought Ms Frosts business share for $1 then the debt is cleared. Likewise if an agreement was struck with Mr Broom to walk away with no liability then this debt is also cleared.

Clearly there is alot more to the financial side of this case but I'd chalk these two witnesses up for the defence rather than the prosecution.

In the greater scheme of things it probably won't matter too much as the only way for him to avoid trial is to plead guilty.

 

[marlywings]

Can't find it. Where is the link.

The news video of OW should be online shortly at the following link...

http://ten.com.au/ten-news-brisbane.htm

 

[BJsleuth]

:floorlaugh:

No. Just saying..

:floorlaugh: I have just the outfit for it!

 

[Ippygal]

Can't find it. Where is the link.

Sorry I just saw it on ch 10 news at 5

 

[marlywings]

OW comments:


Marissa Calligeros: (Live from the Baden-Clay hearing) Mr Baden-Clay's sister Olivia Walton has spoken outside the court.

Here's what she said: "I’m here this afternoon because I believe that my brother, Gerard is an innocent man and I’m here because I continue to support him.

"What has been overlooked by the media in this terrible tragedy is that Allison was my friend, she was my sister-in-law and I love her.

"My family and I miss her and we grieve for her on a daily basis.

"My husband and I have lived our lives committed to the truth. We implore the police to investigate every avenue so that there is no miscarriage of justice in this case. Contrary to media reports, I have fully and willingly um cooperated with police at all times throughout their investigation. I have provided a formal statement and several interviews. I believe to my knowledge that other members of my family have done the same.

"We believe that Gerard is an innocent man. I’m afraid I can’t take your questions. Thank You very much for your time."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-march-13-20130313-2fzbs.html#ixzz2NP4rkTkv

 

[Radster]

JF seemed to blame the downfall of the partnership on TM. Was she meaning that he was distracted, spending too much time and/or money on her? I would love to know what JF meant by that statement.

Maybe, because TM was also part of the business for some of the affair time, there was a feeling TM might be getting preferential treatment among the salespeople? Things can get pretty heated and competitive among real estate salespeople when it comes to commission entitlements.

 

[Sleuthilicious]

Yeah, that bugged me a little. What right do business partners have to give, what appears to be an ultimatum regarding the personal life of a business partner? It was affecting the business somehow, clearly but in what way?

Maybe it was also a conflict of interest business-wise as she was one of their agents? Also perhaps there were concerns of them having their affair during business hours and in clients properties?

 

[Flinders]

:floorlaugh: I have just the outfit for it!

Please let it be orange on Friday for against bullying

 

[marlywings]

Maybe, because TM was also part of the business for some of the affair time, there was a feeling TM might be getting preferential treatment among the salespeople? Things can get pretty heated and competitive among real estate salespeople when it comes to commission entitlements.

Yes it was reported some felt she was receiving preferential treatment.

May 20, 2012

On one occasion staff reported spotting Mr Baden-Clay leaving Ms McHugh's residence after-hours.

As the suspected relationship became a frequent discussion topic, there was disquiet over perceptions Ms McHugh received preferential treatment with new property listings.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ague-toni-mchugh/story-e6freuy9-1226361120004

 

[Champagne4lulu]

It appears to me that the defence are trying to discredit the financial motive. If GBC bought Ms Frosts business share for $1 then the debt is cleared. Likewise if an agreement was struck with Mr Broom to walk away with no liability then this debt is also cleared.

Clearly there is alot more to the financial side of this case but I'd chalk these two witnesses up for the defence rather than the prosecution.

In the greater scheme of things it probably won't matter too much as the only way for him to avoid trial is to plead guilty.

Just wondering when the $1 payment was? Was it after allison went missing? If so, it's irrelevant isn't it? Because before she went missing the debt was there and he was desperately trying to raise funds to pay it. If it all went spectacularly south after she went missing, it was only because of this fact. Of course if this was happening while she was still alive then I see your point.

Sorry just not sure when the timing was on this. Does anyone know?

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

Maybe, because TM was also part of the business for some of the affair time, there was a feeling TM might be getting preferential treatment among the salespeople? Things can get pretty heated and competitive among real estate salespeople when it comes to commission entitlements.

Yep, I think so. There's even a link for that.

As the suspected relationship became a frequent discussion topic, there was disquiet over perceptions Ms McHugh received preferential treatment with new property listings. See more: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ague-toni-mchugh/story-e6freuy9-1226361120004

EDIT - Marly beat me to it!

 

[Trooper]

nobody buys out for a $1 from a thriving business. This franchise was going south at warp speed... Toni was but one factor, but an irritating factor in amongst the rest of the real problem. first, there is money coming in. but oddly, people dont get paid. then there is no money coming in and people are liable for immense debt.

WHERE DID THAT MONEY GO TO!!..

ah ... roll on the forensic accountant. I honestly believe that we can safely say, how would a fool cook the books?? I bet thats what the forensic accountant began with. Test out the most stupid scheme and up it from there, because Gerard seemed to believe that 1 & 1 would make 5, by the sheer force of his personality. .. conversely, debt would mean 5 - 8 would = 2+

he was a fiscal nincompoop.

 

[Thinking]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou


At some point Gerard was leaving his wife to be with Toni, at other points he was leaving Toni to be with his wife - Mr Broom. #badenclay

I wonder how much Allison really knew about all these deliberations about her life and future. I feel for her so much. How can OW defend her brother in these circumstances, whether she believes he killed her or not. Despicable.

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

Just wondering when the $1 payment was? Was it after allison went missing? If so, it's irrelevant isn't it? Because before she went missing the debt was there and he was desperately trying to raise funds to pay it. If it all went spectacularly south after she went missing, it was only because of this fact. Of course if this was happening while she was still alive then I see your point.

Sorry just not sure when the timing was on this. Does anyone know?

I have 'heard' the business went 'spectacularly south' (love your wording there), after ABC went missing. Real Estate (and a lot of other types of business) has been a lot slower since 2008 than it was prior - but I 'heard' that clients started heading for the woods in droves from GBC's business, once the talk of GBC possibly being responsible for ABC's disappearance got out.

 

[Jo04]

If I had a brother, he calls me in the early morning and tells me his wife is missing. When I got there and seen the injuries discribed today. There would be no way in hell I would think he's innocent. I would defently think he would've had something to do with it. OW is telling porkies IMO.

 

[Inspector]

If I had a brother, he calls me in the early morning and tells me his wife is missing. When I got there and seen the injuries discribed today. There would be no way in hell I would think he's innocent. I would defently think he would've had something to do with it. OW is telling porkies IMO.

The most remarkable thing is the absence of her plea to find the "real killer". What does OW think? GBC is innocent, but has she even considered what else this assumption entails? :waitasec: all she seems to voice is her concerns about a miscarriage of justice...