Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

[ArianeEmory]

I realize at this point we're debating a fine point that's almost certainly purely academic, but I promise that with (at the very least) current iOS devices and current iOS versions you are prompted whether to enable Location Services the first time you set up the device.

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/ios_5_new_iphone_ipad_setup

I'm not trying to "win" here, I just set up new iOS devices all the time at my job.

 

[hopingforjustice]

I was referring to Location Services, and my original answer to the question "is it on by default?" still stands:

By "default" you are prompted whether you want to enable Location Services the first time you set up an iOS device.

I'm not talking about iCloud, or the ability to turn Location Services on or off after the fact. Just the "default" state...which is whatever you set it to the first time you set the device up.

Just my input on this...upon purchasing an iphone.
the way Iphone uses data is EXTREMELY taxing on your data package. If you leave all your apps (ie: maps, find me, etc) it eats up your data very quickly and you end up with very costly bills..

I myself have all location services disabled on my phone for just that reason.

There is absolutely no cause for criticism or his ipad not having that app enabled.

And as for Rogers...evidently most of you have never dealt with them. They are the strictest, most anal company that I have ever had to deal with. I thoroughly "get" the response he got from them. They are all "robots" on the phone. Scripted responses and no exceptions.

 

[ArianeEmory]

(For what it's worth, my post had absolutely no other implications or judgements of anyone for using or not using Location Services. I was just offering information on a technical point on something I run into almost daily.)

 

[bessie]

It sounds like he didn't know how to use iCloud which comes on all iPads and doesn't require locator service normally turned off by default to be turned on. Turning the locator service on can be done via accessing iCloud using another device. So what he would do is log onto his iCloud account, turn on Find My iPad, then click to find the iPad from there and lock it. There is also an option using this method to wipe the iPad clean (erase all data) which can be restored via iCloud in the event the iPad is recovered. The whole procedure is really quite simple requiring only his Apple ID and password.

Now, the issue with Rogers sounds a bit off. If it is his iPad and his Rogers account then they can give him that information without a subpoena. We had a problem with data usage being shown during the time we were in flight. They had no problem revealing that data information as well as reversing the charges. I don't know how long they keep logs for though. At any rate, if LB was using the iPad, she could easily have done so without using his Rogers account as well as his or her's SIM card so there would be nothing for Rogers to reveal anyway.

Yours was a different situation. You asked for explanation of charges after you received a bill. I believe the flag was raised when SL revealed the iPad was in the possession of another person, and asked Rogers to "track" it, which boils down to tracing an individual's whereabouts. Had he known better, he could have reported it stolen, as parcheesy suggested, (but then iPad and iPhone theft is so common, his claim might have gone to the back of a long line).

I knew a man once who loaned his car to a younger family member. When the family member didn't return after a day, he reported the car stolen. Not because he was worried about the car, but because he figured a stolen car would demand quicker attention than a missing adult. It worked for him, too. The car and the relative were located. He took a risk by filing a false report, and he had to do some finagling to finally convince the police it was a misunderstanding, but to him it was worth the trouble to have his family member home safe and sound.

 

[MamaDukes]

There's a significant difference between having your own pet while living at your parent's place and caring for said pet when you're out and about on your own. She'd have left pooch with her family because she found someplace to live that doesn't allow pets or, more likely, imo, because she went to the States - didn't her friends say she might have gone to Las Vegas? (no, i don't have a link at hand) or even Europe. You can't be crossing borders with a pet that doesn't have all the requisite shots and papers, etc. all of which costs money and time.

As far as the LE obligue reference to "other contacts" following the DM phone records, there are obviously other ways to be in touch with somebody than by phone. Given that LE mentioned her online escort presence, one assumes that the link to additional person or persons was made through investigating that angle - who had she seen and when - and possibly even interviewing clients, IMO.

One of her friends posted on a website, and someone else replied that she may be in Vegas, imho, that was a troll, and LB's friends were too innocent & naive to recognize it as such

 

[parcheesy]

I also wondered why, if it was SL's iPad and also his sim card, why Rogers would even need a subpoena to track it. He would be asking for information on his own products.

*You would think that was enough. Maybe if SL's ipad had been treated as 'stolen', he would have only needed the police report, instead of subpena for Rogers?I know it's not quite the same but here is what happened to me with a stolen laptop:

I had a new Acer laptop stolen from me 2.5 years ago. I figured the only thing I could do was to at least make sure the manufacturer did not give any warranty service\updates to the thief! lol!! So I contacted Acer to tell them about the theft. They needed a copy of the police report, serial number and proof of purchase to flag it ( http://acer.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/84/~/what-do-i-do-if-my-product-is-stolen? ). I had the last two item but, although I had reported the theft, in order to get a copy of the police report, I would have had to pay a significant amount of $$ to the police. As I was not making an insurance claim for the computer theft, I did not end up bothering with getting a police report copy or reporting to Acer. It's not like it would have really been tracked and it's not like I had any hope of getting it back by reporting it to Acer.

 

[broken_angel]

Just my input on this...upon purchasing an iphone.
the way Iphone uses data is EXTREMELY taxing on your data package. If you leave all your apps (ie: maps, find me, etc) it eats up your data very quickly and you end up with very costly bills..

I myself have all location services disabled on my phone for just that reason.

There is absolutely no cause for criticism or his ipad not having that app enabled.

And as for Rogers...evidently most of you have never dealt with them. They are the strictest, most anal company that I have ever had to deal with. I thoroughly "get" the response he got from them. They are all "robots" on the phone. Scripted responses and no exceptions.

This is likely why location services can be toggled on or off on a per app basis.

As for Rogers...we have had cell phone coverage with them since 1990 and continue to use them so have had amble opportunity to deal with themWe have not found your description of them to be the case although they can have their moments. Again, they can disclose to SL information regarding data usage on his account and his SIM card to him, the consumer of their services. Reading through, that is not what SL was asking them to do. He was asking them to help find his iPad something he could have done himself or someone with knowledge how to use iCloud could have done. While iCloud came out in Canada in 2011, LB did not go missing until 2012. Any iPad updates between the time of purchase and the time LB went missing would have included iCloud if it wasn't already on the iPad, although it should have been. On the facebook page he was asking a hacker to do the same thing with an offer to locate the iPad using iTunes. Either way, there were methods to find the iPad with location services turned off on the device.

There is more to the subpoena issue as it was his account he was inquiring about. But again he was after Rogers finding his iPad not what had been done on the iPad the way I read it. Rogers isn't in the business of finding lost iPads or tracking where they are. Had he simply asked for the data log for a particular period, they likely would have given it to him without a problem.

 

[broken_angel]

One of her friends posted on a website, and someone else replied that she may be in Vegas, imho, that was a troll, and LB's friends were too innocent & naive to recognize it as such

I read through that website and the person posted indicated a particular club. There were similarities between the recently released photo of LB and two girls on the site with one of them a stronger possibility from a layperson's eyes. This information may or may not have been a troll, it may have been meant for the friends or something more sinister, but at this point any angle needs to be checked if it helps find LB. Vegas is the perfect spot to go into hiding in plain sight.

 

[jash]

I read through that website and the person posted indicated a particular club. There were similarities between the recently released photo of LB and two girls on the site with one of them a stronger possibility from a layperson's eyes. This information may or may not have been a troll, it may have been meant for the friends or something more sinister, but at this point any angle needs to be checked if it helps find LB. Vegas is the perfect spot to go into hiding in plain sight.

If LB went to Vegas (or anywhere else outside of the country), wouldn't LE be able to find out from the Canadian Border Services Agency?

 

[canadiangirl]

If LB went to Vegas (or anywhere else outside of the country), wouldn't LE be able to find out from the Canadian Border Services Agency?

Unless she drove or was stowed away in one of DM's trailers to cross the border.
Long shot I know. But people are smuggled across the border all the time. Fake ID's etc.

 

[matou]

Where was DM immediately after her disappearance? Was he on a trip? We know he purchased the incinerator.

 

[THXGuru]

If LB went to Vegas (or anywhere else outside of the country), wouldn't LE be able to find out from the Canadian Border Services Agency?

Yes that would be right, if LB legally crossed the border, LE would be able to figure it out. Furthermore, if LB got a legit job somewhere, she would be able to be tracked by SIN# as well. And finally, if she received any legit medical help, she would be able to be tracked as well.

LE said she was an internet escort, this means that she was using the internet to track clients...LE should be able to track down past clients etc. What they are essentially doing is trying to trace the last steps she made, where was she, what was she doing....<modnsip>

 

[broken_angel]

If LB went to Vegas (or anywhere else outside of the country), wouldn't LE be able to find out from the Canadian Border Services Agency?

CBSA would only know if LB tried to re-enter Canada. Those leaving Canada are not normally checked by CBSA; they are checked by the United States Border Patrol (USBP). To enter the US legally you need a valid passport, enhanced driver's license, I-68, or Nexas. USBP will run your document through their computers so there is a record that you entered the US but not one that says you left Canada. To enter the US illegally, there are many methods with one of the easiest and least suspicious is by boat. The time of year LB went missing would be good timing for the arrival in the US after a day of swimming exchange method. Crossing at a checkpoint may be too risky but then if LB had the proper documentation she could have crossed legally with only USBP having a record of which LE would need the cooperation of USBP to disclose that information :moo:

 

[cansleuther]

<modsnip>

<modsnip> LE stated that they searched the farm because of a tip they received, although we do not know what the tip was or who tipped them.

LE are also certain that LB had contact with at least one person other than DM after July 3 (the last date she had contact with DM) whether it be through email or text (records of which were not shown on the phone bill).

At this point, IMO, finding out anything concerning LB's disappearance is paramount. Perhaps it is time to start exploring some other avenues that lead to LB's disappearance instead of just trying to tie it to DM.

 

[cansleuther]

Also, this was posted yesterday but unfortunately it was lost amid discussion about the iPad.

LB's aunt mentioned that LB visited a strip club called Treasures in Mississauga prior to her disappearance. The website for the club appears to no longer be active, and another website says Treasures is now called Café Atlantis (which does have a working website).

I found a disturbing article from 2010 about a young woman forced into the sex trade - and Treasures just happens to be the club she worked at.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/06/20/14456366.html

 

[broken_angel]

Yes that would be right, if LB legally crossed the border, LE would be able to figure it out. Furthermore, if LB got a legit job somewhere, she would be able to be tracked by SIN# as well. And finally, if she received any legit medical help, she would be able to be tracked as well.

LE said she was an internet escort, this means that she was using the internet to track clients...LE should be able to track down past clients etc. What they are essentially doing is trying to trace the last steps she made, where was she, what was she doing....<modsnip>

The sad thing is LB is an adult who according to LE was involved in a risky lifestyle which doesn't appear to have been known to LE until recently. LE were not concerned about finding her until DM was arrested and the cell phone connection revisited. It's been almost a year since she was last seen so if alive she is either in hiding with or without the aid of friends OR she is making a fresh start. That means if alive, she could be in Canada or anywhere else she had the means to go to. There is no evidence of foul play other than phone calls to DM a considerable time before DM was arrested. DM maintains his innocence and his lawyer says there is a story that will come out. So, sadly LE is really not all that interested in LB from my impression of the last pressr.

 

[THXGuru]

At this point, IMO, finding out anything concerning LB's disappearance is paramount. Perhaps it is time to start exploring some other avenues that lead to LB's disappearance instead of just trying to tie it to DM.

So, sadly LE is really not all that interested in LB from my impression of the last pressr.

I see what both of you are saying, I think LE are concerned and do what to find her, however, the problem I believe is that LE are really stumped and have no idea what has happened to her.

Kudos, to TPS for determining she was part of the sex industry, that does shed some light into the overall issue, anytime someone enters the sex industry, a number of other possibilities arise in what might of happened.

 

[bessie]

Also, this was posted yesterday but unfortunately it was lost amid discussion about the iPad.

LB's aunt mentioned that LB visited a strip club called Treasures in Mississauga prior to her disappearance. The website for the club appears to no longer be active, and another website says Treasures is now called Café Atlantis (which does have a working website).

I found a disturbing article from 2010 about a young woman forced into the sex trade - and Treasures just happens to be the club she worked at.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/06/20/14456366.html

Unfortunately, though mods are working literally around the clock in this forum, the facts are continually skewed, either unintentionally or otherwise. The iPad was an excellent example, and the discussion could not continue without sorting out the fact from the fiction.

 

[Archangel7]

If LB has SL's iPad she can be found. It would likely take a warrant or court order and specific equipment if she is only using public wifi.

 

[Sillybilly]

If LB has SL's iPad she can be found. It would likely take a warrant or court order and specific equipment if she is only using public wifi.

But I wonder how many phones are set up properly. This link is an example of someone thinking they had it right, couldn't locate their phone, and ultimately found out it involved a bit more than just turning Location Services on or off from within the "Settings" function:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2466268?start=0&tstart=0