Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #46

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Thanks alioop! Yes very interesting comparing the two cases with Justine's killer's sentence being for manslaughter & not murder.

I've copied your post over.
 
Liadan said:
So totally off topic marleywings - I am truly sorry but I cannot believe those poor little boys were just killed by a random suffocation by an agro escaped snake! I reckon there is more to that story - so hope that the truth surfaces. Snakes mash and masticate their prey to kill them. To me it doesn't add up!
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Is a terribly sad situation. However when I lived in North Qld we had many pythons and they were huge. They wrap themselves around their prey and that squeezes the stuffing out of them. We saw this a few times. We had one python one night who was trying to get into our birds cage but was far too big to get in. My ex grabbed the snake - it was well over a metre long and at least as wide as a saucer. It wrapped itself around my ex's leg and I had to help keep it untangled. In hindsight, I should have left the snake to him.
 
BreakingNews said:
Is a terribly sad situation. However when I lived in North Qld we had many pythons and they were huge. They wrap themselves around their prey and that squeezes the stuffing out of them. We saw this a few times. We had one python one night who was trying to get into our birds cage but was far too big to get in. My ex grabbed the snake - it was well over a metre long and at least as wide as a saucer. It wrapped itself around my ex's leg and I had to help keep it untangled. In hindsight, I should have left the snake to him.
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OK I grew up on the famous beaches of Australia in the old days. We had a beach front house which had snake imprints in the sand. Mum asked us this, are you bigger and taller than the snake? Yes, Mum. Well show respect, Jump over and by the way they are more scared than you.

I have a garden in a place where the snakes live but I laugh when CBD people were dazed that they live in the CBD and a snake is found.

Oh my goodness. The python is the only reptile that is odd. Pythons are lazy and a non predator. Gosh, you must have been scared!
 
Flinders said:
OK I grew up on the famous beaches of Australia in the old days. We had a beach front house which had snake imprints in the sand. Mum asked us this, are you bigger and taller than the snake? Yes, Mum. Well show respect, Jump over and by the way they are more scared than you.

I have a garden in a place where the snakes live but I laugh when CBD people were dazed that they live in the CBD and a snake is found.

Oh my goodness. The python is the only reptile that is odd. Pythons are lazy and a non predator. Gosh, you must have been scared!
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Flinders, I wasn't scared personally, only scared for our pets. I lived for over 20 years in python territory. Seen them eat wallabies, dogs etc and many animals squeezed to death. There is no such thing as a lazy or non-predator snake. The have to eat. Did you see Bondi Vet Chris trying to get the pythons out of the ceiling at a Cairns northern beach rowing club house a few years ago? He couldn't get them. They were so huge that the ceiling caved in. My ex had also been bitten by one, but that is not an issue - it's their squeezing that is dangerous.
 
KG1 said:
No. Not as far as is known. It is likely to be sometime in 2014.
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I am sure we all would like to see an earlier trial date, but looking on the bright side, he has been in prison for more than a year already.
 
whitechapel said:
I am sure we all would like to see an earlier trial date, but looking on the bright side, he has been in prison for more than a year already.
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However if he is found guilty they take time already served off the sentence.

I have an awful feeling that he will try to blame TM for Allison's murder. Or he will say it was a result of an argument gone wrong and plead manslaughter. My thoughts are that it will be solely the jury who decides his fate.

Hopefully its just the waiting that has affected my thinking.
 
whitechapel said:
I am sure we all would like to see an earlier trial date, but looking on the bright side, he has been in prison for more than a year already.
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Whenever I drive along the Ipswich Motorway past the correctional centre, the fact that GBC is in there gives me a small amount of comfort.
 
Just saw on Channel 7 news that case will go to court next year and trial is expected to last 5 weeks. No link as yet. But he's apparently going to plead not guilty.
 
BreakingNews said:
However if he is found guilty they take time already served off the sentence.

I have an awful feeling that he will try to blame TM for Allison's murder. Or he will say it was a result of an argument gone wrong and plead manslaughter. My thoughts are that it will be solely the jury who decides his fate.

Hopefully its just the waiting that has affected my thinking.
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Breaking, with the number of mistresses GBC had - the number of fake stories he would have had to keep up with - I think we can deduce he is truly skilled in story telling-

I don't think GBC would have any trouble in formulating stories to implicate these poor mistresses in Allison's demise. Certainly GBC NEVER strayed from being the victim of his marriage as we have seen so clearly as he laments of how his wife was soooooo fine the night before----- watching the footy show. Yet - do we really know where GBC was and what he was doing from 6pm (when Allison was at the hairdresser's) till GBC reports her missing. We have no clue of his movements, was he with Liv? was he doing open houses- was he getting a haircut - was he lookingafter the girls ? Were the girls even at home? (We can deduce but we don't know for sure!)

And now despite Allison being clearly the victim -GBC framework for the story is not seeing his wife as being wronged but simply how he himself has become a victim of one of these mistresses that have led him astray. They have clearly seduced him and they are the root of all evil and have even caused GBC stray from the marriage.

Fortunately in this case - the mistresses are numerous. It is indeed GBC's word against a stream of women who have made a mistake. Their only mistake of hoping that the truths this man spoke on the mattress in the moment of passion were going to be equal to the devotion and dedication they needed to survive in their daily existence.


Armed with this knowledge one can only hope that these mistresses will unite and find common ground in the lies and innuendo that GBC spurned and they are not inclined to gang up and feel competitive for attention.
 
Has anyone been following the case in Sydney where Brian Bradbury has been charged with killing his wife?
 
Baden-Clay case referred to Supreme Court as prosecutors present murder indictment

August 23, 2013

THE long march towards a trial into the death of Brisbane mum Allison Baden-Clay ramps up in earnest on Friday as the case is referred to Queensland's Supreme Court.
Prosecutors are expected to present an indictment in the Brisbane Supreme Court charging Gerard Robert Baden-Clay with murdering his 43-year-old wife 16 months ago.

Criminal specialist lawyer Peter Shields also flagged the possibility his client had a long wait ahead of him before he faced either a jury or a judge at his proposed "four-to-five-week trial''

http://www.couriermail.com.au/natio...nt/story-fnii5v6w-1226702361337#ixzz2chlOSwnN
 
Humdinger said:
Has anyone been following the case in Sydney where Brian Bradbury has been charged with killing his wife?
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Interesting case thanks Humdinger. I've started a thread for it...

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219974"]Australia -Halloween death: Brian Bradbury granted bail over wife's murder - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
Baden-Clay case referred to Supreme Court as prosecutors present murder indictment

by: Tony Keim
From: The Courier-Mail
August 23, 2013 12:00AM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...urder-indictment/story-fnii5v70-1226702361337

At last the ever so slow wheels of justice are starting to grind forward for Allison, albeit at their own pace. Now all we need to know is the commencement date of the trial.

"Gerard Baden-Clay maintains that he is innocent of the death of his wife Allison ... (and) will be pleading not guilty,'' Mr Shields said.

"Due to the almost unprecedented publicity which has surrounded this case it would not be prudent for me to make any comment ... until the conclusion of the trial.''

As a result of the intricate nature and proposed duration of Baden-Clay's trial it is likely to be deemed a "complex criminal trial'' once the indictment is presented in court.

That means Baden-Clay's case will be subjected to rigorous management in accordance with a Supreme Court Practice Direction issued earlier this year.

Mr Shields said despite the many theories being mooted into the death of Allison, he hoped people would consider the evidence before jumping to any conclusions.

"Judges often warn juries at the commencement of a trial that information in the public (domain) is not always accurate,'' he said.

"Often it is at least misleading; sometimes it is just plain wrong.

"It is essential that every member of the jury in Gerard's trial be completely impartial.''
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back in the saddle today with our boy Gerard and the cautionary tale of telling too many fibs..... I caught a quick glimpse of his only public performance all over again on Sunrise, or something, here comes Gerard trotting out , his beady eye firmly on the bosom of the nice young woman reporter... I think I heard that he wouldnt be appearing in court, as such, which is a pity, I would like to see how he has weathered this long remand.. .. but not long to go, really. And to see how Toni has travelled the thorny harsh path sans Gorgeous Guy...

regards to all. looking forward to it.
 
Trooper said:
back in the saddle today with our boy Gerard and the cautionary tale of telling too many fibs..... I caught a quick glimpse of his only public performance all over again on Sunrise, or something, here comes Gerard trotting out , his beady eye firmly on the bosom of the nice young woman reporter... I think I heard that he wouldnt be appearing in court, as such, which is a pity, I would like to see how he has weathered this long remand.. .. but not long to go, really. And to see how Toni has travelled the thorny harsh path sans Gorgeous Guy...

regards to all. looking forward to it.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-...-on-murder-charge-of-wife/4907498?section=qld
Brisbane Supreme Court indicts Gerard Baden-Clay on murder charge of wife Allison
By Donna Field
Accused wife killer Gerard Baden-Clay has been indicted on a murder charge in Brisbane's Supreme Court.

Nothing to rev up the morning like news that a murder indictment has been presented to GBC and a trial date is due to be set for 2014. Eagre to proceed.
 
Oh my goodness ... seeing his face plastered all over the 11am news on 9 again ... bet he doesn't look so tanned now.

They said he is now formally charged and will be back in court on 20th September, trial date may be set then.
 
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