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  1. TheOtherChristina

    MISTRIAL IN - Thomas Grill Jr., 18, & Molley Lanham, 19, murdered, Lake County, 25 Feb 2019 *arrests*

    “Prosecutors are challenging another attempt to move a high-profile murder case out of Porter County based on claims the accused cannot receive a fair trial because of publicity and public outrage. The request on behalf of the accused, 18-year-old Valparaiso resident Connor Kerner, comes in the...
  2. TheOtherChristina

    MISTRIAL IN - Thomas Grill Jr., 18, & Molley Lanham, 19, murdered, Lake County, 25 Feb 2019 *arrests*

    A Valparaiso teenager pleaded not guilty Monday to killing a teenage couple in a drug deal gone bad, dumping their bodies in the trunk of a car and setting the car on fire. Connor Kerner, 17, was charged as an adult with two counts of murder in the deaths of 18-year-old Thomas Grill Jr., of...
  3. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #55

    For anyone who might be bogged down in the concept of killed vs died vs fatally injured, think of it this way: Person A and person B are attacked on X date. Person A dies the same day. Person B does not die until Z date. XYZ are sequential days. On Y date, person A is dead and person B is...
  4. TheOtherChristina

    GUILTY TX - Megan Getrum, 36, murdered, Plano, 18 April 2017 *Arrest*

    I feel exactly the same way! I wish I had known her. I wonder who's taking care of her kitties. Hopefully they are bringing comfort to her bereaved family and friends, and vice versa.
  5. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #53

    I don't know much about flip phones, but to your second point, burner phones aren't as untraceable as people sometimes think they are. In the trials of Jennifer Pan and her co-conspirators, there was a lot of cross-referencing done to trace contact between different burner phones. But yes, they...
  6. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #51

    When people talk about DNA results in a couple of days, they are talking about very specific scenarios that many not apply here. (I know that many people here know this, but others do not.) Upthread, someone mentioned the rape of a child. If DNA in the form of semen is found in the vaginal...
  7. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

    I'm well aware of all of that and my post didn't contradict any of that in any way. However, he did take a plea deal last week that led to dropped charges of false informing and obstruction. It is my understanding that those are new counts and they are likely to be related to the parole...
  8. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

    Why would he file a plea in 2017 for a 2014 charge? I'm inclined to think that these were new charges unless it's expressly stated otherwise. I do think the charges are in relation to the PV rather than the murders, though. Although it's possible they are tangentially related to the murders as well.
  9. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

    CME did state that she saw a man by himself. This article, the only one I have seen that mentions it, doesn't identify the man in any other way so it may be an assumption that he was the MIB.
  10. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

    What do you mean that they weren't part of the PV charge? What were they part of? Or am I misreading?
  11. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

    I feel like this has been lost sight of recently, so I just want to reiterate that RL may or may not be involved even if he is not BG. LE has been very clear that BG is presumed to be a participant in the murders and that they do not know how many participants there were. Or, if they do know...
  12. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #47

    In this case, the hair evidence was actually corroborating evidence for the testimony of a co-defendant. That's significantly different. https://www.innocenceproject.org/injustice-in-texas-the-claude-jones-case/
  13. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #45

    Okay, I had a crazy thought and I wanted to float something here. It's a bit out there, but at this point I figured it couldn't hurt to go back to square one and rethink this whole thing. What if this murder wasn't about Abby and Libby? What if it was about the bridge itself? Let's imagine...
  14. TheOtherChristina

    GUILTY WA - Nathaniel Rosa, 31, fatally shot by homeowner, Belfair, 1 April 2017

    The shooting took place around 8 am according to this article, which suggests he could have been outside for several hours. He could also have been drunk, of course, but drunkenness doesn't really explain what he would have been doing in the shower and why he might have stayed in after being...
  15. TheOtherChristina

    GUILTY WA - Nathaniel Rosa, 31, fatally shot by homeowner, Belfair, 1 April 2017

    Yeah. It's certainly possible Rosa was drunk, but for now I'm reserving judgment. The facts we have are all filtered through the lens of Fanning, who I consider to be a biased source. Either way, I agree, it seems clear that this was not self-defense.
  16. TheOtherChristina

    GUILTY WA - Nathaniel Rosa, 31, fatally shot by homeowner, Belfair, 1 April 2017

    RSBM Check the comments on this article from someone with the initials TJ. It's possible Rosa was not drunk at all.
  17. TheOtherChristina

    GUILTY WA - Nathaniel Rosa, 31, fatally shot by homeowner, Belfair, 1 April 2017

    Fanning has been charged with first degree murder and is now out on bail. http://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/local/code-911/2017/04/05/suspect-belfair-shooting-charged-first-degree-murder/100084474/ This article also has some more information about how Rosa may have wound up in Fanning's...
  18. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #45

    Thanks for finding this! I really thought I had read every post in every thread but I have no memory of seeing this before. (That's what I get for catching up after taking my sleepytime meds, I guess.) I know that crime scenes are often surrounded by unrelated detritus, but this is a small town...
  19. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #44

    It sounds to me like he says "y'know" rather than "no." Ultimately, either way, I think it's just kind of a noncommittal answer.
  20. TheOtherChristina

    Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #44

    I never said it did. Having the girls found on his property, having his home and land searched for probable cause, having his truck hauled away with the doors taped to preserve evidence, and lying about his alibi don't make him guilty, either, but they certainly are making me pay attention to...
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