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Psychologically, I believe this is because she objectified Caylee as a "thing", a possession of hers, but did not and does not see her as a little human being with feelings and emotions. I have read about this also in cases of other murderers who refuse to call their victims by name because...

I just read the depo - she's infuriating. I don't think it matters one way or another if the judge forces her to answer. She will lie, she'll talk in circles to avoid answering, she'll use the old confuse and confound technique and talk while not answering anything. It won't change. And I...

She attended the funeral? This is the first time I heard that. Dear God...these people are beyond sick.

It's sad to me. She knew he was having an affair, maybe she thought if she looked younger it would make a difference to him and he'd stop. Most women are aware that they are starting to look older and are sensitive enough about it, I would be devastated if my husband told me to get a face lift...

The frustrating thing is she is going to walk away scott-free for it because the definite proof lies with MM and he is going to protect her. Gosh I wish they had those text messages! She is just as scary as he is. I feel sorry for the poor man who gets involved with her next, and any woman...

I have this feeling that Gypsi came up with the whole face-lift scheme to help MM devise a way to kill Michele. Michele was beautiful, much much much better looking than Gypsi, I think she came up with the plan so that Michele would leave this world with her face in stitches and disfigured. I...

they are ooky people

a la Nurmi?

Sorry to jump in with a potentially stupid question but I just learned about this case yesterday and I'm trying to get caught up. Do we know if the text messages between MM and Gypsi were retrieved from the phone company or has it been too long and they are lost?

Agreed! If Travis' murder was not especially cruel, I don't know what is - it would fit the definition even if it were a crime of passion BUT it was not, it was heavily premeditated. If she just wanted Travis dead she could have put the gun to the back of his head in the shower and gotten it...

I agree too, they stalled their way through the entire trial and got what they wanted a lot of the time. I'm not holding my breath for anything taking place this year. Jan 2014 it is.

Thank you. I'm getting frustrated by all the comments about how TM should have walked faster or gone straight back home. TM was not in the wrong place at the wrong time.

How does anyone know that? He was on the phone talking to that girl at the time too, I would imagine you might tend to walk slower while having a conversation with someone, stopping occasionally even under some kind of shelter from the rain. Or maybe he was trying to lose the person who was...

according to GZ

Someone following you and watching you from a distance to see what you're doing and where you're going is most certainly stalking. What else do you call it? Casual observation? He was determined not to let him out of his sight.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But I disagree that GZ had a legal right to follow TM for no reason, it's harrassment and stalking. I agree that all GZ had to do was identify himself as NW and ask him where he was headed.

To answer the bolded question - perhaps TM was trying to figure out GZ and determine if he needed to call the cops on HIM? All GZ had to do was say "hey, we've had a lot of break ins around here and I don't recognize you, do you live here"? For all TM knew, GZ could have been a perverted freak...

Good enough but he took it to another level. I think it is entirely fine to drive up along side someone, roll the window down, and say "hey, do you live around here?" giving TM the chance to say what he was doing there, or getting a better read on the kid. Was he nervous? Did he act calm and...

I agree he did not want to lose sight of him and I agree he wasn't going to detain him. But again, why did he want to keep him in sight? What did TM do? Based on the pictures, GZ's truck was parked quite a distance from where TM's body lie.

Really? Following him relentlessly and making the comment "these ***** always get away" seems pretty clear to me. And TM was found no where near GZ's truck. So again, it's very clear that GZ went after him.