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    MN MN - Bryce Borca, 23, college student, seen at 2AM, search focused near Minnesota River, Eagan, 30 Oct 2022

    Guess the recent rain has me again thinking of Bryce. Either he's there or he isn't, and if he's there, there must be some type of equipment to find him. It's still possible if offered a ride, he would have taken it. Screaming: FIND HIM. And, if he is eventually found deceased elsewhere, there...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    I don't think hormones is a legitimate defense. Better TA be evaluated mentally because there's something definitely wrong other than hormones. Ultimately, she may end up in a mental facility. And, let us not forget TA raised her son. Sure doesn't seem she did a very good job. Guesses are part...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Did Paul Grice's wife use the sovereign citizen idea too? I know she's distanced herself from him.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Re-watched news stories re: courthouse charges, it doesn't seem the defendants have mentally processed their crimes. Do they still believe their sovereign citizen declarations are going to get them released? TA actually admitted the crime. Her nice hairdo? Is this just a game to her? And, Paul...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Just shake heads at the planning, then shake heads more at the crime, and finally really shake heads at the body disposals. Amazing would be criminals could be so unintelligent.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    People like this, unfortunately, do exist. They walk among us, as neighbors, as these killers proved.
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    MN MN - Bryce Borca, 23, college student, seen at 2AM, search focused near Minnesota River, Eagan, 30 Oct 2022

    Well, here I am again just checking. Nothing. Nada. Discouraging. Big question is if LE really, really thinks he's there. Bets are someone in LE is quietly questioning.
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    MN MN - Bryce Borca, 23, college student, seen at 2AM, search focused near Minnesota River, Eagan, 30 Oct 2022

    It's been 1 1/2 years, LE cannot find him but is sure he's around there? Sure doesn't say much for official searches.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #6 *Arrests*

    Just found this re: sovereign citizens. Definitely worth a read: https://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/www.sog.unc.edu/files/Sov%20citizens%20quick%20guide%20Nov%2013.pdf
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Maybe they were blocked in and couldn't gun the car to escape. I would think they would have rammed whatever vehicle impeded movement. Seems they must have locked the doors, leading to the broken window so they must have suspected a violent encounter.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Just can't understand how those charged actually thought they could get away with murder. So, they leave the victim's car like no one cares or would find it? So, no one would even suspect them as participants? So, they actually thought a burner phone couldn't be traced? Oh, my...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    I know a few types like this. Not as extreme, but I can tell you they will never change their minds. You can't reason, can't show them information. If a juror believes the defendants were saving the children, backs what they felt was necessary, there's little hope.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Can area residents convict the defendants especially if residents have anti-government leanings?
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Frightening to think there would be ANY support, but I'm guessing the cult doesn't stop with these defendants.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Just read online it also takes $2,350 plus turning in a passport, plus appearing in person. So, Grice is still a citizen, as are the others. Seems they didn't even know how to be a sovereign citizen.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Denouncing citizenship doesn't mean it, apparently. It takes $2,350 plus turning in a passport and appearing in person. So, Paul Grice, despite his statement, is still a citizen. Guess that gets him a free attorney.
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #5 *Arrests*

    Just thinking more about Paul Grice. He is 31 yrs old. The other defendants are old enough to be his parents. Why was he involved with them?

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