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    NV-Lawyer fatally shoots former daughter-in-law, fellow attorney in Las Vegas law firm

    I have a friend who makes appearances for uhmm... "contentious divorces" as a child advocate. In urban areas, everyone goes through a metal detector for meetings etc. But.... she told me that she has had several very scary moments in rural areas where the metal detector is only for those...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    Though with 20/20 hindsight, his comments about there not being a threat were wrong, I thinks its unfair to say they were "stupid". In the end, Law Enforcement must make decisions every day regarding efficient use of resources. These decisions must be made by humans with out crystal balls and...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    My guess is that a line of thought regarding the nature of the motive made that jump possible: The group, like extremist groups of any ideology, seemed to be pretty "in or out". Either you are part of the "tribe", or not part of the "tribe". Non group members were probably then classified as...
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    Found Deceased OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #4 *Arrests*

    Yes- and then alot of "buts". They can be sued. But they also have sovereign immunity and cannot truly be compelled to pay anything- But they can agree to pay a settlement for a variety of reasons. But.... I think that suits by victims that are not based on police action, but rather claimed...
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    Canada- Sharif Rahman, owner of the Curry House restaurant, suffered brain injury after assault by 3 non-paying men, Owen Sound, Ontario, 17 Aug. '23

    Now that you mention it, it might be the fabric? My children participate in sports. They, their team mates and their friends like clothes made from a particular ultra light weight manmade material that also dries extremely fast. The praises of this material aside, I think it comes in one...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #3 *Arrests*

    But wait, there is more.... Evidently, the "Crew" was not all family to the matriarch gone bad. In short, I can see family mixing not being very bright with being under the direct influence of the matriarch, having an emotional stake in the dispute as extended family, and...personally loathing...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #3 *Arrests*

    There are perceived anvils and then are well, actual anvils. I am thinking she used the term "anvils" to describe large "vises". Alot of work trucks in remote oil and ranch areas have large vises on them to facilitate "on site" repairs when ever possible. The vises are used to hold various...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #2 *Arrests*

    I have got an opposite view. Money buys a certain amount of privelage in any society and in any area. Small town "big fish in small pond" types in my town have: - Arranged for a son to receive a reduced sentence after killing a woman while reckless driving, had a son found not to be "fully...
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    CA - Aiden Leos, 6, fatally shot in road rage confrontation, Orange, 21 May 2021 *Arrests*

    Well said. As a side note, I believe California's revolving door for violent offenders is in the "closed" position- well, at least for some. Evidently, defendants with sentences in the style of "20 to life", "40 to life" etc. are not eligible for good time, early outs and compassionate...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #2 *Arrests*

    I dont know in regards to either question. Please note, my posts regarding a formal mission at the church centered on "at risk mothers" and involving other volunteers are only a possibility based on my past experience with churches that did have such missions (sorry for any confusion). Though...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #2 *Arrests*

    I really like your simple and direct approach. In addition to @tatertot 's list... I wonder if the church has a formal "At Risk Mothers" mission? Such missions provide resume help, counceling services, "starting over" clothes, baby items, furniture etc. from donations. If so, there is a...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024 #2 *Arrests*

    I am thinking a religious commitment towards assisting umm..... "At risk moms trying to go straight". Some churches have specific missions directed towards assisting these types of mothers. My wife volunteered for such a mission once sorting donations. Those volunteers that do the actual...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    I think you could well be right. In furtherance of @GRT 's observation that remote gravel roads are used nearly entirely by locals to go to local places, the presence of a dumped car could indicate that somebody knew that road- and is very likely a local. When under stress, most people...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    I would start with the open fields where the car was found. Then.... go from there as more evidence establishes reasonable suspicion in other areas. Too bad the Texas Rangers, LEO team only gets to play in Texas. They have a reputation for batting excellence.
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    Looks like the police dont need search warrants for open fields either- though they may still get them via an abundance of caution. Likewise, the closer the fields are to the home (curtilage), the greater the expectation of privacy. ...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    In my state (Texas) police do not need a search warrant at all to search a car. Rather, they just need to articulate probable cause. Though I cant say with absolute certainty that fields in say, Texas are not treated at the same level of homes in regards to warrants, I am pretty sure that...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    What the neighbors think might not be as important as what the neighbors might passively do, such as decline to provide assistance to the refuser. In the end, however, I think it depends on the rural area in question. I get the idea that this area is largely working farms and ranches. As a...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    <modsnip: quoted post was removed> In the end, I have strong suspicion that a significant majority of farm and ranch owners in the area are readily giving permission for their fields to be searched. Most of the remainder can likely be persuaded by: - Its a likely double homicide of two...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    "Some things have two natures, two states of being, each interwoven- yet not the same..... ." And.... phony mysticism aside, I think there are different standards for obtaining search warrants depending on what is being searched. Homes would be at the top in regards to difficulty. Search...
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    OK OK, Veronica Butler 27 & Jilian Kelley 39, Vehicle Abandoned, Texas County, 30 Mar 2024

    Though I am not familiar with custody exchanges..... Maybe she felt that if the exchange was not made, the other party would only conclude that she had driven off on a pretense and would try to "get even" in the future. Seeking to avoid a future "one up- got'cha", she decided to call them to...

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