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There is absolutely no question of consent but yes I see the sexual encounter as his aim, personally.

Sadly, it is starting to look as if there isn't going to be the breakthrough that those who wanted justice for this poor young girl were hoping for. It seems to me that the longer it goes on, the less likelihood there is of a conviction. Unless, of course, the police and CPS have kept a stash of...

Right. I see. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, of course, and if it did, it would explain a few things, but if the report of it being in the garden was wrong (or I imagined it) then only the police know where her own flat key was found and they aren't telling, as you would expect. Ho hum.

I've just had another look at the timeline pictures and they seem to have been all over the shop (marine police unit) from 3rd February onwards for at least a week thereafter. It is perfectly possible that she was in the river and they missed her, I suppose, but what stood out for me in the HDM...

I'm putting these ideas in separate threads because I'm trying to prevent cross-threading The other thing I noticed last time I was on here, when the police issued that rather bland, noncommittal statement, was the timeline in the HDM article which was linked, showing just how soon after the...

Apologies for being late on parade again. Real life can be such a pest, sometimes. With regard to Libby's return home & inability to get into her flat ... I am pretty sure (though I could always have dreamed it) that one of the 4,897 posts on this thread says that police found her key in a...

Well, yes, this is true I suppose. It could be either/or and maybe I should take off my curmudgeonly glasses and cut the police some slack. On the other hand though the longer an information vacuum is left the more chance there is that febrile speculation in the media and on Facebook will...

I'm not sure what to make of it either, maybe a hat, or a brooch... Sounds like "whistling past the graveyard" to me. Not good. No new leads, no new info.

Yes, me too. Where is Jacques Cousteau when you need him! But seriously, the thing about the bends and the likelihood of the body becoming wedged temporarily was another reason why I was initially skeptical that it had floated 5 miles downstream. And apparently it turned out (as posted earlier...

I was originally one of those people who didn't believe that the River Hull was capable of carrying the body that far without it being spotted by someone en route, though I have now shifted my stance a bit and I am trying to keep an open mind on the subject. I'm putting this up on here for...

If she wasn't put directly into the Humber somehow, she must have floated all the way down the River Hull from ORPF to the confluence without being spotted. The Humber is tidal, that means it flows upstream as well as down. So although Paull is nearer to the mouth of the Humber, it strikes me...

Who knows. None of the possible outcomes are good. I'm not defending whoever did it, just pointing out how I think it's likely to go down.

If she resisted, and started to scream, and fight back, and it was the middle of the night and the screams were carrying a long way, whoever was responsible may have panicked and put his hands over her face intending to keep her quiet, so as not to attract attention. I just don't buy into the...

The site Winterbells identified was beyond the end of Town End Road, there's a car park and beyond that, a patch of wasteland that has a notice from ERYCC saying that the footpath along the shore is unstable because of erosion. From Google Street View it looks like you can get beyond the car...

Interesting, Winterbells. I must admit that I have always thought if the POI killed her it was a) at the playing fields and b) as an unplanned result of a sexual assault or rape gone wrong. That's also why I see manslaughter as a likely outcome. I don't see what is to be gained for him by taking...

Hello Newthoughts The site out at Paull isn't an illegal fishing site, it seems to be quite popular with sea-anglers generally and appears, from the warning notice about the erosion, to be owned by ERYCC.

So it seems that once again the bogeymen in all of this are in fact our wonderful media. I'm thinking in view of that, if charges are brought against this bloke with reference to Libby, his defence lawyers will be looking at all of this online discussion and trawling it for examples of him not...

Right. I must be mistaken then. I thought I'd seen him named in connection with Libby much earlier on. The police can stop people being named by the media though, if they want to, can't they? ,

Donning my cynical hat for a moment, I wonder how hard the police tried to stop the media from releasing the bloke's name into the public domain?

Jessie has hit on something quite interesting, though. A lot of the micro-focusing on the gentleman currently in custody for unrelated offences has actually been fuelled (on here and elsewhere) it seems to me by the police, who seem to have adopted an almost Portuguese style of treating him as...