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    KS KS - Jennifer Judd, 20, Baxter Springs, 11 May 1992

    I’m not sure how updated those samples are. Remember this was early 90’s. And this crime scene wasn’t protected as well as it would be now. How much DNA they could get today? I don’t know-was it compromised by LE? I’m assuming evidence hasn’t been retested since the crime happened. But if they...
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    KS KS - Jennifer Judd, 20, Baxter Springs, 11 May 1992

    So since you are comfortable with naming names of people who might be considered the POI, what exactly were the results of the search warrant? Fingerprints can be explained away if the POI (I won't say his name, because until he's formally called a suspect from LE, in my opinion, it's slander)...
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    KS KS - Jennifer Judd, 20, Baxter Springs, 11 May 1992

    Yes, but the point I was trying to make was in reference of if there was valuable DNA, finger prints, ect. of the crime scene that was allowed to be destroyed. Regardless of who did clean it or who was or wasn't made to clean the crime scene, is not relevant, don't you think? Who allows family...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    I agree with what you said. The government fully knew that we were drinking and inhaling lead, but by then all the mining companies had declared bankruptcy so there was that. The Superfund was set in place because the citizens were meant to be paid to relocate/ However due to the OK Senator...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    From all that I have read, I am assuming DF would do anything to keep local LE away. Would someone who has had bad run ins with the local police do a drug deal in front of their daughter and her friend? I wouldn't think so, could they have walked in? Maybe? I have never heard of any pot growing...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    I don't really know if it's actual swamps but it looks like it to me. I know where there was land now it looks like ponds. I mean just a couple of years ago it wasn't like that. Now random small ponds are where land was. Sadly no, the mining companies do not have to pay now. The TarCreek...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    I honestly believe they would have to know exactly the location. There isn't just a possibility to gather a search party and walk around Picher. What land is in the area is now mostly swamp, and who knows if the places covered with water is a cave in or not. Very dangerous!
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    I drove through Picher yesterday. I lived there until I was 20 and moved away. I can barely point out where I lived and where my grandma's house was as well. Most side streets are blocked off and to be honest, it's just as well. The trailer where Welch would have been is visible but one couldn't...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    I always thought there was something more to Shane's death. I mean he was shot in the back. That didn't make a lot of sense to me. And if the sheriff was on meth, that is not surprising, they don't call this area meth alley for a reason. But the meth problem was really bad back then, from what I...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    I find your questions are a lot like mine and others who are following this case. I have never heard names being said about the two men who showed up earlier to the Freeman's house. I am anticipating if LE will release how exactly the 3 POI knew the Freemans in the first place. I have heard...
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    KS KS - Jennifer Judd, 20, Baxter Springs, 11 May 1992

    As for your theory about Jennifer's killer having police knowledge. This wasn't the days of CSI types of shows. I doubt the person who did this took the time to think about DNA or even finger prints. The killing was such over kill that there has to be touch DNA left from the killer, like skin...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    I am from Picher, but I had moved away when this happened. My grandmother lived in the 500 block of college, so just a block down. And although it has been a while I can remember the trailer that Welch lived in but I have no idea who he was. I think what we see today the nothingness of the...
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    OK OK - Lauria Bible, 16, & Ashley Freeman, 16, Welch, 30 December 1999 *ARREST*

    *bump I don't really have anything to add, this is a case I follow but I very seldom come to websulths. Any updates? Or questions?
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    KS KS - Jennifer Judd, 20, Baxter Springs, 11 May 1992

    Oh to add...I contacted the podcasts:true crime, thinking sideways, the generation why, and numerous others. I have written an detailed outline of this case, about everyone related background as well. It is one of my goals to have Jennifer's case featured on one of my favorite podcasts. I also...
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    KS KS - Jennifer Judd, 20, Baxter Springs, 11 May 1992

    Hi, I haven't been on here for a while...been busy! Honestly, the Jones theory to me is not as strong. I also knew him but more knew of him. I think the time before he turned into a serial killer and Jennifer's murder was years apart, knowing that Jones loved to talk and do meth I'm sure he...
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    MO MO - Tracy Pickett, 14, Webb City, 12 Aug 1992

    I am so late on this story. I just watched a update about this missing girl on KODE news tonight. I'm pretty sure the babysitter who was interviewed tonight is the same person. I live in NE Okla so close to Webb City/Joplin Mo area but yet I have never heard of this story. I know that this guy...
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    KS KS - Jennifer Judd, 20, Baxter Springs, 11 May 1992

    I am a little late here but I hadn't seen this thread yet. I am from Picher and remember when this happen. I am friends with Jennifer's cousins and so I have heard that the family does't think that Jermey Jones was involved, however that was what I heard about 4 or 5 years ago. But he did live...
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    I've been reading...

    I think it wasn't the brother. Who all knew that the daughter would be home with a friend anyway? So ideally the plan unless, the girls were being stalked/followed, was the mother being alone. Strange phone calls, perhaps a scorned lover or want to be lover of the mother? Has that angle been...
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    The Obscene Phone Calls

    I am kinda late to this discussion. But I have to agree that the calls were just random, because it was clearly the days before cell phones. How would anyone know that there was anyone in the house to call at that exact time. Was the people who were involved staking out the house, waiting for...

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