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<modsnip> This was unlikely to be murder-suicide just from the beginning. People tried to make the facts fit murder-suicide awkwardly because the police seemed to obfuscate things at the beginning. But now it really seems unavoidable that this was murder. I'm basing this on facts, logic, and...

Have you all not seen the Toronto Sun report about the men's belts and jackets??? That's not unsubstantiated. They vet these sources. And as for the I told you so... I mean... I did...

I think at this point with the further details about the bodies at the scene it is next to unfathomable that anyone would still believe murder-suicide.

<modsnip>Mark my words, murder-suicide is very unlikely to be the real cause of this event. The police announced murder-suicide early on to try to make the murderer think they got away with it. My belief is that the police have been thinking double murder from the beginning, but manipulating the...

The only thing is that if this were double murder it would have had to have been a highly sophisticated double murder and in that case the idea that the wife would have just stumbled upon the scene and had to have been taken out as a witness are highly unlikely. If they wanted to kill only the...

Just because every person is most likely to be murdered by a relative does not mean this object can be applied to every case. When I watch the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination, my first thought is not the Jackie did it. This would be the most bizarre murder-suicide of all time and this...

Yes but think in terms of billionaires as power couples. For example, Bill and Hillary Clinton would never end in a murder-suicide. The two of them are essentially in a marriage of convenience where mutually their power helps the other party. The bottom line here is that their power was...

An absolutely fundamental question has yet to be pondered on this forum. If one discounts the murder-suicide explanation (just for the sake of critical thinking), the question arises of why this was a DOUBLE murder instead of just the murder of the billionaire Barry Sherman or just the wife...

I applaud you especially for the Chicago Tribune case. That hits all the marks of this case! Check the article below that specifically remarks on the rarity of murder by hanging in murder-suicide. It is unquestionable that the murder suicide explanation is a statistical long shot in the grand...

Also in the case of people who jump off Bridges you would be shocked to find that they usually go to a bridge that is in a place that they have known their entire lives and makes them feel very calm and content. That is why they choose that particular Bridge. My thinking on this case is...

No I am just fascinated. This has all the Hallmarks of a "crime of the century" type thing and this forum seems like the perfect place to throw out and think critically about the most likely explanation. Thanks for the welcome!

None of these examples have a second individual who was murdered and then hanged next to the murderer. There is currently too much acceptance of the concept of murder-suicide in this case. The crime scene simply does not reflect a typical murder suicide. If this is a murder-suicide, then it is a...

I also think that one of the firm logical questions that must be asked to determine this case is why both of them would have been needed to be murdered. If you disregard murder-suicide for a second and only think along the lines of a double murder, then why did it have to be DOUBLE murder? This...

Having a recurrence of his cancer does not really help to build the case that he would have been able-bodied enough to drag his wife down to the basement. This crime scene does not fit any other murder-suicide that anyone can think of. Murder-suicide may not be a logical action, but there is...

I don't completely discount murder-suicide but I think it is foolish to give it more Credence than any of the millions of motives someone would have had for murder. Especially considering the completely bizarre nature of the scene. There is not thinking with logic and then there is completely...

I repeat the concept of him killing her elsewhere and dragging her down into the basement does not make any sense. If he had killed her elsewhere and wanted to kill himself there would have been ample locations with pipes railings Etc that he would have been more likely to hang himself from. The...

Occam's razor is a much more tricky thing in the case of a billionaire. I agree with you completely that I do not buy murder suicide. But applying Occam's razor requires that we understand all of the things this particular billionaire may have been into and some of those things are probably...

Completely agree. We are not even sure about security cameras existing. This house was supposed to be not as crazy as a billionaire mansion could be. Who knows if there even was a security camera. Security system, yes, I am sure. This man had too many enemies and too many connections at the...

I agree completely that that is the height of absurdity that this man actually dragged his wife down to the basement her lifeless body so that he could commit suicide in his crummy downstairs lap pool. It just does not ring true. It also says a lot to me that the family is completely against the...

He thinks so little of her that he kills her, but he also has the heart and commonality to drag her down to the basement and hang her next to him? When people kill themselves they do it in a place that they are comfortable and familiar with. I really doubt this billionaires go to place would...