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    Found Deceased CANADA - Ben Kilmer, 41, Cowichan, 16 May 2018

    It’s been edited - it originally said asphyxiation by hanging. I’m not sure the point of editing it out once the information is out there.
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    Found Deceased CANADA - Ben Kilmer, 41, Cowichan, 16 May 2018

    I'm guessing that's the detail she was fighting to have withheld. They are clearly withholding some information about it though, since they make no indication of whether they are talking about days/weeks/months.
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    Found Deceased CANADA - Ben Kilmer, 41, Cowichan, 16 May 2018

    News agencies initially agreed not to release details, but then some changed their minds and it's out there now, however you feel about it. Coroner confirms man who went missing for 5 months took his own life Honestly, the only thing that's at all unexpected is "An encampment near where the...
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    CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 Mar 2018 #4

    This article is a bit misleading... they say it's only true that there's no DNA to test hers against IF the medical examiner didn't keep samples from her siblings. I know it seems like this case isn't high priority, but would they really release Markis and Abigail's bodies for cremation without...
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    Found Deceased CANADA - Ben Kilmer, 41, Cowichan, 16 May 2018

    I've been reluctant to post my thoughts because of family/friends who may be reading here, but I will go ahead. PLEASE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE SPECULATION, DON'T READ BEYOND THIS POINT. All this is JMO. I feel like this may be a voluntary disappearance. In the postings on the Facebook page...
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    Found Deceased CANADA - Ben Kilmer, 41, Cowichan, 16 May 2018

    I think that could go either way. Van in an isolated area, left running, could also be the case if someone wanted to disappear and make it seem like it was not by choice. This man it was an avid hiker, so fit enough to hike well beyond any eventual search area if he wanted to disappear...
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    Found Deceased CANADA - Ben Kilmer, 41, Cowichan, 16 May 2018

    The admin on the FB page (who I believe is his wife) said that it was security footage of him at a job earlier that day. It illustrates that he was in the habit of walking away from the truck and leaving the door open. (Not sure if the truck was running in this photo.)
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    Found Deceased CANADA - Ben Kilmer, 41, Cowichan, 16 May 2018

    This is local to me. The Facebook page for the volunteer search has info from one or more psychics who have been in touch with his wife. She is organizing searches in different areas from the SAR teams, based on the images the psychic has described. I can totally understand her feeling of...
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    CANADA Canada - Ariel Jeffrey Kouakou, 10, Montreal, 12 March 2018

    My apologies, Hazel, for asking you to clarify this further. I understand you were trying to be sensitive to anyone who knows the family and is on this thread. My understanding is that, in the case of Brandon Crisp, his death was accidental as a result of being somewhere he probably shouldn't...
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    4. Jen killed the dogs to punish Devonte, who obviously loved them, and all 6 kids were still in the car when it went over.
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I think there's a tendency to assume that LE is only doing what they've told us. We don't know - they haven't announced it, but they may well be considering the possibility that Hannah died earlier. I'm sure that given all they've seen, FBI agents will easily realize all the possibilities that...
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    Wow. I wonder how this person got access to the uncut video. You can clearly see only the shots looking at the waterfall were intended for public consumption, as the kids don't have their photograph faces on until then. When you think about multiple takes of that video, you can see that...
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    There were several pages of discussion on this, I'm thinking towards the end of the last thread? I remember someone was able to provide the most recent picture from social media, and it was shocking how long ago it was from. It seems almost certain there was a steep and terrible decline since...
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    The link to Scribd doesn't work, but you can still read it at the bottom of this article. http://katu.com/news/local/dhs-releases-documents-on-child-abuse-neglect-investigation-into-hart-children-jen-sarah-devonte-hannah-ciera
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    Amazing find. Here's something I'm not understanding. This ad is supposedly from when they had already adopted the first three children, and were looking to adopt up to three more, which I assume were Devonte, Jeremiah, and Ciara. Is that correct? If so, how do the pictures include Devonte if...
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I've seen some festivals offer subsidies, etc. for lower-income families, so that could have come into play. (Sometimes when you register, you have the option to pay extra into a fund for this purpose.) I'm very curious what SH got up to while everyone else was away for "weeks or months". Was...
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I couldn't agree more. They were extremely thorough in their paperwork. Too bad they couldn't be just a fraction as thorough in their follow-up.
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    Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

    I believe he was significantly older than Devonte. His name was Dontay (Davis). I think at the time of the adoption the younger three were 1, 3 and 4 and Dontay was 9. It's mentioned in a couple of those Oregon articles, but I don't think it's clear what happened to him.
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    We don't know anything about the sexual orientation of the children – the abuse victims here – so I'm still not clear how this is relevant, even if from an unbiased source.
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    CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

    With all due respect, please don't post homophobic nonsense and then say "It's just what came up when I googled it". I actually tried to read that article looking for the "study" it claimed to be based on and eventually came to a quote about their sources: "We don't need data to know this...

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