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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #45

    Oh gosh - I didn't mean for my reply to seem irrelevant to the convo - I was earnestly trying to reply to a valid question in Sat eve discussion of cult aspects in this thread (5 or 6 really great posts in a row - hate I wasn't here then). One mentioned Hitler's sway, which was such a good...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #45

    It's true a cult can change your personality. Anyone who's tried to get a loved one back out of that frame of mind will attest to that. And people do change. Sometimes even for the better. But we have a lot of reports of behaviors from long before the cult that stretch the imagination...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    Article was a great read! I liked this statement: "My clients, no matter what they may have done, aren't wicked. They are damaged, deprived or in distress. Their crimes can be understood as the products of awful lives, or of being young, hot-headed and lacking in judgment, or of not having...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    I will try! :-) He's a genuinely nice guy - secretly, I wondered why someone so pleasant would want to be a pathologist instead of working with patients directly, but maybe that's why he's so pleasant - he's not "over socialized" by the end of the day? He has a big heart and a deep social...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    That cracked me up! Maybe as someone who aimed high and wanted to be the Lead Lay Leader, he started multi-tasking with the five female to one male ratio at sleepovers in 2018? Could cover a lot of holy ground that way...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    Agreed, but easier to acquire in some walks of life than others? When I was in a band in my younger years the illicit substances were plentiful subsidy. You didn't even need to ask; they just appeared, as if by magic. When I worked at a higher end retail business a few years later, I don't...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    Oh, I'm with you there. The other poster just noted they wanted to deep dive the OPPs for possibilities and I was hoping to make it a more streamlined path for them than to confront a wall of science that is a lot to digest at once (three mixed metaphors in one sentence - I KNEW I was off my...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    I've wondered about the possibility of late-onset schizophrenia and/or the possibility of hormone flux causing some of the more rash behavioral changes in LVD. Here's a link to a NIH paper documenting three such cases of menopausal onset schizophrenia...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    If it happened to be a toss up between LVD and CD taking the better composed shot, I'd put my money on the one with the visibly greater aesthetic sense and the larger sense of entitlement towards owning the latest/best-est..? Although I, too, have turned out some hideous photos with decent...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope you are safe and far away from danger now! What do we have to do to get our PDs (& that's a nationwide question) to take these charges seriously? Or get them to work with professionals who can better assess situations and direct to proper services...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    Organophosphates ("OPPs") are actually a group/type of chemical that includes herbicides, insecticides, and nerve gas on the "heavy dose" side and some organophosphates are actually used as medications (with a little lighter dosing than, say, a yard full of weed killer). Generally speaking...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

    100% yes to this. There's some data out there (I will try to dig it up) supporting how so many domestic violence police calls tend to go to the same houses over and over (although some states have enacted laws to stop that, as often the final call is very final). This is a huge leap of...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

    Guessing it was probably generic Kool-Aid and not brand name? Oh lordy, really? On the upside, they would have all of eternity to develop a skill set. On the downside, what kind of conversation is possible with 144,000 inexperienced souls? Their eternity dinner conversation will surely be...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

    Pairs only? So you not only have to bend your beliefs to bejeezus to join the rapture, you also have to round up a DATE? Ugh. No wonder so many decided to sit this one out...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

    Yes! This seems to follow reliably with what I've read regarding strongly patriarchal systems and religions. Because they believe men are able to be "closer to God" (yeah, I dunno why, but just roll with the logic/lack thereof) they are bestowed with the "spiritual responsibility" of the...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

    Edit: looks like others were stating these thoughts as I was typing. Sorry for dupe info. That's one way to keep the story in the news over a period of time and to control the narrative from the prosecution side. Roll out charges little by little. Gives them more time to "airtight" the...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

    The prosecution/LE have their own PR campaign to wage (outraged public with possible vigilantes, damaging images of LE in the media right now, etc). They most definitely have a specific story to tell, and the court of public opinion to win as well, all while trying to keep MM from distorting...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

    We all do some personal myth-building on a daily basis. My most recent is "I haven't gained THAT much weight since the pandemic." (Self-delusion) Then I see my neighbors while out walking the dog and they say I look fine (support of a peer group). Then I try to get into my regular jeans...
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    Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #42

    Wow! That's certainly a recipe for future conflict. Thanks for the insight. I remember watching a therapy training video long ago where the teaching therapist said "When I see acting out, I go in search of the secrets. Secrets drive acting-out behavior." Somewhere there must be a bunker...

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