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I’m 99% sure if there was anything of significance on those cameras the footage would no longer be available for the general public to view. To me, whatever footage we can currently view is not relevant to the case. If it was, it would have been removed.

Judging by the odd capitalisation/grammar in the name change, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was the kids themselves who’ve done this. Maybe they’re logged in to EC’s Google account on one of their iPads, etc. If so, a blessing that comments are disabled on all their videos.

If the prosecution can’t prove cause/manner of death, what effect does that have on their case? Does not having a conclusive cause of death effect their ability to secure a conviction?

I’m guessing here, but I’d say not necessarily. E.g., a knife may have been used, but not to such an extent that the wound would typically be life-ending. I’d also be interested to know what impact (if any) not being able to prove cause of death has on the prosecution’s case.

I don’t know what it shows, but I suppose there are several reasons why a postmortum can be inconclusive. The physical state of the body will be one of them, but I’m sure there will be other (ie less grisly) reasons too.

Don’t think I’ve seen this mentioned yet and I wasn’t aware of it: apparently the Met announced today that a postmortum was “inconclusive as to the cause of death.” Link: Priti Patel spoke to Met chief before Sarah Everard vigil broken up

I think this - indecent exposure gone wrong - is probably the most plausible theory IMO. Everybody's having a hard time understanding how somebody can go from IE to a brazen first-offence kidnap/rape/murder so quickly, but maybe that's because it didn't happen that way and he never intended to...

I like to imagine what this vigil would have been like if there had been no police or police vans present. I imagine it would have been peaceful, sombre, and beautiful.

There's no evidence it was a Prius, in fact there's pretty rock solid evidence that it wasn't - the court today confirmed it was a white Astra.

Why would he do this?

davidattenborough said: ↑ Yep, but that would be kidnapping "by fraud." The charge sheet states it was kidnapping "by force." They are the two elements of kidnapping according to UK law - it has to be one or the other. You are assuming the reason she got into the car in that scenario is because...

davidattenborough said: ↑ No way. She was coerced into the car, thought he was taking her home, he drove past her home, she realised, asked him to stop, and that's when "force" element kicks in? No way. For one, how would the police know this?? Sorry, but this is a ridiculous theory. This is...

Ok, but I don't think that's true. All public sector workplaces follow the same basic template of employee sickness/absence rights - I'm sorry, but that's just a fact. A sick note doesn't make any difference - you can have a sick note for 2 weeks but return to work after 2 days, so why would...

Yep, but that would be kidnapping "by fraud." The charge sheet states it was kidnapping "by force." They are the two elements of kidnapping according to UK law - it has to be one or the other.

No way. She was coerced into the car, thought he was taking her home, he drove past her home, she realised, asked him to stop, and that's when "force" element kicks in? No way. For one, how would the police know this?? Sorry, but this is a ridiculous theory.

I work in the public sector. As far as I know, in all jobs in the public sector (ie. council, prisons, schools, local government) you phone in sick and then you're off sick until you inform the employer that you're ready to return to work. Your manager has a duty to call you every couple of...

Yes, it must be - but I'm a man, so I wouldn't know. This is just what women have relayed to me.

The charge sheet doesn't make any mention of using fraud to get her into the car. It specifically states she was forced.

Maybe, but I don't see the CCTV being so clear as to be able to show this. I think it's more likely the CCTV shows her being bundled into the car - they must have evidence as to how she got into the car to be able to confidently bring a charge of "kidnap by force." All the CCTV I've seen so far...

With respect to Sarah's friend, and to you, I disagree. Of course the person who murdered SE is the only one responsible for it, that goes without saying. But the culture in which that murderer lives, the culture and society in which women don't feel safe to walk the streets, or go for a night...