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    Grand Jury True Bills John & Patsy Discussion thread

    I think the garotte was part of the initial attack. Remember in the ransom note it threatens beheading her, and I always thought they planned to do that to cover up the garotte. Then they ran out of time.
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    Verdict Watch Thread Saturday July 13

    I was surprised the judge didn't give her a talking to. I had a vision of an attorney asking "May I approach the witness" and walk up and smack her on the head.
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    Verdict Watch Thread Saturday July 13

    I thought the same thing. I wish they wouldn't have her on, but I guess she's not the only one who is inflammatory.
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    Verdict Watch Thread Saturday July 13

    Seriously, I think the only words to justify a violent response would be actual threats to do you bodily harm.
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    Verdict Watch Thread Saturday July 13

    I've also had a concussion with a small cut on the back of my head that didn't need stitches or even a bandaid. He could very easily have had a concussion, and in fact, with those visible wounds, it is very likely.
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    Verdict Watch Thread Saturday July 13

    Someone asked about the screams. It is possible that they weren't on the ground then, that TM was screaming because GZ had a gun pointed at him. But that's not my opinion. Just a possibility. I have to say I've been all over the place on this trial, changing my mind frequently. I finally...
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    George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin Discussion Thread #10 Mon. July 8

    I was just thinking, if his stepmother was the one who essentially raised him, why wouldn't the prosecution have called her to testify that it s his screaming on the 911 tape?
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    George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #6

    If they were suspicious of each other, then neither would disclose their identity. Why tell an abductor/creep/whatever you live and belong there? Why tell a burglar that you are neighborhood watch? It wouldn't matter.
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    George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion #4

    .[modsnip]. [modsnip] Another thing, I find it hard to believe that she didn't want any publicity. What teenage girl doesn't want to be "famous" these days, for whatever reason?
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    a view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #7

    That's not at all unusual. I wore glasses for many years for distance and had to take them off to read. Even after I got bifocals I still had to do it.
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    IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #2

    There are some exclusions to the "search and seizure" protection--consent we've mentioned. But also search incident with arrest and plain view. But the one that is pertinent here is exigent circumstances.
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    IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #2

    Two things, and I'm coming in late to this, so forgive me if I'm repeating: 1) Did y'all notice James Lemmon himself is a RSO? 2) I believe that in some circumstances you don't have to have consent to search premises. It seems to me this would be one of those cases. Yet one of the articles...
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    IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #2

    I don't understand why they didn't search that house immediately. They should have found her in the freezer the very day she was reported missing. Didn't LE learn anything from the Jonbenet Case?
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    Who is Matthew Bartlett and why the middle finger sign?

    I haven't been able to read all these posts, but someone asked how finger-gate could have led to a mistrial. The reason is that if a jury member had seen it, they could have interpreted his gesture as an indication of public sentiment and might have swayed their decision.
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    Potential DT Witness Sally Karioth

    I've hesitated on weighing in on SK. I thought she was truly awful, a real embarrassment to academics. I'm in the humanities, but I've been in higher education for over 30 years, and I know about what is expected in nursing programs in terms of faculty research. Here's what I think: She...
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    Mexico Mexico - Jennifer Seitz, 36, Cruise ship passenger near Cancun, Dec 2008

    You can buy liquor duty free on ship but you cannot keep it. They give it to you when you leave the cruise. The alcohol you purchase on board is marked up about 300%. So Dom would be at least $250, probably more.
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    Mexico Mexico - Jennifer Seitz, 36, Cruise ship passenger near Cancun, Dec 2008

    Is there no interest or news in the missing cruise passenger?
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    Mexico Mexico - Jennifer Seitz, 36, Cruise ship passenger near Cancun, Dec 2008

    I'm so distracted right now by the idea that someone would shell out $500 for a couple of bottles of Dom Perignon only to puke it up in somebody's shower. Who does that? I'm beginning to feel like I live a very boring life--and I'm grateful for it.
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    Mexico Mexico - Jennifer Seitz, 36, Cruise ship passenger near Cancun, Dec 2008

    Isn't it odd that he stayed on the ship? I mean, isn't this a time when you would arrange to fly home to be with family?
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    How did he get in ?

    I figure the suitcase was placed under the window either to help the intruder step up to get out of the window (he wouldn't need help jumping down from the window when coming in) OR to make it look like an intruder entered through the window. If the former were the case, though, there shouldn't...

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