CO CO - Clear Creek Co., Fem Skull 158UFCO, 20-36, near Echo Lake, Oct'95

CarlK90245 · Oct 18, 2010

The Doe Network:
Case File 158UFCO 158UFCO

Reconstruction of Victim by Daniel Marion

Unidentified Female

* Discovered on October 15, 1995 in Clear Creek County, Colorado.
* Only the skull was located
* Estimated Date of Death: Circa two years

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 20-36 years old
* Dentals: Available. She had received regular dental care.
* DNA: Available in CODIS.

Case History
The victim's skull was found in Clear Creek County, at Echo Park which is located south of Idaho Springs, Colorado.

Two hikers recovered a sun-bleached human skull, lying out in the woods in Denver Mountain Parks land, about one-half mile north of Echo Lake. Extensive search failed to turn up any other body parts. The dental work didn't fit the profile of a transient or a homeless person.

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CarlK90245 · Oct 18, 2010

Since this is only a skull, there are not alot of details to compare, but this facial reconstruction sure looks to me like Nancy Lynn Begg Shoupp

1138DFCO - Nancy Lynn Begg Shoupp

From the details that we can compare:
* Her age (26) is within range (20-36)
* Her DLC (28-Apr-90) is about 5 1/2 years before the discovery of the skull (estimated to have been there "Circa two years")
* The skull was found about 50 miles from her hometown of Littleton, and also about 50 miles from Boulder. She was last seen en-route from Boulder to Littleton, and the remote areas off of I-70 west of Denver would be a logical disposal location if she was abducted from somewhere along the route between Boulder and Littleton.

There is no indication of whether or not Nancy is in CODIS. The UID is in CODIS, so if Nancy was in CODIS, we could rule her out on that basis.

webrocket · Dec 29, 2010

how about Laurie Lucas? lka 1990 in Arapahoe County, Colorado at age 24. Dentals are available but no DNA.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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www.namus.gov

CarlK90245 · Dec 29, 2010

webrocket said:
how about Laurie Lucas? lka 1990 in Arapahoe County, Colorado at age 24. Dentals are available but no DNA.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Just as with Nancy Shoupp, there are few points to compare, but from what's available, it looks OK to me.

webrocket · Dec 30, 2010

is there a Namus profile for the UID? I looked last night and did not see one. maybe I was just tired.

if there is then there might be a rule out list.

CarlK90245 · Dec 30, 2010

webrocket said:
is there a Namus profile for the UID? I looked last night and did not see one. maybe I was just tired.

if there is then there might be a rule out list.

No, there is not a NamUs file for this UID. There are no NamUs cases for Clear Creek County, nor are there any UID's found on 15-Oct-1995.

webrocket · Dec 30, 2010

CarlK90245 said:
No, there is not a NamUs file for this UID. There are no NamUs cases for Clear Creek County, nor are there any UID's found on 15-Oct-1995.

any way to find out if they have ruled any missing persons out? I don't feel comfortable calling and I only have a 50% (at best) acknowledgement of emails.

CarlK90245 · Jan 3, 2011

webrocket said:
any way to find out if they have ruled any missing persons out? I don't feel comfortable calling and I only have a 50% (at best) acknowledgement of emails.

I left a message with Det. Gremillion of the Clear Creek County Sheriff's office.

CarlK90245 · Jan 3, 2011

Det. Gremillion called me back. He had a list of people that they had looked at but he did not provide me with any names from the list.

I gave him the names of Nancy Lynn Begg-Shoupp and Laurie R. Lucas, and he did not see either of the two names on the list.

He said that he would look into these two leads. He was friendly and polite, and my impression was that he was interested in the info, and will probably follow-up (as opposed to some locales that just file them away).

CarlK90245 · Jan 3, 2011

CarlK90245 said:
Det. Gremillion called me back. He had a list of people that they had looked at but he did not provide me with any names from the list.

I gave him the names of Nancy Lynn Begg-Shoupp and Laurie R. Lucas, and he did not see either of the two names on the list.

He said that he would look into these two leads. He was friendly and polite, and my impression was that he was interested in the info, and will probably follow-up (as opposed to some locales that just file them away).

Sgt. Gremillion called back and indicated that they were able to rule out Nancy Shoupp, but they don't know anything yet about Laurie Lucas.

webrocket · Jan 3, 2011

CarlK90245 said:
Sgt. Gremillion called back and indicated that they were able to rule out Nancy Shoupp, but they don't know anything yet about Laurie Lucas.

now that's responsiveness!

Redwood146 · Aug 31, 2011

any news about laurie Lucus?

believe09 · Jul 19, 2012

Bump-was this Jane Doe ever compared to Vicky Lamberton, I wonder? Vicky went missing from MA, possibly Colorado in 1974. She had possibly been on a trip with her lover/married professor in Colorado when she disappeared.

Here is her WS thread:
MA MA - Vickie Lee Lamberton, 24, Worcester, Feb 1974 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Romulus · Aug 15, 2015

CarlK90245 said:
The Doe Network:
Case File 158UFCO 158UFCO

Kimberly Ann Thompson The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

theshadow45 · Sep 20, 2017

Bumping for Echo Lake Jane Doe.

theshadow45 · Oct 15, 2018

Echo Lake Jane Doe has been unidentified for 23 years today.

theshadow45 · Apr 15, 2019

Bumping.

theshadow45 · Oct 15, 2019

Echo Lake Jane Doe has been unidentified for 24 years today.

theshadow45 · Jul 30, 2020

Bumping for Echo Lake Jane Doe.

carbuff · Jul 30, 2020

She's still not listed in Namus.

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