LA LA - Thibodaux, WhtMale 26-37, UP2210, in swampy area, right handed, work shirt "WPL9678", Oct'84

CarlK90245 · Oct 27, 2010

DoeNet just posted this case today:

The Doe Network:
Case File 1553UMLA
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1553umla.html

Unidentified White Male

* The victim was discovered on October 12, 1984 in Lafourche Parish, Louisiana
* Estimated Date of Death: 1.5 months to 6 months prior
* Skeletal Remains

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 26-37 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5'5-5'6"
* Distinguishing Characteristics:
* Dentals: Available. Amalgam fillings noted on teeth #3(O) & #18(O). Tooth #7 has a large portion lost, by fracturing, postmortem.
* DNA: Available; FBI NMPDD.

Case History
The victim was located in a swampy area near Thibodaux, Lafourche Parish, LA.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
Lafourche Parish Coroners Office
985-537-7055
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

Agency Case Number:
LSU 84-10

CarlK90245 · Oct 27, 2010

This one looks pretty close:

Paul Allen Vogen

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http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vogen_paul.html

The height (5'7") is an inch above the estimated range (5'5" to 5'6"), but everything else is in line.

And his facial shape is spot-on, IMO.

carbuff · Oct 27, 2010

It does look very close. The parting of his hair is even on the right side.

Weird place for a guy from Phoenix to end up, but the timeline allows for it.

CarlK90245 · Nov 16, 2010

CarlK90245 said:
This one looks pretty close:

Paul Allen Vogen

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http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vogen_paul.html

The height (5'7") is an inch above the estimated range (5'5" to 5'6"), but everything else is in line.

And his facial shape is spot-on, IMO.

Helen Bouzon ruled out Paul Vogen on dentals

I checked out Paul Vogen. He can be ruled out as 84-10 based on 4 teeth.

webrocket · Nov 16, 2010

how about Lloyd Gilsdorf missing from the Pensacola FL area about July 1984?:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7879/2/

He's a little taller than the estimated height but the time and geography are not bad.

webrocket · Nov 16, 2010

this guy Edward DuBarry is the right height and the face is not bad. not sure how he got from NJ to LA but he disappeared about a month before this UID was found.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/737/0/

carbuff · Nov 16, 2010

Edward DuBarry looks pretty good on the specs and even the circumstances. The beard is throwing me off on whether the face matches, however.

Donjeta · Jul 26, 2011

John Doe Namus link.
https://identifyus.org/cases/2210

Two exclusions listed, Paul Vogen and Gary Kergan.

webrocket · Feb 6, 2013

Lloyd Gilsdorf has been ruled out. a total of 3 on the list.

vermontaigne · Oct 4, 2014

Timing is wrong, if they're right about 1.5-6 months, for William Denzel Newman, Jr, but height and facial shape seem similar enough, and he went missing from Slidell. Problem is, he was last sighted on Jan. 8, 1980.

UID's hair color is unknown. Charley lists Newman's as black, but NamUs lists it as strawberry blonde/dark blonde. One or both of UID's hands were not recovered with his skeletal remains, per NamUs. Skeletal anomalies noted there, too.

carbuff · Oct 4, 2014

Side by side -- the angle's different so it's hard to say.

vermontaigne · Oct 4, 2014

carbuff said:
Side by side -- the angle's different so it's hard to say.

Thanks. I thought the second of the three Charley photos looked most like the reconstruction.

carbuff · Oct 4, 2014

vermontaigne said:
Thanks. I thought the second of the three Charley photos looked most like the reconstruction.

I picked that one because it's the closest to the same facial angle. Here are the other two, with the reconstruction in the middle.

vermontaigne · Oct 4, 2014

Thanks kindly, carbuff.

webrocket · Apr 2, 2015

On second thought,this is probably not DuBarry as both he and the UID have DNA available.

carbuff · Apr 3, 2015

webrocket said:
Lloyd Gilsdorf has been ruled out. a total of 3 on the list.

There aren't any new ruleouts. I think it's worth submitting both Newman and Dubarry even with the negatives against them. It seems likely that something is off with the demographics and circumstances...

folieadeuxnola · Mar 30, 2017

Daily Comet Article - 04/08/16

http://www.dailycomet.com/entertain...dentified-body-in-lafourche-remains-a-mystery

Known, for now, only as LSU 84-10, the man thought to be between 26 and 36-years-old is the lone unidentified body on record with the federal government in Lafourche Parish. He remains as much a mystery today as he was when found on Oct. 12, 1984, in a swampy area near Thibodaux.

The body had no hands, no clothing, few teeth, no hair. Investigators estimated it had been exposed to the elements for at least a month, maybe six months, if not more

They know he wasn't Lloyd Gilsdorf, who was 31-years-old when he disappeared from Pensacola, Fla., on July 29, 1984 and was reported missing almost six months later, not to be seen again.

He's also not Gary Kergan, who was a 29-year-old businessman from Crowley last seen leaving the Night Spot Lounge on Plank Road in Baton Rouge in 1984.

Kergan still hasn't been found, even though 67-year-old Ronald Dunnagan and 50-year-old Leila Mulla are serving prison time for his death.

LSU 84-10 also isn't Paul Alan Vogen, a 29-year-old who friends reported had talked of committing suicide and went missing Nov. 9, 1983 from Phoenix. he also hasn't been found

What is known about the mystery man in Lafourche Parish is he stood about 5-feet, 6-inches tall and was white. Beyond that and an estimated age, there is very little information to be had. However the man got into the swampy area near Thibodaux, he didn't leave much of a story behind to be found easily.

carbuff · Dec 5, 2018

Updated link: Unidentified Person Case

No new ruleouts.

folieadeuxnola · Jul 10, 2020

NAMUS Rule Outs 07/10/20

Gilsdorf, Lloyd - MP7879
07/29/1984 - Escambia, FL

Kergan, Gary - MP4142
11/28/1984 - East Baton Rouge, LA

Vogen, Paul - MP1113
11/09/1983 - Maricopa, AZ

GJKJR · Feb 7, 2021

This is a big-time stab in the dark, also a bit of a reach, perhaps, but how about Lester Rome (Lester J. Rome – The Charley Project)? His age is very much off the estimate (57 y/o vs. the 26-37 estimated for this Doe), but the circumstances seem to line up decently. An older post on White Pine John Doe's thread sheds a bit more light on Rome's case:

"I e-mailed the Jefferson County Parish Sheriff's Office several months ago, and was told the following about Lester Rome --

A review of the report indicates that Lester's vehicle was found in Lafourche Parish.
The vehicle had been burned. We do have a suspect in this case and believe Lester
never made it out of Louisiana. DNA was obtained from Lester's brother and is on file
in CODIS."

Lester went missing in January of 1984, and this Doe was found in October of 1984; considering the estimated post-mortem interval, it matches up rather nicely. Plus, this Doe was found in Lafourche Parish, where Lester's car was found burned.

I can't say I see an immense amount of resemblance between the reconstruction and Lester's photo, though. Plus, both Lester and this Doe have DNA available, so perhaps this connection has been ruled out by default before all this.

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