FL FL - Glades Co, Route 27, WhtMale 1537UMFL, 25-35, in pasture, Sep'80

TxJan1971 · Apr 12, 2011

HELP! This is my first post/thread regarding an unidentified person/possible match and I feel totally unsure of what to do with the information I have gathered below.

I stumbled across an unidentified person on Doenetwork, then searched missing folks on Charleyproject and found a possible match. I really have no idea what to do with this or whether this match is feasible. Could someone please advise if you think this is a possibile match or where to find any current rule outs on this person?

More importantly, if any of you regulars want to take it from here, I wouldnt be offended at all. I am still too new to Websleuths and dont really feel comfortable yet. If this is not a good possibility or submitted in the wrong place, please feel free to move/delete.

Doenetwork Case File 1537UMFL
(I'm having trouble inserting a link so I'll just provide the addy below)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1537umfl.html

Discovered: September 30, 1980 (Moorehaven, Glades County, Florida)
(Located near a fence post of a pasture about 20 ft. from SR27/SR29)
Est. Date of Death: 2 weeks prior
Est. age: 25-35 years old
Approx. Height: 5'9"
Characteristics: Reddish/brown long hair to shoulders. Couple of days growth on face.

NAMUS: https://identifyus.org/cases/7904

Possible Match
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/walls_bruce.html

Missing since: September 5, 1980 from West Palm Beach, Florida
Age: 29
Height: 58
Distinguishing Characteristics: Red/Auburn hair, may have a beard

Car was found abandoned on the turnpike. Believed to have been carrying briefcase of diamonds. This may coincide with victim found near fence post off a pasture 20 ft. from SR27/SR29 (??)

CarlK90245 · Apr 12, 2011

I think I came across Bruce Walls when looking for matches to this UID several months ago. I didn't feel strongly one way or the other when I was looking at him.

But it is a pretty good possible match, and should be looked at IMO.

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Cubby · Apr 12, 2011

I see enough resemblence and the circumstances line up well to submit this possible match.

CarlK90245 · Apr 12, 2011

I sent off an e-mail to Pamela Strassel, asking if this comparison has ever been made, and if not, suggesting that she do so.

CarlK90245 · Apr 12, 2011

CarlK90245 said:
I sent off an e-mail to Pamela Strassel, asking if this comparison has ever been made, and if not, suggesting that she do so.

Reply from Pamela Strassel:

Thanks for the information and the work you do. I have added Mr. Walls to the exclusions today. Unfortunately we did do a dental comparison with no match. If you come up with anything else let me know, I am always appreciative of the outside eyes in looking for matches to bring some our unidentified home.

webrocket · Apr 12, 2011

CarlK90245 said:
Reply from Pamela Strassel:

Reply from Pamela Strassel:

Quote:
Thanks for the information and the work you do. I have added Mr. Walls to the exclusions today. Unfortunately we did do a dental comparison with no match. If you come up with anything else let me know, I am always appreciative of the outside eyes in looking for matches to bring some our unidentified home.

very kind and thoughtful response from Ms. Strassel.

CarlK90245 · Apr 12, 2011

The Doe Network:
Case File 1537UMFL http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1537umfl.html
NamUs UP Case 7904 https://identifyus.org/cases/7904

Reconstruction of Victim

Unidentified White Male

* The victim was discovered on September 30, 1980 in Moorehaven, Glades County, Florida
* Estimated Date of Death: 2 weeks prior
* Mummified Remains

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 25-35 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5'9"
* Distinguishing Characteristics: Redish/brown long hair, to shoulders. Couple of days growth on face.
* Clothing: Orange/red t-shirt with decal on front reading "I may turn red but don't stop". Dark bluish/brown cut off pants, waist size 32". Brown belt, 41" from tip to tip. Fruit of the Loom jockey briefs with 30" waist.
* Dentals: Not available.
* Fingerprints: Not available.
* DNA: Not available.

Case History
The victim was located near fence post of a pasture about 20 feet from SR27/SR29.

CarlK90245 · Apr 12, 2011

A "Possible Match" thread was started to compare this UID to Bruce Neal Walls

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/walls_bruce.html

Ruled Out FL - Case File 1537UMFL – September 1980 compared to Bruce Wells - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

However, he has been ruled out.

CarlK90245 · Apr 12, 2011

In response to Pamela Strassel's e-mail informing me of the Bruce Walls rule-out I submitted one more possible that was on my "tentatives" list:

Donald Cary Ewalt

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/ewalt_donald.html

The one thing that is inconsistent is his hair color. However,
• He very strongly resembles the facial reconstruction.
• His height (5’9&#8221

matches that of the UP
• His age (22) is a little low, but not excessively so.
• The timeframe (just under 1 year) would not be a problem if you go on the assumption that his death didn’t occur at the time that he disappeared.
• Since California and Texas are both investigating the disappearance, it doesn’t seem unreasonable that he would be found far from the location in which he was last seen.

webrocket · Apr 12, 2011

I wonder about this guy Maxwell Graham. Was 28 y.o. when he was last seen on Aug 24, 1978 from SC. was 5'10 and had brown hair. facial shape looks comparable to me at least:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/5595/12/

webrocket · Apr 12, 2011

CarlK90245 said:
In response to Pamela Strassel's e-mail informing me of the Bruce Walls rule-out I submitted one more possible that was on my "tentatives" list:

Donald Cary Ewalt

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/ewalt_donald.html

The one thing that is inconsistent is his hair color. However,
• He very strongly resembles the facial reconstruction.
• His height (5’9&#8221 matches that of the UP
• His age (22) is a little low, but not excessively so.
• The timeframe (just under 1 year) would not be a problem if you go on the assumption that his death didn’t occur at the time that he disappeared.
• Since California and Texas are both investigating the disappearance, it doesn’t seem unreasonable that he would be found far from the location in which he was last seen.

I don't think there were any missing men between 1975 and 1980 between the ages of 15-40 who had red/auburn hair so if the missing person is in Namus, it would have be brown hair.

CarlK90245 · Apr 12, 2011

I'm not sure what the "I may turn red" is supposed to mean, but if it is alluding to his hair color, it seems to suggest that it was previously some other color. Perhaps he dyed or bleached his hair to disguise his appearance for some reason.

tatertot · Apr 13, 2011

The shirt might be a cute pun on stopping at red lights, with the phrase meaning, "I may blush, but don't stop any romantic gestures." That's how I interpreted it, anyway. It's hard to tell from the grainy black-and-white photo on NamUs but it appears to be an iron-on decal that would be put on at a t-shirt shop.

Ambercat · May 30, 2011

The reconstruction looks like he could possibly be Hispanic/Latino. I wonder if he could be someone who immigrated from Cuba and most of his family is still there (and maybe hence why he may not have been reported missing).

webrocket · Sep 28, 2011

I wish I knew how to insert images on this site.

I took a look again and I still think Maxwell Allen Graham looks alot like the UID.

besides the age, height and hair color (brown vs. auburn), they both had shoulder length hair. in addition, while there is no weight estimate for the UID, he was wearing 30" waist underwear and 32" waist jeans. Maxwell weighed 150 lbs for a 5'10" frame so a 30-32" waist is right on target.

Ambercat · Oct 22, 2011

Although he is a little younger than the estimated age of the unidentified man, I think he resembles John Koziatek. I'm not sure how he would have gotten from Ohio to Florida, though.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111278
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/koziatek_john.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1066dmoh.html

webrocket · Oct 22, 2011

not a bad resemblance Amber but nowhere is Koziatek's height listed (at least as far as I can see).

Ambercat · Oct 22, 2011

I think in the Websleuth's post for his disappearance, Roman, a friend of his, remembered him as being about 5'8" or 5'9".

Ambercat · Sep 30, 2012

Recently, Michael Olson, who went missing from West Palm Beach on December 1, 1979 was added to NamUs. He looks a lot like the UID and his height is listed as 68" (the UID was estimated to be 69".

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17585/32

CarlK90245 · Sep 30, 2012

Looks pretty good on facial shape, though the bridge of his nose is more broad.

You have a ten-month difference, but the circumstances don't indicate whether he might have been a victim of foul play. He could have disappeared voluntarily and might have been on the street for that period of time, in which case, the time lag would be no problem.

The distance is certainly no problem - about 100 miles from West Palm Beach to Moore Haven.

He is a little young compared to the John Doe, and there's no mention that his hair is reddish (but that's neither here nor there).

Nevertheless, I would say he should be looked at.

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