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  1. #136
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    Monday, 20 June 2011, Day 23

    (I missed the beginning)

    9:04 - HHJP beginning the start of proceedings when Mason interrupted him asking for sidebar. Judge reminded him attorneys are to bring any issues to bring to court's attention before morning session, they are to contact court by 8:20 so they can be heard at 8:30

    9:08 - JA took Dr Rodriguez's deposition for 2 hrs Saturday, would like more time to review it. Ashton says he doesn't think Rodriguez is qualified to give an opinion about others telling difference in stinky smell v human decomp
    Dr. Rodriguez is scheduled as Defense's first witness today

    9:09 - Judge grants State’s request to delay hearing Rodriguez’s testimony

    9:10 - Anthonys are in court. Cindy appears to be reading her Bible
    JA wants JB/Defense Team sanctioned, another deliberate violation of court's order, mentioning also defense expert Eichenbloom. No deposition taken, concerned about contents of his testimony. State received only a short report with no opinion, plus 45-page PowerPoint presentation on Sunday! Eichenbloom showed up at JA's office yesterday. JA says Eichenbloom was turned away. No one needs to take depos, but reports do need to be filed.
    Ashton says JB and Company are again deliberately ignoring court's order. Ashton says he will depose Dr. Eichenbloom Tuesday evening if okay.

    9:14 - When JA stoppped talking, HJBP does not say a word. JB goes to podium. JB gives HIS definition of the court's orders regarding witnesses having to put in record what they intend to testify, JB accusing Ashton and the prosecution of refusing taking depositions, JB saying State at fault for not taking deposition of Dr. Eichenbloom, Baez says State violated same sanctions with no threats of citation or being held in contempt, JB saying witness has been listed for awhile and the state could have deposed him at any time, Baez says Ashton intentionally refused to do depos to narrow scope of defense questioning

    9:24 - JB says it's not bad enough that JA wants to omit his responsibilities to take the defendant's life, he wants to go after her lawyer too! JB called JA repulsive! Baez attacking HHJP's accusing him of disobeying court orders, we did not intentionally look at this order and say we won't obey it

    JB talked non-stop for 10 minutes!!

    9:25 - HHJP said "I want both sides to turn around and look at that clock and tell me what time it is."
    JA says 9:25; JB says 9:26 and says they can’t even agree on that
    The time was 9:25
    HHJP says it shows that both sides will never agree on anything, and the jury's been waiting more than 25 minutes! Perry says the jury has been sitting back there waiting, it's unacceptable.
    They will work a full day Saturday because so much time has been wasted. Here forward all attorneys are to be here at 8:30. We will start at 9:00, no more will we have this. Each Saturday we will work a full day. Be prepared to have witnesses to be here ready to testify.

    9:28 - Judge reading his court orders of Dec. 2, 2010 and Jan. 6, 2011 re: experts, their opinions, and grounds, mentioning how state wasn't allowed to use their powerpoint, talking about repeatedly violating court order with impunity, Supreme Court says exclusion would be proper, friction between attorneys, testimony of Rodriquez will be deferred, they will be having a short day on Wednesday because of Judge Perry's plans, tells attorneys to go over reports of experts, make sure their opinions are included in depositions or reports, exclusion may be proper remedy if it continues

    9:39 - JB says defense will delay second witness, third witness should be here in 30 minutes
    Judge threatens Jose with Florida Bar, saying Florida Bar may look at his repeated violations
    Judge allows jurors to leave their jury room where they've been locked in all morning, give them a break until 10:25

    9:42 - HHJP saying he's going to begin at 8:30, cut the lunch hour, and work all day on Saturdays

    recess until 10:25

    (note: recess went way past 10:25 until 10:58)

    10:58 - HHJP returns, says per joint stipulation between attorneys, recess until 9:00 am Tuesday

    End of Monday's session

    per WFTV:

    (Please note that I could have missed events that took place on Saturday prior to 8:45. When I tuned it, Judge Perry just calling court into session. On Monday, I tuned in a bit late, so I don't know if there was a before 9 am session.)
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  2. #137
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    In the courtroom, Tuesday, June 21, 2011:

    I had a little time today to log some times.

    8:46:50 am - KC enters the courtroom.
    8:47:45 am - The judge enters the courtroom.
    8:48 am - The state (Mr. Ashton) starts with issues regrading cross exam of defense witness Eiklenbloom due to late discovery.
    8:54:16 am - Mr. Ashton finishes.
    8:54:29 am - Baez begins his response to the states's issues.
    8:59:58 am - Baez finishes.
    9:00:02 am - Mr. Ashton is up before the court again.
    9:00:54 am - Mr. Ashton finishes.
    9:00:57 am - The judge is addressing the attorneys.
    9:12:46 am - The jury returns.
    9:13:54 am - The judge states the defense may call their next witness.
    9:14:45 am - The witness (Jennifer Welch - OCSO Crime Scene Investigator) enters the courtroom.
    9:14:55 am - The witness is sworn in.
    9:15:21 am - The defense (Dorothy Simms) begins direct exam.
    9:27:14 am - D. Simms finishes direct.
    9:28:02 am - The State (Mr. Ashton) begins cross exam.
    9:28:45 am - Mr. Ashton finishes cross exam.
    9:29:08 am - D. Simms begins re-direct exam.
    9:31:24 am - D. Simms finishes re-direct.
    9:31:35 am - The witness is excused....subject to recall.
    9:32:02 am - The defense (D. Simms) calls Dr. Jane Bock (Botanist - Plant Anatomy, Forensic Botany) as their next witness.
    9:32:55 am - The witness (Jane Bock) enters the courtroom.
    9:33:13 am - The witness is sworn in.
    9:33:47 am - D. Simms begins direct exam. This witness suggests Caylee was only in the wooded area for 2 weeks. She is quite adamant about that.
    9:38:30 am - The judge accepts the witness as an expert.
    9:47:16 am - Mr. Ashton requests a sidebar.
    9:50:04 am - Sidebar is over.
    9:50:31 am - D. Simms resumes direct exam.
    9:52:43 am - D. Simms finishes direct.
    9:52:55 am - Mr. Ashton begins cross exam.
    10:24:42 am - Mr. Ashton finishes cross.
    10:25:11 am - D. Simms begins re-direct exam.
    10:32:48 am - D. Simms finishes re-direct.
    10:33:18 am - Mr. Ashton begins re-cross exam.

    Mr. Ashton asks the witness if she knew that Caylee's hip bone was found buried 4" deep in "muck". The witness did not know that. He asked her if it would take longer than 2 weeks for that to happen and the witness states "a dog could have buried the bone. They do that you know." Mr. Ashton laughed and quickly composed himself and said "a dog buried the bone?" With this, he finished with the witness.

    10:34:53 am - Mr. Ashton finishes re-cross.
    10:35:01 am - The witness is excused.

    10:37 am - Court is in recess - 20 minutes for the jury, 15 minutes for the attorneys.

    10:56:41 am - The judge states "the court will come to order.

    The judge state he may impose formal sanctions. There are 3 parts to this for him to consider.

    11:22:06 am - Part 1 - His Honor has concluded the discovery violations were not inadvertant.
    11:22:29 am - Part 2 - His Honor has to decide if the violations are trivial or substantial. He has decided they are not trivial, but are substantial.
    11:23:23: am - Part 3 - Is there a prejudicial effect on opposing party on presenting their case? Exclustion of testimony used in rare occassions. The court will not allow the witness (Dr. Eiklenbloom) to testify about DNA anaylsis at this time. His Honor gives Baez until next week (Saturday) to file any motions they want for a Frye hearing.

    11:27:18 am - Baez is speaking about supposed "new discovery" just handed to him by the state.
    11:27:32 am - The judge cuts him off. They will "take up that issue at noon during YOUR lunch hour Mr. Baez."

    I missed the rest of the morning, but it sounds like it was very good.

    LDB addresses the court about an imate that may have had contact with KC. The inmate's child drowned in the family swimming pool and the grandfather found the child. The grandfather called 911 and administered CPR, but the child didn't make it. One has to wonder if this scenario is not where KC came up with her latest story for her defense.

    Also, LDB stated they are going to use phone pings and computer evidence from June 16, 2008 on rebuttal to prove the defense's story is not credible and to prove KC was the only one at the Anthony home at the time Caylee supposedly drowned.

    The "new discovery" the state gave to Baez was copies of the Anthony computer hard drive that he received 3 years ago.
    If someone can find the link to this part of court today, it is WELL worth watching. I don't have time to type it all out here today.

    1:26:44 pm - KC enters the courtroom.
    1:34:00 pm - The jury returns.
    1:35:40 pm - Baez resumes direct with Dr. Eiklenbloom (sp).
    2:06:09 pm - Baez finishes direct.
    2:06:44 pm - Mr. Ashton begins cross exam.
    2:37:29 pm - Mr. Ashton finishes cross.
    2:37:39 pm - Baez begins re-direct exam.
    2:38:51 pm - Mr. Ashton requests sidebar.
    2:40:56 pm - Sidebar is over. Objection is over-ruled.
    2:41:21 pm - Baez resumes re-direct.

    3:02:50 pm - Court is in recess.

    3:24:34 pm - The jury returns.
    3:26:03 pm - Baez resumes re-direct.
    Last edited by watchinginky; 06-21-2011 at 03:54 PM. Reason: added more info

    "Stop acting like a two-year old".
    Jose Baez to Casey Anthony during jury selection

  3. #138
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    Tuesday, 21 June 2011, Day 24

    Jury brought to courthouse in smoked-windowed van around 8:00 AM
    8:30 – prosecutors in court

    WFTV says Dr. Rodriguez was NOT co-founder of Body Farm as he stated on stand on Saturday

    8:47:22 – Casey enters
    8:48:15 – Judge Enters
    JA says they completed deposition of Dr. Eiklenbloom, clearly a discovery violation has taken place, Dr. will be allowed to testify, the matter of DNA samples from carpet shouldn’t be mentioned, his belief DNA can be gathered from decomposition material – formulated opinion on Saturday, should have held a Fry hearing
    Recommends full sanctions against Defense counsel. Will hold issue of contempt for another day.
    Another Defense witness has already testified re: DNA, decomposition & carpet stains, jury has already heard it.

    8:54 – Jb reading his list of excuses. Eiklenbloom should testify on degradation of DNA. What he would suggest…!!! Saying JA creates ruse! JB pretending to be cooperative, blaming Ashton for JB’s fault.

    9:00:18 – JA will compromise in some respect.

    9:01 – HHJP asking about items for sent for testing up north, paid for by the state: shorts, clothing, bag she was found in, JA says witness wasn’t aware what was tested.

    9:03:40 – JB says different types of DNA. Witness tests for low copy number DNA, says state refused request, but allowed another test, not low copy.

    – HHJP grants JA’s request re: testimony, no DNA re: carpet, will be here ANOTHER TWO WEEKS, so they will schedule a Frye hearing in about a week giving state proper notice.

    9:11:56 – JB opposes state’s instruction. He read over it and will have to prepare another instruction. Will call another witness instead.

    9:13:29 – jury enters

    9:15:15 – Jennifer Welch, CSI, defense witness
    DCS asks about report 1 Feb 2009 aka End of Day Observations, 14 Dec 2008
    Dec 12 – 14 areas cleared of leaf litter and vegetation, 0 – 4 “ around trees & tree roots, 0 – 10” with tape measure
    p. 22 took pictures, cleared away vines obstructing view, but didn’t remove anything from remains took photos after scene cleared
    HHJP telling DCS to speak up, JA asking what she said, DCS seems very inexperienced, or at least very rusty or ill-prepared.
    Showing pic # 27of scene after vegetation cleared, log near skull, moved by Steve Hansen and Susan Meres (sp)
    Pic of scene after hanging veg. removed # 28

    9:27:36- DCS no more questions
    JA asks for pictures just used, pic # 27, can you point where skull was in pic? No
    JA no more questions

    9:29 – DCS asking if witness cataloged pictures. Witness says system creates numbers when she uploads pictures.
    Do you have call #s? Yes. Do you have # 1838? No. Asks witness to read her call #s.

    9:31:57 – Witness excused, subject to recall

    9:33:33 – Dr. Jane Bock, Botanist, plants & forensic botany, defense witness
    DCS and Defense guy setting up exhibits
    DCS asks witness to speak into microphone!

    9:39:00 – she looked at photos taken by medical examiners, visited recovery site, read reports by ME, Jennifer Welch, David Hall botanist
    Bock visited site on 1 Feb 2009 (7 weeks and one day after remains were found)
    Patrick McKenna took photographs of her at the site and her work there on 1 Feb 2009

    9:42 – JA suggests putting mic on DCS

    9:43 – pic of leaf litter # 29
    visited site 7 weeks, one day after remains discovered
    claims remains placed in area 2 weeks before discovered!!!
    Vegetation under vehicle, bits of leaves from camphor trees – none at the scene in the woods (does she know the car was driven for weeks later?)

    9:49sidebar # 1

    9:50:51 – end sidebar, JA continues
    Dr. Bock seems unsure, edgy
    Can’t tell how old roots are by looking at photos, too many variables

    9:53 – JA questions, she’s from Colorado, how much time spent in Florida as a botanist? Did thesis in 1966, on estuaries, semi-marine areas, food habits of tortoise! a vegetarian 1980-1990, her parents live in Florida, a friend wrote a Florida flora book!, read studies on grasses & grasslands, different area have different ecologies – swamp – hardwood trees at Suburban, some plants require much water
    In her opinion, could vegetation grow there in 2 weeks? Yes She says accumulated there. JA asking about roots in bone, 2 weeks in December? Claims she saw pics and bones. Never had experience with root growth in skeleton in place for several years. (her testimony sounds off)
    Ref: her depo, p 64 – changing her answer from depo, claims in a group she saw a 10-year-old skeleton, had limited experience with bones (defense should have warned her JA would compare her testimony to her depo)
    JA says leaf litter to near eyes of skull? Evasive answer. JA showing pic of skull with leaves. Bock says may be leaf, may be humus
    JA wants to know if it can accumulate in two weeks? Pic of skull with leaf litter at M.E. office – leaves of various colors including brown – just two weeks in Dec? Witness asks left or right side? JA describes how M.E. collected skull with leaves from site. He gives witness hypothesis, Yes, longer than 2 weeks.
    Basing less than 2 weeks by 1st pic of leaf letter shown, # 29

    10:14 – JA putting on microphone, asking witness to step down to look at big pic of # 29
    witness says she didn’t measure leaf depth

    10:17Casey has had head down, in “thinker” position, since beginning of skull talk

    10:18 – JA says one side of photo has more leaves than other side, why? Witness says people trampling the area, the wind, animals, semi-tropic plants, some evergreen trees, some trees drop leaves in Fall, she was TOLD where skull was, photographer visited a week before with LKB & expert witnesses

    10:21:55 – JA asking if she can render an opinion when Caylee was placed there? No, Yes - JA says, “You’ve lost me”. Two weeks? Witness says, “I don’t remember”
    re” depo – when she said “No, can’t give opinion”, depo taken in Feb.
    witness says body could have been there two weeks, possible it was there much longer

    10:25:41 – DCS asking how long she studied plants/botany in semi-tropical area – 30 years, taught 31 years. Asking root can or can’t grow into bone holes? Witness says no leaf litter on log, did anyone examine log? Jennifer Welch said it took two people to move it.

    10:29:03 – DCS asking witness to step down to draw on big tablet – soil, humus

    10:30Casey popped her head up when JA finished, now she looks bored

    10:33:15 – DCS ends re-direct
    JA asks if skull sank into leaf litter? She wasn’t aware hip bone was buried on the muck, says a dog or coyote could have buried it.
    The look on JA’s face was priceless at this moment.

    10:35:30 – witness excused – RECESS – 20 minutes for jury, 15 minutes for attorneys

    10:54 – judge in courtroom
    instruction by state & one by defense re: Richard Eiklenbloom, he provided an affidavit 21 Jan 2011, one page
    HHJP reading his rules for witnesses, JB objects saying he removed objected sections

    11:00:57 – Richard Eiklenbloom takes stand
    HHJP when were you contacted? 13 July 2010
    Ever informed report re: opinions? Only affidavit, nothing else
    JP reads his specuifications for witness. Ever informed of this order of the court? No. Not living in USA at time of his report. How did you communicate with defense team? E-mails, telephone, Skype. Main communication with Jose Baez, and some with Michelle. Ever asked to write complete report? On Saturday night, wrote short report. How many times between Dec 2010 – June 2011 were you in contact with defense? Were you ever out of touch? No. Disappear at any time? No

    11:10 – JB asking if he’s ever had to write reports on other cases? Yes
    JA asked something, didn’t hear what

    HHJP reading history of why the rules were established re: wtiness testimonies, responsibilities of attorneys, finds willful discovery violations, substantial prejudicial to opposing party, witness didn’t offer report, should JP exclude testimony re: DNA without Frye hearing

    11:25 – HHJP not allowing witness to testify re: DNA, decomp on carpet, must file report by Saturday – will then see if Frye hearing is necessary – remedy short of exclusion

    11:27 – JB says state just gave them compact disk, judge says we’ll take that up at noon on your lunch hour
    JA asking witness if anything re: DNA decomp on powerpoint.

    11:32:40 – jury seated
    11:33 – witness sworn in, HHJO reading stipulation to jury

    11:33:56 – Richard Eiklenbloom, DNA scientist, 20 years, from The Netherlands, Dept of Serology
    JB direct –

    - JA wants voir dire of witness – Engineer Degree in Biochemistry, uses luminal light for blood stains

    11:42 – JA objects to witness as expert in DNA
    JB questions more about experience

    11:47sidebar # 2

    11:53 – accepted as DNA expert – RECESS for lunch until 1:25 – witness leaves for lunch

    11:54 – JB saying state gave him compact disk taken 26 June 2008 from Anthony home includes pics of shot girls, just getting discovery after state’s witnesses testified on this subject, asking for Richardson hearing

    LDB says recently, last week, a citizen called their office about April Whalen, an inmate who was in OC Jail same time as Casey Anthony (2009), April’s child drowned in a swimming pool [boy, Christmas Day, 2007, per WFTV] at their home and was found by grandfather, unknown if inmate had contact with Casey Anthony or anyone else (items # 1-6 given to JB). JB has had info on disk for years, they gave it to counsel years ago (complete hard drive info), and today gave another copy to defense today in case state needs it for rebuttal as a demonstrative aid (item # 7). State is continually receiving information from concerned citizens.

    HHJP says items # 1-6 okay.
    JB says copy of hard drive is too much, like handing them 50 phone books, now they give them CD with some info which was on hard drive. Says Defense withdrew its computer expert witness.

    LDB says it was computer activity and all data from 16 June 2008 that’s on disk she gave JB.

    HHJP says 16th was the last day the victim was seen by grandparents, implicates what activities took place by family, GA, CA, LA, KC, in the 24 hours of 15, 16, 17 June crucial dates. It was given to JB, he chose not to look at relevant dates, it’s not new evidence, what JB chooses to do with it is his business

    12:16:55RECESS until 1:25/1:30

    1:28:12Casey returns to court, talking to JB, JB twitching his head from side to side, tapping his fingers & pen

    1:32:13 - HHJP returns
    JB asks judge to explain to jury about half day tomorrow being due to Judge and not JB/Defense. Wednesday till noon because of state’s trail court budget meeting

    1:24:30 – jury returns

    – JB direct – Richard Eiklenbloom, witness, explains DNA, factors of DNA being destroyed, disk, powerpoint, demonstrative exhibit

    1:59 – talking about duct tape, non-sticky side possible contamination, could it override DNA? Lower DNA masked? Or all DNA gone? Sticky side duct tape, found 17 allele, human DNA, small amount
    can extract human DNA from maggots, flies

    2:07:05 – JA cross, witness hasn’t PhD., presently student at University of Denver, studying for PhD.
    Re: their DNA company in Holland, has 3 people, lab in converted barn, 2008 expanded business to USA, great potential for business, USA lab not open yet, Did you invent low copy number DNA testing? Did you purchase a special kit? New kits on market/

    2:24 – JA asks hot, wet, environment is worse for DNA? Yes and bacteria is bad too.
    DNA on duct tape placed on human being, dumped into hot swampy area for 6 months bad for DNA, test bone for DNA, don’t swab outside of bone, DNA degradates, no flesh/skin on bones, extremely unlikely? Very difficult
    Example: 15 allele only masks identical low profile 15 allele, allele only masks identical low profile allele
    Did you ask to retest this test? No
    Do you know if any item in this case was retested by the defense? No

    2:38 – JB re-direct – asking about his lab & reputation
    JA asked to approach, No, asked to approach again, YES

    2:39sidebar # 3

    2:41:51 – when did you first get contacted by someone in USA to work on a case?
    The Masters case – body exposed to elements, able to get DNA from clothing
    JB asking if state refused to allow further DNA testing?

    2:56:34 – JA objects, relevancy – sidebar # 4

    3:02:55 – judge calls recess until 3:20

    HHJP said he needs to research because delicate balance on side of burden of proof re: JA’s question if witness was asked by defense to retest duct tape

    3:26 – JB continues his questioning
    3:28:30 – JA re-cross
    the small amount of DNA, the harder to relate to the crime, possibility of contamination greater
    Possible results for low copy number DNA:
    1) found nothing
    2) Caylee’s DNA
    3) Unknown DNA

    Unknown person or contamination – check DNA database of criminals & labworkers
    Secondary transfer possible, showing pics of samples of cases from witness files, asking if any were skeletonized? No

    3:36 – JB asking if can get DNA from clothing & other items for skeletonized remains? It depends
    JB saying 4th scenario in JA’s example, 4) duct tape never on Caylee’s face

    JA asking about rotting flesh & duct tape, if it rots, won’t all decompose? Yes
    Does it make a difference? In the elements?

    sidebar # 5

    witness excused for today

    – Yuri Melich, OCSO detective, defense witness
    JB direct – 8 Aug 2008 search of home, find any papers, bottles, cloths, products to make chloroform, receipts
    11 Dec 2008 search – anything relating to chloroform. Yuri asks to see copy of search warrant. Yes, they looked for chloroform items.
    20 Dec 2008 search – didn’t look for chloroform on this day, if found one he would have gotten an addendum to search warrant

    3:49 – LDB cross – on 8 Aug 2008, there was no reason to search for chloroform because test results of car not returned until late August, KC was in jail, then out of jail in late August

    JB re-direct – KC was out of jail, tests came back, why not search again?
    Yuri M said because we were looking for a living child at that time.

    Witness excused, subject to recall

    3:54:34 – Marcus Bainwise, witness, Research scientist, Oakridge National Laboratory, analytical chemistry, 27 years, research scientist, first time testifying in court
    JB direct -
    Dr. Arpad Vass requested he test some items
    “I don’t remember” 3 times re: questions asked
    JA objects saying “items” vague, sustained
    Speaks of his machine – chromatogram? – shows peaks of how much
    chloroform is a volatile chemical, evaporates like gasoline, decreases over time
    depends on 1) temperature of surface, 2) what surface is made from, 3) flowing air
    needs to know airflow in trunk, how many days in trunk, too many variables
    not surprised sample bags had nothing because volatile chemicals evaporate
    some chloroform was there, largest peak in chromatogram, vapor inside can with other chemicals

    4:20 – JB keeps interrupting his own witness
    tested 95° for a few days, again chloroform was highest peak on chromatogram

    4:28 – talking Benzine contamination
    4:29sidebar # 6

    4:33:30 – take 7 minutes stretch break

    4:42:11 – HHJP on bench yawning

    4:44:36 – jury returns
    JB questions witness Marcus Bain Wise
    Chromatograph? Air tests, water in air
    Related state evidence #122 sample frozen several times

    4:51:10 – JB trying to discredit Dr. Vass as a non-chemist, witness wouldn’t bite
    no other chemist verified his results
    state exhibit # 117 – trash found inside vehicle

    (sorry, I fell asleep on this testimony)

    – JA cross – asking about air tests, gasoline found, consistent in trunk, not unexpected, considerable chloroform
    JB objects 2 times, overruled
    Machine set at 1 part per million, didn’t expect to see high levels of chloroform in test, couldn’t find good explanation for chloroform, unsure exactly where it came from, chloroform would have been stronger earlier, not weaker, were testing things coming directly from carpet

    5:40 JB re-direct
    asking if witness will gain from inventions? minimal gains, belongs to Oakridge Lab, Labrador Project funded project, research project
    LE and first responders use the machine

    JA re-cross – item used by military, no benefits from Laboratory financially, no royalty from Federal Govt use

    Court recessed until 9:00 AM
    5:55 – judge saying to attorneys if there are issues be in court at 8:30

    Bill Shaeffer, WFTV, saying last witness not favorable for Defense, protected reputation of Dr. Vass

    I hope someone else can please watch and take notes on Saturday because I won't be available, especially since HHJP has stated they'' hold court all day.

    I haven't had time to make or look at charts for the trial as I'm always exhausted after the sessions each day.
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    WED, Day 25 - 6/22/11

    6/22/11 WEDNESDAY Day 25
    Note: Judge Perry announced yesterday that today would be a half day because of other obligations regarding the circuit courts/budgets

    8:58 Jury enters
    8:59 Maureen Bottrell- Geologist Forensic Examiner for FBI
    9:14 Ashton cross
    9:16 Baez back
    9:18 Witness excused
    9:20 Madeline Montgomaery- Forensic Toxologist FBI
    9:32 Ashton- clarified that choloroform does NOT show up in hair
    9:35 Wintess excused
    (9:37 Michael Sigman- SWORN IN- U central FL- chemist (was at Oakridge and knew Dr. Vass-left in 2002) he responded to sheriff office who said Dr. Vass asked he’d help acquire air samples(these were the initial samples without Dr.’ Vass equipment he later sent to Orlando) 10:09 Mason done questioning- Ashton asks for recess
    10:09 RECESS for 10 min
    10:28 Judge at bench
    10:28 Mason asks for side bar before jury brought back in
    10:32 jury returns
    10:33 Ashton crosses:
    10:46 Mason re directs
    10:48 Ashton re directs
    10:48 witness excused
    10:49 Baez calls Susan Mears
    10:50 Susan Mears SWORN IN- OC Sheriff office/Crime Scene Supervisor
    10:54 Witness excused
    10:55 Dr. Michael Rickenbach- Forensic Chemist Examiner FBI- begins to ask question about something not admitted into evidence
    10:59 side bar- Judge had sustained objection by Ashton and agreed to sidebar
    11:02 Baez continues and re the Dr’s report of Dec 2008- she was asked to test for volatile substance chloroform-Chloroform was not found in the particular items. Steering wheel and car seat (only cuttings of those items) Then to report of 7/09: Doll was submitted (sampling) chloroform not identified
    11:10 Ashton crosses: when analyzing the doll, there were indication chloroform may be present so he requested a similar doll that may be avail to see if common, therefore was not enough to say there WAS.
    11:11 Baez asks for sidebar
    11:14- Ashton continues: witness explains his testing and comparison w/the ‘control sample’ doll.
    11:15 Baez
    11:17 no re cross Ashton asks for sidebar
    11:18 Baez up- asks about Gatorade bottle-the liquids in bottle and syringe- shoes pic of the bottle
    11:23 Ashton up
    11:24 Witness excused
    11:25 KarenKorsberg-Lowes SWORN IN - Expert in Hair & Fiber analysis
    11:31 Ashton asks for sidebar
    11:38 Baez continues
    11:40 Ashton objects & judge calls sidebar (sometime thereafter, jury recessed)
    11:47 Baez walks back to podium – now speaking w/Ashton going over docs, Judge leaves briefly
    11:52 Jury returns
    11:54 Baez continues – found unidentified Caucasian hair – made comparisons to rule out anyone who had access to the scene. . Refers to 6/25/09 report- items from scene, some from vehicle and residence. She issued 9 reports in this case
    12:00 Ashton - the one hair Q107-
    12:01 Baez redirects - was not given other items from A’s home to test
    12:02 Witness excused subject to recall

    12:02 Judge announces he has other obligations and will see everyone in the morning, extend working hours on Saturday.

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    Wednesday, 22 June 2011, Day 25

    (Thanks to mombomb, who took such wonderful notes in the trial thread, I was able to fill in the things I missed when my live feed skipped and finally stalled, forcing me to refresh several times.)

    8:30 – attorneys present

    8:41 – Casey enters – begins her day of “work”

    8:55 – HHJP enters
    tells attorneys to approach, no court reporter needed
    (I’m not counting this as an official sidebar since court reporter isn’t being used)

    8:58:50 – jury enters

    9:00Maureen Bottrell, defense witness, Geologist Forensic Examiner, FBI, 16 years
    BS & Masters Degrees, University of Georgia
    JB questions –
    Comparison analysis of soils
    Debris from trunk & around trunk
    22 pairs shoes from Anthony home and transport bag they were carried in
    soil from Suburban

    9:10 – JA cross - asks for moment with counsel
    JA - stipulation soil taken after top layer of soil removed at Suburban site
    JB continues - Trunk, mixed samples, not suitable for provenance study, no comparison done for trunk, study for soil on shovel stopped because remains were found – they were trying to locate when soil came from, no need after body discovered

    Many shoes unworn, some had minor wearing, 3 pairs with soil, not from remains site, in transport bag found nothing

    9:15 – JA asking if test proves shoes have never been to Suburban? No
    Witness explains how it wouldn’t show up on shoes, absence of soil means nothing

    - JB re-direct - Asking if scenarios mentioned are speculating? No

    Witness excused

    9:19 – JA wants sidebar # 1

    Madeline Montgomery, defense witness, Forensic Toxicology, FBI, 15 years, George Washington University
    JB direct -
    tests for drugs, poisons – hair, liver, brain
    she does testing for FBI, state, and local

    testings on Caylee’s hair mass, state # 271, for alprazolam (xanax) clonazepam, negative, tested for 9 other drugs - Valium, ruffies (date rate drug), and other benzos - also ketamine. All negative.

    Not always able to get a positive result from hair tests, even in controlled settings

    – JA direct – hair isn’t best way of testing for drugs, even if positive, can’t tell when exposed to drug, they don’t test for chloroform

    9:35 – JB re-direct – can test for chloroform in liquids but not in hair

    9:36 – witness excused

    9:36:51Michael Sigman, defense witness, Chemistry Professor, University of Central Florida, formerly worked at Oakridge National Laboratory, knows Dr. Arpad Vass since 1990
    CM – direct – was contacted by Eric Walton, UCF police about this case
    Dr. Vass wasn’t available and recommend M. Sigman because he was local to collect air samples from vehicle trunk
    Used Tedlar Bags to collect air samples
    Doug Clark, his lab associate at UCF, assisted, they went to OCSO, pulled air from the vehicle trunk, opened trunk enough to get needle inside and suck air into bags
    2 samples: 1 liter bag & 300 ml bag
    left the two bags with OCSO
    large bag went to Dr. Vass
    small bag went to UCF
    UCF tests – organic components, gasoline
    More micro-fiber samples in trunk = 7 ˝ hours
    Stronger response than from air bags
    Gasoline, chloroform, dimetheldephoxide ?, tetrachloroethylene,
    Was human decomposition in trunk? Can’t conclusively determine human remains in car. Does understand there was “garbage” in there.
    Took six air samples total: 2 Tedlar bags, two 40- minutes exposures to trunk, two 7 ˝ hours exposure to trunk
    Could be attributed to gasoline.

    10:09 – CM ends - JA asks for recess, 15 minutes

    10:28sidebar # 2

    10:32 – sidebar ends, return jury

    10:33:14 – JA begins –
    July 21, 2008 first air samples taken, cracked open trunk, inserted 8” needle, didn’t know carpet and spare tire cover had been removed on July 17th.
    JA asking size of ml. – small amount of air, asking about chlorine from a swimsuit, and about chlorine, chloroform, et cetera. Was there an odor from the trunk? Yes.
    Witness has no background in human decomposition.

    10:47 – JA ends
    CM up – re-direct
    Asking about tests & 3 compounds, unsure of source of those compounds, mostly gasoline, yes.

    10:48:30 – JA asks if witness was surprised to find gasoline? No
    10:49 – JA ends

    10:49Susan Mears, defense witness, OCSO, crime scene supervisor
    JB showing pics – red plastic Disney World bag, inside was a Gatorade bottle, how far from skull was it found? Seven inches.
    No more questions

    10:54 – witness excused

    10:55Dr. Michael Rickenbach, FBI Forensic Chemist, forensic chemistry, defense witness
    JB questions – report submitted 6 July 2009
    Bottle, liquid, syringe with liquid

    10:58:15 – JA objects, items not in evidence, JB says they’re in possession of the Sheriff’s Office

    sidebar # 3

    Report of 11 December 2008
    received items from OCSO, carseat Q-47 and steering wheel cover Q-48.
    no chloroform found on either, didn't analyze entire carseat, only took samples from it
    Doesn't know why steering wheel cover was requested

    Were you informed that chloroform might have been on someone's hands?

    OBJECTION, hearsay, relevance, SUSTAINED

    Report of 6 July 2009
    He was given doll

    JA - if item is marked, it should be put into evidence before being discussed

    HHJP - he can say what he has seen

    Box marked as Defense Exhibit 33 - doll, took a sampling, analysis of sampling showed no chloroform

    No further questions.

    11:09:30 - JA cross
    Re: doll, was there not an earlier indication of chloroform? there were indications chloroform may be present in very small amounts, he asked for another doll, co-worker brought in a doll, very small amounts found. Witness stated there wasn't enough to make a determination.

    11:11:18 - JB wants sidebar # 4

    11:14:30 - end sidebar
    JA - The negative control is usually run with the same sample. Because he got indications of possible chloroform, he wanted a negative control doll. He got it and it gave very, very low indications of chloroform also and therefore, he was not comfortable to say chloroform was present. The negative control was a similar doll. (thanks to mombomb for this)
    chloroform amounts were too small

    No further questions

    11:16:10 - JB re-direct - asking about the dolls
    Co-worker has a doll with chloroform on it? Not what witness said
    Didn't have enough data to say that chloroform was on either item. Chloroform may have been produced in the manufacturing of the dolls. (blame China!)

    11:17 - JA wants Sidebar # 5

    Results in report of 6 July 2009

    Analyzed liquid in the gatorade bottle and syringe
    JB showning Defense exhibit # 32 - a photo of gatorade bottle. The liquid could've been a cleaning product, testosterone products were also identified. Syringe also contained testosterone compounds.
    Liquid substance was identified by using GCMS and time of flight MS. (thanks, mombomb)
    Detected very low levels chloroform in liquid in bottle, didn't report them because at such low levels, could have come from cleaning product

    JA stating testimony was provisional with the items being placed into evidence at some later point.
    JA re-cross (missed time)
    He did not report out the chloroform because it was in such a low amount.
    GCMS can't identify cleaning product, but the components led to possibility it could be a cleaning product

    11:24:40 - witness excused

    11:26 - Karen Lowe, defense witness, Hair Expert
    JB - direct - hair & fiber analysis, clothing from Casey's closet & bedding, looking for hair fibers

    Report of 13 August 2008
    tested items of clothing from KC's closet, hairs and fibers were tested, no findings of apparent decomposition.

    Report 13 October 2008
    debris from a trash box from the vehicle,no signs of apparent decomp found

    Report 1 October 2008
    specimen Q-25.1. This hair examined for decomp, none found, was from trunk liner

    6 November 2009 (or maybe December?)
    4 items analyzed, no apparent decomp found

    11:33 - sidebar # 6

    Report of 25 June 2009
    trash from Sunfire
    12 items from trash
    8 items from trunk
    found no decomp on hairs

    items from the ME's office, fibers from Caylee, compared fibers with fibers found in trunk, no fibers consistent with apparent decomp

    Items from the A residence - fabric comparison of duct tape from remains and duct tape found in the residence, woven fabrics - polyester & cotton (res.), only polyester (remains) - not from same source.
    Vacuum cleaners from residence collected months later, not examined at that time, did examine them later

    11:38:58 - hairs # 217 compared hair mass. One hair found not consistent with Caylee's hair

    11:41:55 - sidebar # 7

    - Judge says take a 5 to 10 minute recess

    11:52:49 - jury returns

    11:54:25 - JB - unknown hair collected from scene, had to test individuals who had been at recovery scene (witness lists names of people who were tested) - not list of everyone at scene, that hair is still unidentified
    examined items from scene, residence, car - she issued 9 reports
    How many hairs? Many
    Only one hair with decomposition

    11:59:55 - JA cross - re: unknown hair, decomp hair from trunk, witness didn't know if Casey was living at Anthony house where hair was collected

    JB re-direct - asks if she would have tested hair from where Casey was staying if it had been given to her? Yes. (duh, JB)

    11:02:10 - witness excused

    12:03 - recess until tomorrow, will have extended day on Saturday - jury exits

    12:05:29 - dismisses attorneys and court for the day until 9AM, 8:30 for attorney matters

    I hope someone else can please watch and take notes on Saturday because I won't be available, especially since HHJP has stated they'll hold court all day.

    (All errors, misspellings, typos, and comments my own)
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    have only a few notes for the earlier part of the day. Will add when I have some time later today.

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    Thursday, 23 June 2011, Day 26

    8:37:00 – George & Cindy in court and attorneys present

    8:59:03 – Casey enters

    8:59:48 – JJHP enters, JB asks for gathering at sidebar, JP says quickly, it should have been done earlier - SIDEBAR # 1

    9:02:30 – end sidebar

    9:03:39 – jury enters

    9:04:38 – Susan Mears, defense witness, returns,
    JB says Mears was asked to bring in items: Disney bag with Gatorade, Gatorade bottle with syringe and cardboard bathroom tissue paper holder inside
    LDB says something about syringes & Rickenbach’s testimony (couldn’t hear everything)
    Items received in evidence
    No more questions from the defense or the state

    9:09:43 – Stephen Shaw, defense witness, returns, FBI trace evidence, hair & fibers
    JB showing photos of hairs – ante-mortem in study done after giving his deposition

    9:13SIDEBAR # 2

    9:15:31 – photos entered into evidence
    JB brings out pics on big board, showing pictures of the hairs used in witness’ experiment with ante-mortem and post-mortem hairs, for possible deathbanding on hair
    Report of 27 January 2009 – hairs & fibers from Caylee’s hair mass and three pieces of duct tape – no hairs suitable for testing, consistant with hair mass & duct tape, textile fibers preserved, no tests done

    9:34 – JA cross
    re: study of hair in cars, photos already in evidence

    9:37:55 – JA showing pics – 600 hairs from 15 living individuals, before & after pics, some changes in appearance, no decomposition, color of hair doesn’t make any difference, showing lots of pics from experiment

    9:52:43 – KC & DCS whispering while JA showing pics of post-mortem hairs

    10:02:54 – JA ends

    10:03:01 – JB asks did you test any hairs from garbage? Post-mortem hairs don’t list days they were exposed, Shaw refers to his notes, outside environmental conditions are different in Tennessee test than Florida conditions
    post-mortem banding is well-established science, testing was done to learn more, can’t say a hair definitely came from a dead person, JB badgering with repeating same question over & over – JA objects – arguing, sustained

    10:17:05 – JB ends
    JA asks 2 questions to clarify the mess JB made, no ante-mortem hairs had post-mortem banding
    JB asks 2 questions both objections sustained, he finally quits

    10:19:30 – RECESS 20 minutes until 10:40

    10:40:10 – Judge enters
    DCS getting ready to direct

    10:43:02 – Dr. Barry Logan, defense witness, forensic toxicologist & analytical chemist, PhD. From Univeristy of Glasgow, University of Tennessee
    tests for drugs, poisons, chemicals, NMS Labs in Pennsylvania
    DCS asks if there’s a special division to test for decomposition analysis?

    – JA objects, relevance, approach - SIDEBAR # 3

    10:58:12 – end of sidebar, JA’s objection sustained

    11:03:20 – JA asking about witness’ work in chemistry vs. toxicology? Director of toxicology, his area limited to toxicology, not expert in all areas of forensic chemistry
    JA wants him known as expert witness only in toxicology, not chemistry

    11:08 – HHJP says witness accepted as expert only in forensic toxicology

    evidence for items of trunk of vehicle, documents & reports of this case including autopsy
    2008 article by Dr. Arpad Vass, Journal of Forensic Science re: decomposition odors

    DCS bringing out JB’s big tablet & easel

    11:13 – JA wants SIDEBAR # 4 – DCS, JA, JB, HHJP

    11:21 – end sidebar
    witness explains research labs usually associated with academic setting
    JA objects twice, sustained, another objection, overruled, many more objections along the way, can’t keep track
    Identify reports reviewed
    Logan re: records (long list given)
    11:28:20 – JA objects for 50th time (I’m guessing) - SIDEBAR # 5

    11:31:20 – end sidebar, any protocols set for tests in Oakridge Labs? No, according to articles. JA objection sustained.
    DCS - what problems with not having protocols? No standards to follow

    11:33 – JA objects, moves to strike witness’ answer

    11:33:10SIDEBAR # 6

    11:37 – protections against contaminations? JA objects, sustained
    any quality assurance? Saw none?

    (Too many objections & broken questions to follow. NOT impressed with DCS’s work, she appears to be grasping and not well-prepared – she would be a good subject for another chart and this case, imo.)

    11:43:20SIDEBAR # 7

    11:45:20 – end sidebar
    DSC asking about blank samples, it’s used as an extra test

    11:55:55SIDEBAR # 8

    (note: this witness no longer with lab he stated when giving his credentials, there were problems according to Bill Sheaffer, WFTV)

    11:58 - end of sidebar, Lunch RECESS until 1:30

    1:29 – HHJP asking for witness Logan to return to stand

    1:31:20 – jury returns
    DCS resumes re-direct – witness Logan, asks about where 4 fatty acids found? Found on paper towels

    1:33 – JA re-cross – are these fatty acids found together? In decomposing animal fat, 4 fatty acids in adipocere & dairy products, any other compounds found in meats, cheese & butter not in adipocere? Yes.
    Are scientists faced with challenges to protocol? Yes, need to establish new protocols, not contained in Journal of Forensic Science? Not all.
    Re: blank test?
    Errors & problems? Must stop test, correct error/problem, and start over again? Yes. Dr Vass made notes of why test failed, made corrections & ran tests again
    JA ends

    1:40:39 – DCS asks about challenges, JA objects, sustained
    published protocols how to collect from car? No. published protocols how to collect carpet? No.
    JA objects, outside of expertise, sustained
    * DCS asks - Can you reproduce the Vass test? No, no way to know. (this is the question that caused problems because this witness wasn’t qualified to answer, which led JA to get carried away with the cans)
    DCS ends

    1:43:12 – JA asking if Logan’s lab could do the air test in question? Yes.
    * JA puts can on the witness stand, can you do these tests?

    1:44:45 - * DCS objects to BURDEN OF PROOF – SIDEBAR # 9

    1:50 – jury leaves courtroom

    * noted above are the problems which caused so much trouble

    1:54:55 – Judge & attorneys talking about various other cases – reading them
    JA says familiar with the case

    1:59:10 – Judge ready to hear arguments on both sides
    JA says defense kicked door open for him to ask why?
    (Casey appears to be reading a law binder, too, a good little attorney she is)

    2:04:25 – Judge says Florida Supreme Court burden of proof shifting, re: Hayes;
    Jackson vs. State; Overton; Judge said he asked Defense to read Cuban vs. State before lunch

    2:13 - * witness not qualified as expert in air samples to render opinions
    Door not opened, but defense was trying to open it, line of questioning with cans not good
    DCS saying jury should be told – Judge says no, telling DCS she didn’t object to cans, but objected to burden of proof
    Mason wants instruction to jury on burden of proof

    Judge tells JA he can proffer now

    JA asking witness he could test with tedlar bags, detail by detail? Yes, No, not enough information on how to test was performed.
    Both sides read another case

    2:24 – 10 minutes RECESS

    2:36 – SIDEBAR # 10
    2:40 – Judge reading instruction on burden of proof in Florida, defense has no burden to prove anything

    2:43:50 – jury enters
    Judge tells jury above instruction

    JA asking if witness hasn’t done chemistry since college, 20 years ago
    No more question from JA or DCS
    Witness excused

    2:46:32 – Jennifer Welch, CSI photographer was at discovery scene,
    JB asking if Caylee’s shoes or socks were found at the scene? No.
    Witness excused

    (Is he kidding? Little kids don’t always wear shoes & socks inside their homes in the hot months. Caylee could have been barefooted or wearing little flip flops that weren’t transferred with her.)

    2:48:30 – Cindy Anthony, witness
    JB direct – asking about home desktop computer, all family, even Casey’s friends used the computer, did you search in March 2008 for chloroform? Yes, chlorophyll, dogs were ill, the chloroform, hand sanitizers around small child children, acetone, hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol. Cindy claimed someone was injured and she looked up injuries.
    Claims there was an error in her time card, her supervisor did it, scheduled as working while on vacation, not allowed to work/show more than 8 hours per 8 hour days
    Pics of Sunfire’s trunk shown, it was purchased in 2000 for Lee, George and Cindy bought it, Lee drove it until 2005, George and Casey drove it after then
    Stain in truck was there when they bought it, when she cleaned the car, she thought she saw an indentation of cylinder can in trunk
    JB – no more questions

    3:00:20 – LDB cross – asking was she home 17 March 2008? Yes, it’s possible even though work records show she was at work
    21 March 2008 – claiming she was home even though work records say she was there
    (Guess where Casey got her ability to spin a yarn)

    3:03:58 – DCS tells something to Casey, KC turned her back to DCS

    3:05:30 – LDS still in cross of Cindy, after Linda asks her for a timeframe when she learned the computer searches were in question, Cindy responds prior to her arrest on check charges.

    3:09:22 – “how to make chloroform” – Cindy doesn’t recall typing the phrase on the chloroform, just on the word
    neckbreaking – no – but a popup ad had those words
    inhalation – no

    which search engine? Google or Yahoo
    which browser? Don’t understand
    two profiles on computer – no password needed – computer is usually on at the house
    druglibrary.com? all the time
    on website chloroform 84 times?

    3:15:23 – state’s exhibit # 80 – pic of trunk, stain near/above “B” marker – claims it was there when they bought car

    3:16 – JB asks 4 questions on re-cross

    3:19:32 – Sandra Osborne, Defense witness, Computer Forensic Examiner
    JB direct – Anthonys’ desktop computer search for chloroform, found hit, deleted internet history, gave it to her Sergeant, used NetAnalysis, different from CacheBack, they use both

    3:24:52 – JB handing disk to witness, doesn’t recognize CD – Firefox
    Report 20 August 2008
    deleted history Firefox
    XL spreadsheet
    Format is different than her report

    LDB objects – says not one witness produced, sustained
    JB says it was a highlighted form so he show’s her the “original” = not hers, not her document

    3:34:45 – LDB asks about password Rico??? (didn’t get the numbers)

    3:34:56 – asks if computer if computer is on is password needed? It depends how it’s set

    3:35 - witness excused, subject to recall

    3:37:21 – Kevin Stenger, witness, OCSO Sgt, Computer Sepcialist
    re: HP coumpter, NetAnalysis & CacheBack
    re: Aug 2008

    2:41:24SIDEBAR # 11

    RECESS until 3:50

    SIDEBAR # 12

    4:09:56 – jury enters
    Kevin Stenger on stand
    LDB objects, relevance of exhibit, establish relevance of certain pages
    JB says can take them out
    Problems with dates & times not being accurate because of EST to DST
    Took at least a day to remedy the problem

    scispot.com – visited once, using CacheBack
    MySpace 84 times, not using CacheBack ?

    20 March 2008
    MySpace – 83x

    19 March 2008
    MySpace typed 82x

    13 march
    MySpace 81x

    CacheBack report only for single day information
    Problems with NetAnalysis due to change to DST
    Reports are different
    CacheBack report 17 March 2008
    Stenger didn’t testify to these reports, Mr. Bradley did

    4:33:30 – JB ends

    LDB cross – 17 & 21 march 2008, set for those days, program generated dated
    Mr. Bradley wrote software
    Googles searches for chloroform, spelled specifically :how to make chloroform”
    Wouldn’t appear for chlorophyll
    Dates & times on both programs appear accurate
    Net Analysis & CacheBack were 20 seconds apart

    4:42 - LDB ends

    4:42 - JB re-direct – chloroform 3 minutes
    JB ends

    4:45:11 – LDB asking about tabs in pc brower, how long on page or printer wouldn’t appear on report? No

    JB – tab stuff, speculation

    4:47:11 – witness excused

    4:48:15SIDEBAR # 13

    4:49:59 – end sidebar
    Judge recessing jury for the day, legal matters to take up

    Nick Savage & Erin Martin, proffer
    Both FBI, possible knowledge of hearsay only per JA, integrity isn’t on trial

    CM complaining

    Judge wants to hear it now

    4:56:27 – Nickolas B. Savage, FBI Agent, was crimes against children coordinator
    duct tape on child’s face

    (this is all I have, didn’t see the rest of it)

    I hope someone else can please watch and take notes on Saturday because I won't be available

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    Friday, 24 June 2011, Day 27

    8:36 – Baez enters court

    8:53 – Casey enters, talks to CM

    8:59:50 – judge enters, JB says Cindy is next witness but he needs 3 more minutes to get evidence items ready

    HHJP said “that’s why you were told to get here at 8:30”
    JB answered “we were”

    9:02:10 – HHJP says return the jury

    9:03:20 – jury enters

    9:03:59 – Cindy Anthony, defense witness
    JB direct – Caylee’s shorts, she wore 3T
    (if the shorts were too small, it would have been difficult to put them on, if at all, or a smaller size but without diapers, possibly still fit, somebody please mention this!)

    9:06:07 – LDB objects, relevancy – SIDEBAR # 1

    9:12:23 – end sidebar
    JB showing video of Caylee and Casey on floor, April 2007
    Casey smiling at video, then trying to tear up, wiping her face
    Cindy tears up on stand
    showing CA Pic of pregnancy Casey & Cindy at Rick’s wedding
    LDB objects, relevancy

    9:18:37SIDEBAR # 2

    9:20:14 – LDB’s prior objection sustained
    JB shows pic of backyard swimming pool with ladder attached, Cindy tells how ladder disconnects
    Pics of where ladder was placed when removed from pool
    Pics of Caylee going up the ladder into pool with Cindy

    9:26:10 – LDB objects – SIDEBAR # 3

    9:39 – JB showing Cindy 2 pics of Caylee on ladder than one year prior to her death
    Caylee could climb the ladder by herself
    Pics of Caylee in pool
    Cindy claiming Caylee outgrew her 2007 life vest and had to buy another for 2008
    Cindy was 99 point sure (yes, that’s what she said!) Caylee wore shoes to go out, says Cindy put shoes on her, Caylee could open doors

    9:58 – on 16 June 2008, says ladder was off pool, claims she told people at work about it

    9:59:28SIDEBAR # 4

    10:05:05 – special RECESS until 10:25

    10:27 – Judge returns saying he read a certain case re: theory of defense re: KC’s behavior caused by sexual abuse by father & brother
    JB says “among other things”

    HHJP – what others things? This is all you mentioned in opening, What is your theory of defense, can use it to get everything else, he allowed photos of Caylee on ladder into pool

    10:31SIDEBAR # 5

    10:51 – end sidebar

    10:52:30 – jury enters

    10:53:25 – JB continues with Cindy re: 16 July 2008, she told Yuri Melich about the ladder being down that day, How many times did you try to tell them about the ladder and pool?
    LDB objects

    10:54:10SIDEBAR # 6
    objection sustained

    10:58:31 – LDB cross – evidence being marked, bringing evidence to Jose

    11:01:00 – LDB asks if Cindy maintained Caylee’s room, her clothing, presents for her 3rd birthday? Yes. By June 15th, 2008, was she potty trained? Pretty much, was wearing underwear most of the time. When do she go from diapers to pull-ups? Early 2008.
    In video, she’s wearing diaper or pull-ups in April 2007, in 2007 she was still in diapers.
    Circo is the Target brand, lots of clothing with that brand
    More pictures of tops, shorts, from Caylee’s room until seized by LE, sizes 2T also 3T

    Caylee was stocky when young and thinned out as she became more active, some clothing could last a year, when was last time she saw shorts in video? Were those shorts kept in your home? Some maybe in diaper bag or back pack as a change of clothing? Yes. It wasn’t one of Cindy’s favorite outfits, didn’t see the shorts much after 2007.
    Throughout this exchange, Cindy makes Linda repeat questions and tries to avoid answering.

    How heavy is pool ladder? Caylee couldn’t move it. Door was difficult to open, Caylee was obedient, taught not to go up the ladder alone.

    Can someone reach into the pool to retrieve something? Yes
    Caylee at back door pic taken in Spring 2008 (looks very tall)
    Caylee was never left home alone
    Caylee can’t open yard gate
    Ladder incident before gas can incident
    Ladder 16th or 17th, called GA’s cellphone or maybe his work phone
    Mentioning the errors Cindy made with dates of June 2008 in her statements
    Cindy says she told her co-workers about ladder & gas can incidents, timecard shows you were at work June 16th 2008, June 17th, all week at work through June 24th (gas cans)
    Timecard accurately reflects her schedule? Yes

    Did Casey tell you there was an accident in the pool? No. Did she continue to tell you Caylee was kidnapped by the babysitter? Yes.

    11:25:44 – JB re: showing same pics to CA, he looks mad, pics of Caylee’s clothing tags, material, cotton, knit

    11:32 – LDB asks 2 questions in re-cross

    11:33 – Lee Anthony, witness on stand
    JB direct – When did you own the Starfire? 2000 – 2005
    JB shows pics of car
    Some stains in trunk – 3 outside of spare tire
    Did you stain the trunk? LA doesn’t recall

    11:38:51SIDEBAR # 7

    first time noticed/suspected Casey was pregnant? Early 2005, saw her midsection when she was leaving bathroom
    says he mentioned this to Cindy

    11:44:13SIDEBAR # 8

    other times she was showing? Was it discussed with Cindy? No
    Casey picked him up for airport and was obviously pregnant? Yes.

    (Lots of objecting going on)

    acknowledged pregnancy a few days before Caylee was born
    Lee didn’t visit Casey in the hospital when baby was born because he was hurt & didn’t want to be there

    11:51:50SIDEBAR # 9

    11:54 – why LA was angry and with whom? LA crying on stand, Angry with his mom and sister, they wouldn’t include him, they denied the pregnancy
    (Lee seems to have been a non-entity in that family.)
    Casey supposedly crying, too
    JB ends

    11:56:36 – lunch RECESS 1:30
    Judge asked Jose to check his schedule and let him know when they’ll be wrapping
    JB patting LA on the back as he leaves the stand
    LA not looking at Casey
    LA talking in back of courtroom with GA & CA, but not looking receptive

    1:31 – judge returns to court, calls attorneys to bench

    1:47:12 – Lee back on the stand

    1:47:12 – JA cross - asks LA about stink in car
    LA refused to meet with prosecutors, last week he requested to meet with Baez.
    Asking if he spoke to KC re: her pregnancy in 2005
    Re: July 2009 deposition with FG, JB present, p. 31 line 6 – 15, asked if he called her out on her pregnancy, LA stated, “It wasn’t my place”
    See p. 30
    JB objects, JA says impeachment
    JB objecting all over the place, Judge says “you can ask on re-direct”
    Parents were “over-the-top” before the birth of Caylee? LA was told to “let it go” by Cindy
    p. 35 of depo before Caylee was born, “my role was to be in the background because my parents were over-the-top”, they decorated a room for the baby, made purchases for her, party – shower, LA not included in pre-birth activities, claims to know any details about party/shower
    re: depo – asking what was different in today’s emotional testimony earlier (with JB), and answering the same question two years ago
    LA says she’s dead now, didn’t know that before!
    JA reminding him he spoke at a memorial service for Caylee BEFORE he did the depo in July 2009
    JA ends

    2:07:00 – JB re-direct - asks about stain in trunk of car, hard to see in pic, but stains are there, describes stain, Jb asking if LA met with prosecution before testifying
    p. 31 of depo, lines 12 – 14

    (Yikes, everyone is stressed and on edge, lots of snapping at each other going on today, Judge, JB, JA, all attorneys short-tempered)

    p. 31, lines 12 – 14, did you say parents over-the-top in depo? Did you give your impression that they were? Didn’t cry giving depo? – LA says didn’t want to be here, stressed
    JA asks at memorial didn’t want to believe Caylee was dead? Don’t know, last year was hard for him, didn’t want to believe, now I do

    2:19:45 – JA re-cross
    reminding LA how often he had to be shown his depo when FG and JA asked him questions, but were fine when JB asked him earlier today
    p. 31, line 15 in depo, he said he probably spoke to his mother re: Casey’s pregnancy
    p.33, baby shower in months preceding Caylee’s birth
    JA ends
    JB has no questions
    witness off the stand

    2:24:41 – JB says his next witness is in the restroom

    HHJP calls 15 minutes break, Judge asked jury if the dessert lady showed up today?

    2:46 – judge returns

    2:47:50 – jury returns

    2:48:38 – Cindy Anthony, defense witness
    baby shower was held on August 27th after Caylee was born, it was originally planned for August 13th, but Caylee was born on August 9th, stating baby was expected in September, but she came a month before schedule, had to call everyone to delay the baby shower
    JB wants to show picture
    LDB objects to photograph, relevance

    2:57:41SIDEBAR # 10

    objection sustained re: above photograph
    JB showing pic of preg. KC and Cindy at brother Rick’s wedding, June 2005
    Who attended baby shower? Casey’s grandmothers, aunts, Cindy’s friends, Jesse’s mother, neighbors, etc.
    Was Lee present? No, none of the guys were present.
    JB ends

    3:01:08 – Deputy Ryan Eberlan (sp), defense witness, OCSO (in uniform)
    CM direct – You called to the residence on Hopespring Drive? Yes. Saw the Sunfire? Yes. Did you smell an odor? No. Did you handcuff Casey? Yes. Instructed by Sgt. Hosey to remove handcuffs? Yes.

    3:03:08 – LDB cross
    He was a junior officer on the scene? Yes. Cuffed KC for about 2 minutes? Yes. Why did he cuff her? Because Cindy said Casey stole…..

    CM objects

    3:04:20SIDEBAR # 11

    3:12 – end of sidebar. Judge saying brief/legal matters to take care of, sending jury out

    PROFFER begins
    LDB – asks Deputy to tell court why he puts cuffs on KC, because Cindy wanted KC arrested because KC stole credit cards, etc. Hosey told him to worry about the missing child first.

    3:15:55 – LDB says CM asked about cuffs in direct, it opens the door to find out why
    Judge says he’ll give instructions to jury

    3:27:30jury returns, Judge reads stipulation to jury re: handcuffing

    LDB says after being handcuffed KC signed her statement regarding the missing child
    CA said she wanted KC arrested for credit card theft/fraud, she was uncuffed and she went back into her house
    Later Detective Yuri Melich arrived, deputy was no longer involved with investigation

    3:31 – deputy excused from witness stand

    Corporal Eric Edwards, OCSO, witness
    In 2008 homicide corporal
    CM direct - Knows Linda Tinelli? Yes

    3:33:30SIDEBAR # 12

    CM – direct continues - Lori Cree of TES knows Linda Tinelli. Tinelli was volunteer at Kidfinders tent
    Duct tape? Yes
    Linda told Lori George A. brought duct tape to the tent – showed her posters with duct tape, strong tape
    Sgt. visited Tinelli March 2009, asking her to record conversations with GA & CA – she was reluctant to get her husband’s permission to do so
    Another time spoke to Linda about wiring her, didn’t do it though – did retrieve phone message from Linda’s message machine of message left by Cindy Anthony

    Judge asking CM why this is relevant & any material fact?
    CM says relevancy to theory of defense, what happened after accidental drowning, officers tried to get incriminating statements, not able to get evidence

    LDB – no evidence obtained, motivations not relevant for jury to consider

    CM says state is using same premise saying duct tape is murder weapon

    Judge says admission of all evidence is relevant by proffer, evidence does go to proven fact, defense says drowning & bizarre behavior, defense not relevant, not theory of defense per proffer

    (I must have missed something here. This appears to have been another proffer without jury? Not sure.)

    3:58:00 – witness excused
    court reporter getting information, sitting next to Jeff Ashton
    court reporter goes back to her desk

    4:02:45 – LDB saying witness can’t claim what brand of duct tape, saying duct tape at volunteer tent is okay, admissible

    4:06:34 – jury enters

    4:07:22 – Linda Tinelli, witness
    CM direct – she met GA & CA when she volunteered to work at their tent, late July 2008 – Dec. 8th, 2008. Yes, there was duct tape at the tent on tablecloths to hold them down because of wind, & to hold up posters

    4:10:10 - CM ends
    LDB no questions
    Witness excused

    4:11:35 – Yuri Melich, witness
    JB (I think) direct - he had a supervisor who also had a supervisor in July 2008
    16 July 2008, early morning, odor mentioned by GA
    car brought to OCSO central operations center later on 16th July
    that morning he spent 1 hour at Anthony house, went cruising with Casey, then dropped her off at her home, GA wanted to speak to him privately, it’s noted in his report what GA said
    later Det. Went on Universal tour with Casey, Sgt Hosey and other LE there (missed the name), car was confiscated after Casey was arrested – made arrangements with GA to get the car
    Casey fulfilled elements of crimes to be arrested
    They focused on finding the missing child, it was a kidnapping by a known person, originally date of kidnapping was stated to be June 9th

    4:26 – mention of Roy Kronk
    4:28 SIDEBAR # 13

    4:30 – end of sidebar
    Collected cellphone records of Roy Kronk for June – Dec 2008
    Duct tape at Suburban Drive, saw it on posters in video of GA, brand name Henkel on duct tape at home on gas cans, report of gas cans stolen, being shown gas can in evidence, YM says same can but there’s no duct tape, was it removed?
    July 30, 2008 interviewed GA
    Collected gas cans when? August 1st
    Kronk’s cellphone records? Yes
    Kronk’s computer? No – asking wouldn’t a wealth of info come from a person’s computer? (YM doesn’t mention if RK owned a computer)
    Took statements from Kronk and coworkers

    4:36:20 – LDB cross –
    asking about Det/Dep Gerald White re: tips of Suburban Drive at dead end near school?
    Remains were closer to Hopespring than the dead end

    4:48:22 – LDB ends, JB has no more questions, witness excused, subject to recall

    SIDEBAR # 14

    4:49:43 – RECESS until 9AM Saturday, jury excused

    – JB says Defense will rest on Wednesday or Thursday

    State rebuttal should take 1 or 2 days

    Closing arguments 1 or 2 days

    JB saying Defense opposes state splitting closing arguments between attorneys, claiming they would have four closing arguments
    I think one of the prosecutors said they wouldn’t split rebuttal argument.

    Judge asks how to you figure? JB says if each attorney gets a say, that’s four
    Judge says no. He says splitting closing between attorneys is okay but not rebuttal, only one gets to do rebuttal.

    Judge citing Judge Ferrer (sp) re: closing argument parameters, can email it to attorneys, it’s very long, will tale about it Monday

    JB crying about phone records of Kronk & Athonys not received from prosecution, major violation,
    LDB says they gave defense all records.
    Judge tells JB the state didn’t use the records in trial, it’s too late to be going after red herrings.
    JA says Dr. Rodriquez will not be testifying, prohibited by Department of Defense, his job in jeopardy.
    What can we tell jury?

    CM saying we could have forced him to stay, hold him up in hotel, CM doesn’t want to say he “just withdrew” as a witness

    JB (politely, using different words) accuses JA of lying

    JA says his employers say Dr. Rodriguez on TV

    JB threatening to write a motion on this situation

    Judge says he wants Dr. Rodriguez’s captain to testify, not in person, defense said they didn’t want his job in jeopardy & someone could testify

    Judge asking state to decide if any additional lesser charges against Casey for jury to consider when they are finally given the case to decide? Let him know so it can be written in his directions to the jury.

    5:19:56 – RECESS until 9 AM Saturday, any issues be in court at 8:30 AM

    Judge says there will be only one hour lunch on Saturday

    (Please ignore my usual typos)

    (Fifth, IF you can move this post and put it in it's proper Friday place to avoid confusion, please do so. Thanks.)

    Note: I didn’t watch and take notes on Saturday, the 25th. Thank you, Fifth, for your notes of Saturday. Wow! Short day! Legal issue, uh-oh!
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    SAT. - 6/25/11 Day 28

    Saturday 6/25/11 Day 28

    JURY WAS not PRESENT for anything that occurred this morning.


    Ashton says new evidence was handed to him at 8:40am by Defense.
    He objects.
    Contentious debate ensues between both sides.

    Defense trying to add evidence/powerpoint listing each item in the trunk including their chloroform content percentages of each which defense wants to allow their expert, Dr. Furton(sp) to include in his testimony.
    State objects & says they need a Richardson(sp) hearing.
    Judge wants the original Report from Dr. Furton prepared prior to trial clarifying what he originally said he’d testify to, his depo and the ‘new’ evidence. Judge will make a decision after a review of all.

    8:59 Mason says another subject entirely different needs to be addressed. Team leaves courtroom w/ KC headed for Judge’s chambers. KC came out by herself visibly upset and tearing up. Then she is called back in and released again. Prosec did not go in at first but later did. Then both teams came out and Judge returned.

    9:40 Judge at bench
    'both sides concure a legal issue has arisen, not related to the issues this morning' regarding Dr. Furton, that necessitates a recess.
    Therefore we will RECESS for the day and return at 8:30am Monday.'

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    Post I hope this is okay - no discussion, please

    NO FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE - reference post only

    Please REFER to my post in Caylee's Thread, have posted a chart;
    [ame="https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6765533&postcount=440"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Forensic Astrology - CAYLEE ANTHONY Reported missing 7/15/2008 #16[/ame]

    Upon listening to Kathi B. and Bill S. discuss what happened on Saturday, they said JB accused the judge of siding with the state! I don't know...JB saying if JA says something often enough it must come to fruition in his world, but JB doesn't believe them to be true. The arguments of JA and JB are at the very beginning of Satruday's session. Also listen toward the end what KB says about the jury on Friday! There could have been a surprise waiting for them that KB wasn't privy to, maybe.

    Our Media Time-Stamped Thread has all videos and the review of the courtroom action by Kathi Belich & Bill Sheaffer.
    [ame="https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6761629&postcount=556"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Astrology-CASEY and CAYLEE TimeStamped Media,Doc Links*NO DISCUSSIONS*#3[/ame]

    In the end of today's session, not mentioned in Fifth's excellent recap, I saw on the video (WFTV), after court was recessed, everyone was kicked out of the courtroom, while the attorneys and Casey stayed behind. Interesting. Not even media was privy to the rest of what went on today. FYI only.

    If this isn't appropriate for this thread, please remove.
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    Hope this is of some value, very well time documented events of Sat's courtroom proceedings:


    MikeDeForest6 Mike DeForest
    Check out this minute-by-minute breakdown of what happened just before the #CaseyAnthony trial abruptly ended Saturday


    ETA: related to posts 144 & 145 above.

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    Missing this thread... Much better than sifting through 100 pages of OT comments mixed with a smidge of info in the main forums. Just sayin'
    You guys are really the best!

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    7/3/11 Closing Statements

    8:30 both sides in discussing the CHARGES and suggestions as to instructions to jury ( never finished-will take care of later today)

    9:05 RECESS for 5 minutes

    9:15 Jury walks in
    9:16 State recognize the presence of jury –YES

    9:17 State may proceed stmt and give a rebuttal stmt after defense

    Ashton: "good morning"
    10:07 Defense objects/overruled- Ashton had said, they did not prove the suggestion Geo had abused her. A‘trip down the rabbit hole. This is world the defense invites you to occupy.

    10:15 KC shaking head ‘no’ (think silent film actress)

    10:29 choose to sacrifice child to live the life she wanted.
    10:34 premeditated and defendant is guilty. Ashton done.
    10:34/35- 15 min RECESS
    10:56[/B] Judge in- Ashton objects to a picture on poster and not in evidence
    10:59 Linda D B- objects again to a poster compilation. Center picture on poster is photo when she was younger portraying ‘young girl’ vs a 22 yr old.
    10:59 Judge ‘ Mr Ashton is exactly right,’
    11:01 Judge asks Baez to find out date of picture they tried to use, the A’s identify as 2001
    Judge: I don’t care about imaginary friends and what troubles me is you have photo from 2001 as opposed to something at age 21/22.
    11:04 Judge:'THAT picture distorts reality- Baez asks to replace with another pic.
    11:05 Judge says State used 77 min and 8 sec. out of the 4 hrs that was given.
    11:08 Judge: Just a reminder, once we begin giving final instruction, no one will be allowed to enter or leave.
    11:15 JURY returns

    11:16 BAEZ 1st breath
    KC crying for herself
    As BAEZ says, the Prosec gave you a closing ‘appealing to your emotions’

    12:01 BAEZ asks for the lunch break although not done with his closing.
    Judge grants Jury RECESS for lunch

    12:02 Judge tells everyone to be seated
    We have to complete the CHARGE conference. We can do it here or bring a sandwich to my conference room. OK, see ya in my conference room

    2:07 Baez asks Judge to stop Ashton from facial expressions before he continues.
    2:08 KC walks in
    2:09 let’s return the jury
    2:10 Baez resumes

    3:30 KC fake crying

    3:42 Baez calling Geo a liar, raising voice and finishes stmt w/or whether it’s this laughing guy over here’
    Judge upset!: APPROACH BENCH

    KC turns off the tears and stops wiping immediately to watch sidebar.
    Judge dismisses jury.

    Judge must have called RECESS since everyone in gallery is leaving courtroom
    4:02 Judge left courtroom without his robe on (turns out he went somewhere to review the video to confirm what happen in the courtroom)
    4:12 Judge angry at BOTH attnys. Now if both sides would like to take the time to go look at it, I will ask them to pull it up and then I will proceed to do what I am going to do.’
    4:14 Judge ‘the court will be at ease until the parties get a chance to look at it’
    4:15 Judge tells them to say whatever they want/need to say in open court.
    4:17 Judge there have been accusation throughout going on throughout the hearing. I am going to do what I am going to do
    4:24 attnys back in courtroom after looking at video
    4:25 Ashton, ‘I appear to be smiling behind my hand. ‘
    Baez: and would ask that Mr. Ashton not be held in contempt. I apologize for getting caught up in the moment.
    4:27 Judge: I accept that for now but as I told both sides, if it happens again, the remedy will be the exclusion of that attny from participation from the rest of this trial
    Because of this delay, we still have these final charges to go over and complete. I will give instructions tomorrow to the jury.
    4:29 jury returns
    4:30 Baez continues
    5:13 Baez done and announces Mason will be up
    5:14 Judge- 10 minute stretch break before Mason starts
    5:14 RECESS

    5:27 Mason up
    Constitutional rights and freedoms afforded each each one of us

    6:14 Mason ends w/ ‘ ask yourself, what would Mr. Mason say or how would he respond to that.’
    6:14 RECESS for 5 min before rebuttal from STATE

    6:35 returns the jury
    6:36 Judge has decided to RECESS for the evening.

    Start at 8:30 tomorrow morning, jury you are excused

    6:37 you may be seated, we need to complete the charge conference. State of FL, he does not want to guess at the answer to Linda DB question(not sure what question was) Wants them to email him with their requests by 9:30 tonight.
    6:3] court at ease.
    Session continues with attnys discussing the charges etc and Jury instructions
    7:54 Judge will make small corrections and give to them tomorrow.
    Says: ‘While the jury is out in deliberation, 2 cases to read: Ballard vs State (duct tape case) – Scott vs State, you may find them interesting reading and will be published 11AM Thursday morning.

    Court in RECESS until 9AM…..note: he had said 8:30AM to the Jury

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    7/4/11 - Closing Rebuttal into End of Trial


    8:30 Judge in- asks if either side has anything to say, Baez objects to allowing Prosec a rebuttal- Judge ignores and calls for the jury.

    8:32 Jury In

    8:33 Ashton says both he and Linda DB will be talking to you.

    9:40 sitting down now and announces Linda DB will come up here.
    9:40 RECESS-20 minutes until 10AM
    9:41 jury leaves

    10:01 Judge Perry back at bench

    10:02 Baez- computer searches evidence problems-issues about# of times chloroform was visited 84 times in the 2nd forensic finding because MySpace wasn't in listing. They believe FALSE testimony and want Prosec to advise the jury as to falsity-
    Judge: 'if there is False info, you need to file a Motion-at this stage I can’t chase after arguments.
    File appropriate Motions and we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it.'

    10:05 Jury returns
    10:06 LINDA DB begins

    10:39 Baez asks to approach- judge refuses.

    11:01 "At the end of this case, all you have to ask yourself is whose life was better without Caylee?"
    ( camera left on Tattoo)
    Shows tattoo- Bella Vita’… 'THIS is your answer.'
    11:02 over

    11:02 Judge brief recess, when we return you’ll hear instructions.

    11:03 jury has already left. Baez says they are putting forth MOTION for Mistrial.
    says comments by Ashton where he stated no evidence of where it came from creating a burden on Defense about chloroform came from2. Mr DB, where she stated defendant changed her story when the remains were found….referring to State as giving false info.
    MOTION denied

    Judge tells Mason to please inspect the orders he provided. While you’re reviewing those, I need to give instructions.

    11:09 Judge, when I return in 10 minutes, I will give final instruction, no one will be permitted to leave.
    11:09 RECESS for 10 minutes

    11:25 Let’s return the jury
    Judge says he will give instructions and also copies of these instructions

    1. Instructions ended @ 12:08 EDT.

    2. Jurors excused @ 12:09 EDT to begin deliberations.

    3. Judge leaves with JB & LDB @ 12:12 EDT to give additional instructions to the 5 alternate jurors.

    4. GA & CA exit courtroom after close of Instructions @ 12:16 EDT

    GA CA leave court.PNG

    (the time difference between my time post and that on the picture itself is when I saved it to the file on my computer to be retrieved for posting).
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 07-04-2011 at 04:45 PM. Reason: added morning times

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    Many thanks to our friends who took on the task
    of documenting the 'times' during this long trial.

    EXTRA special thanxx to Zoe Bogart and WatchinginKy
    whom I hope treated their eyes to some well deserved TLC, after this feat.

    (((Group Huggg)))

    Thank YOU,

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