Blog Question from WFTV

This was on the WFTV Blog:

You can't ignore the fact that throughout June all the witnesses say there was no smell to the car, Tony L said June 23, she opened the car trunk with me standing there and there was no smell, George A said June 24, she opened the trunk to give me the cans and there was no smell, another friend from the Sutton Place apartment said there was no smell in the car when she was in the car, even the tow truck driver said there was no smell at the time the car was towed. It was a few days after sitting at the tow yard that a slight smell is noticed, then strong smell 2 weeks later. They open the trunk, it's discovered that there was a bag of household garbage in the trunk, that Casey had forgotten to throw in the dumpster on her way out of Sutton Place apartments on June 27.....the prosecution's whole theory was that decomp started in the trunk on June 16

How do you all explain this?

http://my.wftv.com/_CAYLEE/blog/88992/6696.html

The issue is the scientific measurement of decomposition in the trunk. If it wasn't Caylee, then who was it? The shape of the stain is the next issue. The third issue is Casey avoiding transport in the Sunfire after a certain date and mooching vehicles from others. Why?

The bag of trash found in Casey Anthony's trunk contained paper towels with decomp on them, as well as maggots.



What were those maggots feasting on? :waitasec:

shezcrafti said:

The bag of trash found in Casey Anthony's trunk contained paper towels with decomp on them, as well as maggots.

What were those maggots feasting on? :waitasec:

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IMO, the decomp cells of the grave wax.............

I don't see this as a problem. The smell was not from the dead body - which I think Casey disposed of before the smell got bad - the smell was from the remaining fluids and adocipere (not sure if I spelled that correctly) left in the trunk and on the paper towels Casey used to clean up. These were relatively small amounts. I think it just took time for those fluids/tissues to decompose enough to begin to smell badly.

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A normal person who leaves leftovers, a bag of trash on its way to the dumpster, wet towels, a gym bag would or any other fowl smelling thing in the car would investigate t he smell and get it out of the car. If this bag of trash was really the culprit of the all this smell wouldn't you get the bag out of there quickly? Clean it up yourself. How many people have spare cars or access to other cars that you just leave the garbage in the trunk to rot? For goodness sake she parked the car next to a dumpster when she left it at Amscot. If the car was just out of gas or broke down in some way she was as close to a dumpster as one can get.

The trash was clearly a coverup for the decomp smell.

I have no idea why those people who were in or close to the car didn't smell anything. There was a dead body in the trunk at some point and I am sure it will be proven that there was.

I attribute the lessened smell near the car in the first week to the stages of decomposition. The first stage, the "fresh" stage, doesn't produce the same strong odor as that of the second and third "bloat" and "active decay" stages, respectively. The "bloat" stage is said to begin sometime around the second week of decomposition; if she was killed on the 16th, as the state claims, then the second week of decomposition would start on June 24 - creating a smell that would get rapidly and progressively worse, necessitating the dumping/desisting use of the vehicle.

Both AL and GA were close to the car in only the extreme end of the first week/beginning of that second week, so it makes sense that they would not have an opportunity to smell the more advanced (and stronger) stages of decomposition. Of course, I'm not an expert in any of this, so I could be way off base, but it seems like a possible answer to the question in my mind.

ETA: I don't know why it put the preview pics in, that was not my intention, I was just sourcing the information; additionally, the stages I described happened to the remainder of the body that was still in the trunk, that is, adipose tissue, fluids, etc., not an actual whole cadaver, which might further explain the delay as the advanced smell originates from a much smaller source material.

Here are some links that explain the stages in further detail (warning: kind of disgusting):
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Interesting question. I guess we would need to know more about the circumstances of when the witnesses were around the car.

Were they standing upwind or downwind from the car? What time of day was it and/or what was the temp? How close to the car were they? How good was their sniffer (nose)?

Another point would be the way Caylee was wrapped in the plastic. Initally the bags would have contained the fluids and most of the odor. As the bags got wetter (more fluid leakage/decomp) and slid around with driving, they would have leaked more fluids and odor. The more that actually leaked out of the bag, the more odor there would have been.

Wasnt the friend from sutton place in her car before the events of june 16th I think thats what the dt want people to think it was after I may be wrong though x a

Am I to visualize someone using paper towels to clean up decomposing flesh? With the implication that due to the sun heat in the car, the material and the towels were there before and during the car sitting at the impound lot and the towels not there after sitting in the Anthony residence? Do flies like human fat tissue?

I would also wonder about George and Tony at those moments, respectfully speaking. For example, George expected to find the body of Casey and or Caylee in the trunk of the abandoned car at Amscot...isnt that what he said? Then he opens the trunk and the smell is horrific. When she tossed him the gas cans, he had no expectation of anything because she was standing in front of him.

As for Tony, Casey had not prepped him with the dead squirrel smell statement the way she had her friends, presumably. So if he stood up on the trunk, saw a garbage bag, I doubt the smell would register as anything else, if even that. I mean, not to stereotype but he lived with a lot of people in a somewhat confined space. I am sure there were all kinds of smells in his apartment. JMO.

"Grave wax" as others named it-well my understanding is that a very small amount of it can adhere very strongly to things around it-trunk, hair, clothing, air...

During the early stages of the car's smell, KC was probably trying to do everything she could on a daily basis to lessen the odor with febreez, dryer sheets, etc. which may also explain why the odor wasn't particularly noticeable to any friends. When this wasn't too successful any more, she carefully laid out and documented the squirrel excuse (blaming GA for running over something). After the car was towed it sat for two weeks in a hot car lot and was never ventilated which allowed the smell to really concentrate.

I remember my daughter left a gallon of milk in the trunk overnight when we lived in FL. It was godawful the next day. Steam cleaning the trunk, spraying stuff, you name it - it never really went away fully. After a while, you couldn't smell it when you first got in the car, but if the trunk was opened, it would permeate back in. If it was sitting parked in the sun for a few hours it would suddenly smell stronger all throughout the car. I had to go back all the time and re-treat the carpet in the trunk with fabric deodorizer. This is months later. Initially, whenever I had to park the car for a while, I'd open the doors up to let it ventilate enough to make the smell die down to make driving possible or pleasant. After a while, I had to do it less and less, and generally only when the car was left in the sun to heat.

What people may not be considering is that prior to June 27 KC was taking measures to reduce the smell; after that it was completely undisturbed and in the hot sun for weeks. Also, the fact that CA had just sprayed a whole can of Febreez on the car may have reduced it enough so that the first responding officer didn't notice it right away on July 16, although I'm sure that effort wore off in the subsequent hours.

even the tow truck driver said there was no smell at the time the car was towed.

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Why are they stating this? He did detect a smell, he just didn't respond to it. It makes the entire question dismissive in my opinion.

Wagara said:

Why are they stating this? He did detect a smell, he just didn't respond to it. It makes the entire question dismissive in my opinion.

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The tow truck driver and the tow yard manager are two different people. The driver didn't smell anything, but he also said he had a pretty bad cold, if I recall. SB, the tow yard manager, did smell the decomp and has testified to that.

Going off the top of my head here but wasn't it about June 27th that she sent the text to Amy about something dead plastered to the frame of her car? And didn't Amy say yesterday that she had been talking about her car smelling bad for about a week? That puts it at June 20th. I have no problem with this timeline. By June 20th Caylee had been dead for 4 days, maybe in the car for less then 3 days. I can imagine it would take that long for the byproducts of the decomposition to start to smell.

brilliant observation. the SA needs to bring this up at some pt.

good job

cecybeans said:

During the early stages of the car's smell, KC was probably trying to do everything she could on a daily basis to lessen the odor with febreez, dryer sheets, etc. which may also explain why the odor wasn't particularly noticeable to any friends. When this wasn't too successful any more, she carefully laid out and documented the squirrel excuse (blaming GA for running over something). After the car was towed it sat for two weeks in a hot car lot and was never ventilated which allowed the smell to really concentrate.

I remember my daughter left a gallon of milk in the trunk overnight when we lived in FL. It was godawful the next day. Steam cleaning the trunk, spraying stuff, you name it - it never really went away fully. After a while, you couldn't smell it when you first got in the car, but if the trunk was opened, it would permeate back in. If it was sitting parked in the sun for a few hours it would suddenly smell stronger all throughout the car. I had to go back all the time and re-treat the carpet in the trunk with fabric deodorizer. This is months later. Initially, whenever I had to park the car for a while, I'd open the doors up to let it ventilate enough to make the smell die down to make driving possible or pleasant. After a while, I had to do it less and less, and generally only when the car was left in the sun to heat.

What people may not be considering is that prior to June 27 KC was taking measures to reduce the smell; after that it was completely undisturbed and in the hot sun for weeks. Also, the fact that CA had just sprayed a whole can of Febreez on the car may have reduced it enough so that the first responding officer didn't notice it right away on July 16, although I'm sure that effort wore off in the subsequent hours.

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Both GA and the tow yard mgr said the car reeked on the day GA went to claim that car. Further, they said the smell was even stronger when the trunk was opened.

The scientists haven't testified yet, but they will, and they will identify the carpet as having evidence of decomposing tissue...stains, smell, air samples.

I can't imagine the state might ask the jurors to smell a sample of that. How horrible that would be. I've never smelled decomposition and I hope I never do. A dead skunk smell upon driving along a stretch of road is the only thing I've experienced in that realm, and that was plenty bad.

bookworm474 said:

Am I to visualize someone using paper towels to clean up decomposing flesh? With the implication that due to the sun heat in the car, the material and the towels were there before and during the car sitting at the impound lot and the towels not there after sitting in the Anthony residence? Do flies like human fat tissue?

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Yes to all of that unfortunately.

shezcrafti said:

The bag of trash found in Casey Anthony's trunk contained paper towels with decomp on them, as well as maggots.

What were those maggots feasting on? :waitasec:

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So there were traces of marijuana (THC and cannibinol) on the towels as well?

Poor Caylee, dang it! This is exactly why cultures adhere to burial rituals! :sick: