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    The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots

    This thread should concentrate on discussion of the GB4 and Shannan Gilbert and how the cases are intertwined and may relate to one another.

    GB4 -
    Maureen Brainard Barnes
    Megan Waterman
    Melissa Bartholemy
    Amber Lynn Costello


    Shannan Gilbert - Shannan's disappearance while running from a john's house in Oak Beach while on a distress call to 911 (May '10) subsequently led to the search (Dec '10) which discovered the remains of 4 women wrapped in burlap at Gilgo Beach.

    We can sleuth how the GB4 may be related to one another and how/if Shannan's disappearance could be connected.

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    I'm going to put together a brief overview of the GB4 and SG from msm sources. Will take me a bit, though.
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    Maureen Brainard Barnes

    Maureen Brainard-Barnes of 180 Prospect St. was 25 when she was reported missing to Norwich police on July 14, 2007. Police said the investigation at the time revealed Brainard-Barnes had gone to New York City on July 9, 2007, and was expected to return the next day. When she did not return and could not be reached on her cell phone, family members and friends contacted police in Norwich and New York City.

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/...r-2621735.html

    The 25-year-old brunette came into the city by train with two acquaintances, on the morning of July 9, 2007, to meet clients, a friend told reporters last week.

    Brainard-Barnes rang friends in distress that night from the Port Authority Bus Terminal in midtown Manhattan, saying she had been robbed of the money she earned that day.

    "She just wanted to come home," said the friend. "She said she was coming that night and would check in." She was never heard from again.


    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/...r-2621735.html

    (Not msm, I know...but info on Maureen is very scarce.)
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    Melissa Barthelemy

    Melissa Barthelemy was last seen on July 12, 2009, sitting on a curb outside the Bronx basement apartment she shared with her five cats. The 24-year-old Buffalo native had a "date" that night, but she wouldn't tell her on-again, off-again boyfriend with whom.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...cret-life.html

    The relative of a dead escort whose body was among the four discovered wrapped in burlap sacks on a remote Long Island beach received snide calls from a person using her missing sister's cell phone prior to her death, according to a published report.

    Police say most of the calls, which referred to 24-year-old Melissa Barthelemy from the Bronx as a "whore," came from the Midtown area, near Madison Square Garden and Times Square


    http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...114641574.html
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    Megan Waterman

    New York investigators say they've identified one of the four bodies dumped on a Long Island beach as Megan Waterman, a 22-year-old from Scarborough, Maine.


    She was last seen at a Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge, N.Y. on June 6 (2010). Her body was found Dec. 13 (2010).


    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...53-504083.html

    The laptop of an alleged New York pimp has been seized and searched in the Craigslist Long Island serial killer case.

    Akeem Cruz, who authorities have linked to slain woman Megan Waterman, is being examined by investigators in the hope it may lead them to the elusive serial killer. According to officials, Cruz is not a suspect in the case.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-504083_1...ord=akeem+cruz

    Note of interest: The last escort ad that WSer's traced to Megan was via a major escort service agency, listed under LI section). The ad was dated June 6, 2010 and listed the location as Suffolk.
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    First step: What do we have, that connects SG to the GB4?

    - same area

    - the GB4 were found, when the police was actually looking for SG, even that was rather described as exercise for the K9 based on the scenario of the disappearance of SG.

    - similarity of the victim type basically only because also SG was a Craigslist excort and had a history of drug abuse and not so lucky times.

    Anything, I forgot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    First step: What do we have, that connects SG to the GB4?

    - same area

    - the GB4 were found, when the police was actually looking for SG, even that was rather described as exercise for the K9 based on the scenario of the disappearance of SG.

    - similarity of the victim type basically only because also SG was a Craigslist excort and had a history of drug abuse and not so lucky times.

    Anything, I forgot?
    Anything you forgot? Um....no. LOL It aint funny but its funny.

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    Amber Lynn Costello

    Amber disappeared from her North Babylon home on Sept. 2, 2010.

    In Costello and Schaller's system, an "incall" was preferable to an "outcall," but after the stranger called several times that evening, Schaller tells Newsweek's Christine Pelisek, Amber "felt comfortable with him." So after the the final call at 10:30—and the settlement on the unusually high price of $1,500—Amber left the modest gray-shingled house she shared with Schaller in West Babylon, New York, wearing a pink hoodie and jeans.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...te-speaks.html
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    Common denominators with the GB4:

    1). All four victims advertized their services online.

    2). All four bodies were found on the same stretch of Gilgo Beach, each placed approximately 500 ft apart.

    3). All four victims died from strangulation/asphixiation (a ligature was found around the neck of one victim).

    4). All four victim's remains were wrapped in burlap.

    5). Both Amber Lynn Costello and Megan Waterman have been linked to the Holiday Inn Express in Hauppauge, NY. Megan was last observed walking away from the motel at 1:30 am the day she disappeared. According to Amber's roomate, the last client she had prior to her disappearance had also asked her to meet him at the same motel several weeks prior. Costello declined.

    6). Both Amber Lynn Costello and Melissa Barthelemy had been offered unusually large sums of money by the last client they saw before disappearing. Both Amber and Melissa were very secretive about this client, and both appear to have gotten into this client's vehicle.
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    Well, then in the core, we can agree, she would fit the victimology, but there is no hard evidence linking her or dismissing her from the LISK2 case?
    How about the details of the night? She was seen running around, obviously under the influence of something (and I'm not especially good with drugs, so maybe someone with more knowledge can help out). We have Brewer, we have the Pak guy and we have of course CPH, somehow involved in that night.
    How does that fit the other cases?

    Maureen Brainard-Barnes came in, obviously this time only for one night. Was that her usual mode of operation because somehow, I have still doubts. She had that day/night more than one client, but shall I assume, she had them nicely lined up with no break in between? Or was there a break and where would she go in such a break time? She called that night from the bus terminal, which is in NY. She was robbed, so she had no money to go out to LI on her own. That would indicate, she was abducted in NY, most likely Manhattan?

    Amber Lynn Costello left from West Babylon to meet with a client, but no article mentions, it was a client on LI in the first place. From West Babylon, she would have about an hour drive to Manhattan, but only maybe half an hour into the middle class neighborhoods of Hempstead and East Meadows. Question is, are those still middle class (my knowledge about that area is rather decades old)? I still consider West Babylon more autonome, not sucked up by greater NYC, is that correct?

    Megan Waterman was last seen in Hauppauge, on LI. She worked there obviously more the seasonal clients which made it necessary to work out of a hotel. By all means, prostitution is partly travel business, is it? That doesn't mean, that she worked in other times rather the NYC area, because out of the summer season, I can't imagine LI as the big market for that kind of service (end of the summer, the number of male residents plunges). And when it comes to Akeem Cruz, wasn't he in jail while some of the other murders occurred? The last ad mentions, she is in the Suffolk area, which, at the time the ad was made, was probably true, because she worked out of a hotel the seasonal guests. Does that automatically imply, it would have been her base of operation in December or January?

    Melissa Barthelmy was last seen in the Bronx. She is the last victim if I see that right and the only case in which the family was called. Which in itself indicates an escalation, either in the sadistic way, or if I'm right with my earlier profile, in a mix of sexual sadism and over-righteous justification, which is hard to say without seeing transcripts. But while there was only one call from LI, near the dump site and obviously, when her body was dumped, the other calls were all from NY.

    My problem is, that all puts the connections between the GB4 much more to NYC than to LI. While SG definitively disappeared on LI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Well, then in the core, we can agree, she would fit the victimology, but there is no hard evidence linking her or dismissing her from the LISK2 case?
    How about the details of the night? She was seen running around, obviously under the influence of something (and I'm not especially good with drugs, so maybe someone with more knowledge can help out). We have Brewer, we have the Pak guy and we have of course CPH, somehow involved in that night.
    How does that fit the other cases?

    Maureen Brainard-Barnes came in, obviously this time only for one night. Was that her usual mode of operation because somehow, I have still doubts. She had that day/night more than one client, but shall I assume, she had them nicely lined up with no break in between? Or was there a break and where would she go in such a break time? She called that night from the bus terminal, which is in NY. She was robbed, so she had no money to go out to LI on her own. That would indicate, she was abducted in NY, most likely Manhattan?

    Amber Lynn Costello left from West Babylon to meet with a client, but no article mentions, it was a client on LI in the first place. From West Babylon, she would have about an hour drive to Manhattan, but only maybe half an hour into the middle class neighborhoods of Hempstead and East Meadows. Question is, are those still middle class (my knowledge about that area is rather decades old)? I still consider West Babylon more autonome, not sucked up by greater NYC, is that correct?

    Megan Waterman was last seen in Hauppauge, on LI. She worked there obviously more the seasonal clients which made it necessary to work out of a hotel. By all means, prostitution is partly travel business, is it? That doesn't mean, that she worked in other times rather the NYC area, because out of the summer season, I can't imagine LI as the big market for that kind of service (end of the summer, the number of male residents plunges). And when it comes to Akeem Cruz, wasn't he in jail while some of the other murders occurred? The last ad mentions, she is in the Suffolk area, which, at the time the ad was made, was probably true, because she worked out of a hotel the seasonal guests. Does that automatically imply, it would have been her base of operation in December or January?

    Melissa Barthelmy was last seen in the Bronx. She is the last victim if I see that right and the only case in which the family was called. Which in itself indicates an escalation, either in the sadistic way, or if I'm right with my earlier profile, in a mix of sexual sadism and over-righteous justification, which is hard to say without seeing transcripts. But while there was only one call from LI, near the dump site and obviously, when her body was dumped, the other calls were all from NY.

    My problem is, that all puts the connections between the GB4 much more to NYC than to LI. While SG definitively disappeared on LI.
    1).Maureen had been robbed, yes...but she had also deposited $900 in her account, so she had money.

    2). Amber lived in North Babylon.

    3). The first victim was Maureen Brainard Barnes (2007). The second was Melissa Barthelemy (2009). The 3rd was Megan Waterman ( June, 2010). The last victim was Amber Lynn Costello ( Sept., 2010). Assuming, of course, that Shannan Gilbert isn't a victim of the same SK. If she is, then she would be the 3rd victim, Megan the 4th and Amber the 5th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    Well, then in the core, we can agree, she would fit the victimology, but there is no hard evidence linking her or dismissing her from the LISK2 case?
    How about the details of the night? She was seen running around, obviously under the influence of something (and I'm not especially good with drugs, so maybe someone with more knowledge can help out). We have Brewer, we have the Pak guy and we have of course CPH, somehow involved in that night.
    How does that fit the other cases?

    Maureen Brainard-Barnes came in, obviously this time only for one night. Was that her usual mode of operation because somehow, I have still doubts. She had that day/night more than one client, but shall I assume, she had them nicely lined up with no break in between? Or was there a break and where would she go in such a break time? She called that night from the bus terminal, which is in NY. She was robbed, so she had no money to go out to LI on her own. That would indicate, she was abducted in NY, most likely Manhattan?

    Amber Lynn Costello left from West Babylon to meet with a client, but no article mentions, it was a client on LI in the first place. From West Babylon, she would have about an hour drive to Manhattan, but only maybe half an hour into the middle class neighborhoods of Hempstead and East Meadows. Question is, are those still middle class (my knowledge about that area is rather decades old)? I still consider West Babylon more autonome, not sucked up by greater NYC, is that correct?

    Megan Waterman was last seen in Hauppauge, on LI. She worked there obviously more the seasonal clients which made it necessary to work out of a hotel. By all means, prostitution is partly travel business, is it? That doesn't mean, that she worked in other times rather the NYC area, because out of the summer season, I can't imagine LI as the big market for that kind of service (end of the summer, the number of male residents plunges). And when it comes to Akeem Cruz, wasn't he in jail while some of the other murders occurred? The last ad mentions, she is in the Suffolk area, which, at the time the ad was made, was probably true, because she worked out of a hotel the seasonal guests. Does that automatically imply, it would have been her base of operation in December or January?

    Melissa Barthelmy was last seen in the Bronx. She is the last victim if I see that right and the only case in which the family was called. Which in itself indicates an escalation, either in the sadistic way, or if I'm right with my earlier profile, in a mix of sexual sadism and over-righteous justification, which is hard to say without seeing transcripts. But while there was only one call from LI, near the dump site and obviously, when her body was dumped, the other calls were all from NY.

    My problem is, that all puts the connections between the GB4 much more to NYC than to LI. While SG definitively disappeared on LI.
    Melissa wasn't the last victim of the GB4, she disappeared in 2009. Amber was the last to disappear in Sept 2010.

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    @Gothairjones: That article is about the other victims, not GB4

    @Mountain_Kat: Amber Lynn Costello left West Babylon that night at 10:30. I can't find the part, where her last client had asked her weeks ago to meet him in the same hotel (and if, what would be the meaning of this? Probably only, that he is married). How many hotels are there anyway which would look the other way with that business?
    I saw the part, where Costello was going for an unusual high honorary, but not the Barthelmy part. And if she was fetched by car, the driver would have to find that area in the Bronx first, right? West Babylon is a lot easier with navigation system, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Brendt View Post
    We cross post here?
    @Gothairjones: That article is about the other victims, not GB4

    @Mountain_Kat: Amber Lynn Costello left West Babylon that night at 10:30. I can't find the part, where her last client had asked her weeks ago to meet him in the same hotel (and if, what would be the meaning of this? Probably only, that he is married). How many hotels are there anyway which would look the other way with that business?
    I saw the part, where Costello was going for an unusual high honorary, but not the Barthelmy part. And if she was fetched by car, the driver would have to find that area in the Bronx first, right? West Babylon is a lot easier with navigation system, isn't it?
    Costello lived on America Avenue in North Babylon. Some papers have reported it as West Babylon, but that is incorrect.

    No tell motels are everywhere in LI. So much so, that hobbyists on Utopia Guide created a list for them.

    Regarding Melissa and the sum of money she was offered:

    Her mother had no idea Melissa was advertising on Craigslist, selling her body on the streets of New York City, and working, on occasion, for an escort agency called James Bond Entertainment under the pseudonym Chloe. She also didn't know that on the night her daughter disappeared, she had lined up a date to the tune of $1,000.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...cret-life.html

    The above article also mentions the Holiday Inn Express connection between Waterman and Costello.
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    @Mountain_Kat & svpernin: Thanks for clearing that up. I try to win my overview back after all that chaos with the other thread, and I promise to raise my coffee level to a point, I can reasonably puzzle things together again ...

    However, right now, I am even more confused about some little details:

    1.) Maureen called, she had no money because she was robbed. Friends described that as kind of a distress call and claim, all she wante to do at that time, was to go home (Norwich). But she had those $900, she had only to use a bank card (in case the money was already deposited) or just deposit less. So, there is a contradiction in these two stories. What is the timeline? When did she deposit the money and where (as in where was the machine)? Was the distress call later or earlier?

    2.) The phone calls were all made in the Barthelmy case, but Amber was the last victim. Now, the calls were an escalation and there is no reason for the unsub, to roll that back. So, why were there no calls in the Costello case? What do we know about Costello's cell phone and about her family? Because there are only two possible explanations: Costello had on her cell no stored phone numbers (or no cell with her at all, but how likely is that) or there was no target in Costello's family that would have fit his fantasy/needs for a phone call.
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