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    Carman Monaco, Jr.

    This thread is for discussing Carman Monaco, Jr. as a possible suspect in the Long Island serial murders.

    Please note that this thread is not meant to discuss Oak Beach residents or Shannan Gilbert. The assumption is that Shannan died of accidental causes and is unrelated to the serial murders.

    Carman Monaco, Jr. is the only suspect that I'm aware of that has ever been questioned (in 2005) by police in the Manorville murders, and now that police have linked the Manorville murders with the rest of the victims found on Ocean Parkway, it is necessary to ask whether or not Carman Monaco, Jr. is currently the target of an investigation or whether he has somehow been overlooked in the more recent investigation of the LI serial killer.

    I will begin posting the publicly available information that I'm aware of.

    The following 2005 news article cites police refusing to rule Carman Monaco Jr. out as a suspect in the Manorville murders:
    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2005...-lighting-jail

    The following 2011 news article cites police now linking Manorville with the rest of the victims found along Ocean Parkway:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...iller-new-york

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    E-mail to NY Daily News

    Below is my December 12th e-mail to Matt Lysiac and Rich Schapiro of the NY Daily News. They have reported recently on the LISK. I copied Rich Weir, but that bounced back. I'm not sure if these guys are investigative journalists or just writers that compile stories.
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    Matt, Rich,

    I submitted this as a tip to Suffolk County police last week but wanted to follow up with you given your recent reporting.

    I have copied Richard Weir of the NY Daily News on this e-mail.

    On Sunday, April 03, 2005, Richard wrote a story regarding Carman Monaco, Jr. In this story, he indicated that Carman:

    1) Identified himself using the alias "Sal from Manorville"
    2) Threatened to dismember his victims
    3) Threatened to dump his victims with the rest of the "sluts" from Manorville
    4) Was questioned by Suffolk County police in relation to the Manorville murders

    Here is a link to Rich Weir's story:
    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2005...-lighting-jail


    Based on my understanding of the Long Island Serial Killer, Carman Monaco Jr. is really good fit for the following reasons:

    1) Carman called his victims from payphones in the City whereas the serial killer called from throwaway phones in the city.
    2) The serial killer called Melissa Barthelemy's sister obsessively about 15-20 times over many months whereas Carman called his victims about 300 times over many years.
    3) The serial killer referred to Melissa as a "whore" whereas Carman referred to the "sluts" in Manorville.

    The M.O. is nearly identical.

    I found in court records that Carman Monaco Jr. works for a company called Hub Trucks. Hub Trucks has a Calverton location that is immediately adjacent to Neptune Horse and Saddlery. Neptune sells horse feed packaged in large burlap sacks.

    Questions for the NY Daily News:

    1) Richard Weir from the NY Daily News indicated in his article that police have not ruled out Carman Monaco Jr. as a suspect in the Manorville slayings. Now that the police believe that one serial killer is responsible for all 10 bodies, including the Manorville victims, is Caman Monaco Jr. a serial killer suspect?
    2) Have police re-interviewed Carman Monaco Jr. recently?
    3) Have police conducted a voice lineup of the recordings from Carman's investigation with Melissa Barthelemy's sister?
    4) Have police conducted a voice lineup of the recordings from the calls to Melissa's sister with Carman's original victims (Danielle Campbell from News 12 Long Island, etc.)

    Any response to this e-mail is appreciated.

    - Inspctrgadget
    Last edited by inspctrgadget; 12-14-2011 at 03:07 PM.

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    Public Records

    The Supreme Court case shows a 2009 foreclosure. I believe that this property is 14 Pine Gate Ave. in East Patchogue, NY, but I'm not positive.

    The Local case shows a case in the Bronx where Carman is listed as a co-defendant. I assume (possibly incorrectly) that Carman works for Hub Trucks since their lawyer represented him in this case. I assume that this was some type of traffic accident where Carman was the driver since that appears in other instances of Hub Trucks cases.

    WebCivil Supreme
    Go to: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASMain
    Search for (defendant) Carman Monaco Jr.

    WebCivil Local
    Go to: http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivilLocal/LCMain
    Search for (defendant) Carman Monaco Jr.

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    This is an intriguing theory inspectrgadget. Kudos for being proactive and sending in a tip. It is surely worth looking into, IMO.

    wm
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    Numbers,32:23

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    Burlap from Horse Feed Wholesaler

    Thanks to Seaslug44 for looking into Neptune Feed and Saddlery. Neptune shares a location with Hub Trucks in Calverton. Here's Seaslug's post from a prior thread:
    __________________________

    Okay here's the deal...

    They sell horse grain and grain for other animals in horse grain sacks (also known as "feed bags" or "feed sacks"). Some of the bags are paper (like the Purina Horse Chow) but some of them are indeed burlap. I just could not confirm whether it is actual burlap or if it is that new plastic burlap material that is on the market (then again, we don't have much info from the police about what kind of burlap was used to wrap the GB4). Also since that company has been around for decades, it is more than likely that they could be waist-deep in giant empty burlap bags like this one;

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    Additional info...

    This was posted in a previous thread. I'm moving it here for reference:

    Quote Originally Posted by Theforeigner View Post
    I have found Long island adresses on Carman Monaco Jr. in:

    EAST PATCHOGUE, NY
    MEDFORD, NY

    Carman Monaco Jr was born Jun 1957

    His mother, who died in June 2011, lived in West Islip.
    her address is ca 14 miles from Gilgo beach.
    And ca. 8 miles from Oak Beach.

    His father , who died in 1980, is burried at :
    Calverton National Cemetery
    Calverton
    Suffolk County, NY

    This is ca 4 miles from Manorville, NY

    I have found no relatives in the Oak/Gilgo Beach area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowraiths View Post
    They ID'd Jessica as working as a prostitute in February of 2004 ( link ).
    Thanks for finding this shadowraiths. It strikes me as odd that 10 months after Jessica Taylor was identified as a prostitute and Manorville was in the news, that Carman is still talking about "sluts" in Manorville:

    From the NY Daily News article:
    "On Dec. 4, 2004, he called Campbell, Hashagen and McDade to warn Campbell that if she went to the EAB ceremony, he would be there.

    "I will be in the crowd," he said. "I will dump her in Manorville with all the rest of the sluts."

    Does anyone know if Manorville a regular topic in the news between Feb and Dec 2004?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspctrgadget View Post
    Thanks for finding this shadowraiths. It strikes me as odd that 10 months after Jessica Taylor was identified as a prostitute and Manorville was in the news, that Carman is still talking about "sluts" in Manorville:

    From the NY Daily News article:
    "On Dec. 4, 2004, he called Campbell, Hashagen and McDade to warn Campbell that if she went to the EAB ceremony, he would be there.

    "I will be in the crowd," he said. "I will dump her in Manorville with all the rest of the sluts."

    Does anyone know if Manorville a regular topic in the news between Feb and Dec 2004?
    does Carman have a gf or wife by any chance?

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    Good stuff, Inspectr. Keep going!
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    Quote Originally Posted by inspctrgadget View Post
    This was posted in a previous thread. I'm moving it here for reference:
    His mother is buried at the same cemetary... http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1. Select Calverton National Cemetary, enter last name and click "Go"... Dad's #4, Mom's #6.


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    More people to participate in a voice lineup...

    Here's more people that could participate in the voice lineup of Carman's threatening calls to News 12 Long Island:

    1) Johnny Terry (Melissa Barthelemy's boyfriend)
    2) Megan Waterman's mother (received calls from someone pretending to be a police officer).

    Can anyone find the original MSM articles on these two reports?

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    Unusual?

    http://longislandserialkiller.com/20...serial-killer/
    “Contacting the victim’s families is unusual behavior,” said Mary Ellen O’Toole, a former agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation who pursued serial killers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inspctrgadget View Post
    Here's more people that could participate in the voice lineup of Carman's threatening calls to News 12 Long Island:

    1) Johnny Terry (Melissa Barthelemy's boyfriend)
    2) Megan Waterman's mother (received calls from someone pretending to be a police officer).

    Can anyone find the original MSM articles on these two reports?
    Johnny Terry info at link below....

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...cret-life.html

    wm
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    The only thing missing is that there is no proof that Carman killed anyone, ever.

    Huge missing link. IMO.
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    It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. ~Abraham Lincoln
    IMO, the minivan and the blanket are key to Haleigh Cummings' disappearance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltzingmatilda View Post
    Johnny Terry info at link below....

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...cret-life.html

    wm
    Thanks walzingmatilda. From the article:

    "Around the same time, Terry said he began to get his own taunting phone calls. His calls were from a "white guy," he said.

    "He was threatening me," recalled Terry. "He said, you like to do some crazy stuff with Melissa, I know where you be at. Most of the time he seemed to be drunk. He knew who I was. He knew I had tattoos on my back. Maybe he felt [Melissa] was doing something he didn't like."

    Terry said the anonymous caller called him more than 30 times over a period of eight months."

    For me, this seems to me to be the same exact pattern of obsessive, threatening phone calls.

    The serial killer also said he knew where Terry was. This is similar to Carman Monaco Jr.'s statements that he knew Danielle Campbell would be "at the EAB Christmas lighting ceremony" and at her charity "softball games".

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