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Please put your thoughts here about Lisa and the river. There has been too much off topic discussion about the river and no thread for it.
 
Little Zaylee Grace Fryar went into the Cumberland river here in Nashville with her mother and was never found. Her mother's body was found, an apparent suicide, but Zaylee never was. A baby is a pretty small body. When you compare 100+ pounds to a baby's weight, it's completely logical that this little body is just either caught somewhere underwater or that the elements just destroyed it. This is a horrible thought, but it happens.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14601433/e...r-missing-baby
 
Bringing my post over from the previous thread.

Natsound had called KCPD back in December and had questions specifically about the river. I had to dig up the post to find it but here it is:

I asked about searches of the river. I was told that the river runs very fast through that part of town, and if a tiny baby had been thrown in the river, chances are slim that it would surface. I was also told that on the first day (October 4th), the fire department had been doing some training in that part of the river, and there were people on foot along the banks, and nothing was spotted.
 
It's not known for sure that Zaylee went into the river with her mother. It's a good possibility, but no one knows for sure. We have a thread for Zaylee here on WS.
 
liltexans said:
It's not known for sure that Zaylee went into the river with her mother. It's a good possibility, but no one knows for sure. We have a thread for Zaylee here on WS.
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This thread is not about Zaylee, it is about Lisa and the possibility that she went into the river. I only mentioned her to suggest that a small body is not the same as a full grown person when in the water. I am one of many around here who believe that Zaylee went into the river with her mother. Again, I can't reveal why my thoughts run in this direction.
 
Yes, this is about Lisa, but your first post mentioning Zaylee didn't state that it was your opinion that Zaylee went into the river. It implied that it's a known fact that she did. It's very frustrating to navigate Lisa's forum when opinions are frequently presented as facts. It just adds to the overall misinformation in Lisa's case.
 
liltexans said:
Yes, this is about Lisa, but your first post mentioning Zaylee didn't state that it was your opinion that Zaylee went into the river. It implied that it's a known fact that she did. It's very frustrating to navigate Lisa's forum when opinions are frequently presented as facts. It just adds to the overall misinformation in Lisa's case.
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We were discussing on another thread about Lisa and the river. I just brought my post over. Sorry that it confused you as you weren't in on the original conversation.

Also, what I post here is always my opinion, and I assume that is the same for everyone, unless they are speaking from an expert witness standpoint. I do have the advantage of knowing certain things, but I try to keep those limited if I can.

And, as we are not supposed to be attacking a poster, that is all I will say about that.
 
Someone said on another thread (I think it was In Da Middle) that it would be difficult to get to the river from DB's house. Does anyone have any photos of the terrain going down to the river? Also, how far are the closest bridges to Lisa's house? TIA
 
During the Sandra Cantu case IIRC, I found a link (which I cannot find now)
that women usually dispose of children in containers in water......
back to the womb verses men who bury.
If the mother disposed of the baby I would think the river would be the way to go.
 
norest4thewicked said:
Little Zaylee Grace Fryar went into the Cumberland river here in Nashville with her mother and was never found. Her mother's body was found, an apparent suicide, but Zaylee never was. A baby is a pretty small body. When you compare 100+ pounds to a baby's weight, it's completely logical that this little body is just either caught somewhere underwater or that the elements just destroyed it. This is a horrible thought, but it happens.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14601433/e...r-missing-baby
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This link is broken.
 
passionflower said:
During the Sandra Cantu case IIRC, I found a link (which I cannot find now)
that women usually dispose of children in containers in water......
back to the womb verses men who bury.
If the mother disposed of the baby I would think the river would be the way to go.
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Yes, I've heard many times that women go to water, men go to land. That makes me shiver...:(
 
I think it's very possible that had Lisa been placed in the water her little body would never be found. In cityslick's post it says that the river runs very fast in that part of town, it would not take much for a baby that size to be quickly swept away. We're talking about a baby, not a grown adult whose body may have been easier to find.

JMHO
 
Are there any locks and dams on the Missouri River in the KC area or just downstream from the KC area? Sometimes bodies have been found in rivers when they got caught in a dam. Of course, with Lisa being so relatively small compared with an adult, I don't know if her little body would get caught as easily.
 
annalia said:
I think it's very possible that had Lisa been placed in the water her little body would never be found. In cityslick's post it says that the river runs very fast in that part of town, it would not take much for a baby that size to be quickly swept away. We're talking about a baby, not a grown adult whose body may have been easier to find.

JMHO
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I agree. And, I think that it's possible that she went into the river in a container, possibly weighted down. If that is the case, then there might be a better chance for her to be discovered, but not if it stays on the bottom. We do know that many bodies in containers do surface eventually, but a container to hold her little body might not have been that large and could possibly just go along the bottom until it finally stuck somewhere. Horrible thought...:(
 
liltexans said:
Are there any locks and dams on the Missouri River in the KC area or just downstream from the KC area? Sometimes bodies have been found in rivers when they got caught in a dam. Of course, with Lisa being so relatively small compared with an adult, I don't know if her little body would get caught as easily.
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I don't know the answer to that. Perhaps someone who is more familiar will come and tell us.
 
norest4thewicked said:
I agree. And, I think that it's possible that she went into the river in a container, possibly weighted down. If that is the case, then there might be a better chance for her to be discovered, but not if it stays on the bottom. We do know that many bodies in containers do surface eventually, but a container to hold her little body might not have been that large and could possibly just go along the bottom until it finally stuck somewhere. Horrible thought...:(
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I think the fact that the fire department was doing drills is relevant. I don't know how relevant, a lot of it I think would depend on when she actually was placed in the river, when they started doing drills and how far down the river they (the FD) were. When Nat had originally posted that response from KCPD, my first reaction (which of course may be wrong) was that KCPD was going off an assumption that it is somewhat possible that the FD would had saw something, even with the current the morning of the 4th if BL was placed in the river.
 
norest4thewicked said:
Someone said on another thread (I think it was In Da Middle) that it would be difficult to get to the river from DB's house. Does anyone have any photos of the terrain going down to the river? Also, how far are the closest bridges to Lisa's house? TIA
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InDaMiddle and I both said that; for me, the statement comes from knowing the area and I'm certain InDaMiddle would say the same.

Brighton Ave was my alternate commuter route when there was an accident or traffic build up on 435. There are also casinos; I always went to Harrah's NKC, [spent enough time there to be comped trips to other Harrah's casinos around the country] I know that area. Armour Rd./210 has traffic 24/7 from the casino, as well as truckers. The casino part is a large boat on the water because that is what city regulation requires. There are security cameras with a water view. The same goes for casinos on the other [east] side of 435, away from Brighton Ave and Lister.

Harrah's North Kansas City
1 Riverboat Drive
North Kansas City, MO 64116
Directions
From Interstate 35:
Take exit 6A, 210 East (Armour Road) approximately one mile to Chouteau Trafficway. Go right heading south on Chouteau one-half block. Harrah's entrance is on the right.
From Interstate 435:
Take exit 55A, 210 West (Armour Road) approximately two miles to Chouteau Trafficway. Go south one-quarter mile to the entrance.
 
cityslick said:
I think the fact that the fire department was doing drills is relevant. I don't know how relevant, a lot of it I think would depend on when she actually was placed in the river, when they started doing drills and how far down the river they (the FD) were. When Nat had originally posted that response from KCPD, my first reaction (which of course may be wrong) was that KCPD was going off an assumption that it is somewhat possible that the FD would had saw something, even with the current the morning of the 4th if BL was placed in the river.
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Yes, I agree, however, again, the river is so swift. Timing would have been important though, IF she went in the water upstream of there.
 
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