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  1. #616
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    Quote Originally Posted by JNH View Post
    Yes, exactly. However, aside from mission-oriented or psychotic motivations, there are instances of self-flagellatory impulse killing, during which the discrepancy between professed religious affiliation, complete with set of moral regulations, and sexual deviance and impulse creates lethal cognitive dissonance. These instances are less mission or vision-oriented, and more of an act of personal moral cleansing.

    I would be very surprised if law enforcement hadn't considered a missionary type profession as explanation for the transitory nature of this perp (if, that is, the GB4 can be assumed to be connected.) Are you aware of such a line of inquiry? Bible salesmen, door-to-door missionaries? People connected to a specific congregation aligned along the East Coast?

    The convenience of acquisition alone does not explain the consistency of the victim's profession.
    There is an excellent article title “Beyond the Boardwalk” that was published in 2007 that gives quite a few details concerning the initial investigation of this case. One of the moderators here started a thread with the link to the article and I thought, for convenience, I'd post the link as well.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/

    Towards the end of the article (page 5 or so) it lists details of the various POI's that were questioned in the initial stages of the investigation. One of the individuals mentioned would appear to fit the profile of a religious motive. So the answer to your question would appear to be that police did probe the missionary angle early on.

    With new information coming to light a decade later it may be possible to theorize a bit more about the profile of the killer. In an earlier post I mentioned that a reporter for NJ.com recently published information concerning the fact that Ms. Raffo, the last victim, had left a customer in a room at The Trump Taj Majal casino at 5:00 am in pursuit of drugs.

    The importance of this new revelation (at least to me) is the fact that Ms. Raffo was probably not plying her trade at this time and possibly accepted a ride from an individual who she knew well enough to be persuaded to get in a car with. Afterall, someone did transport her, or her body, to The Golden Key. Other than a taxi cab ride, I doubt that Ms. Raffo would get in a car with a stranger unless she viewed him as a potential paying customer. But indications are that she was not seeking a customer.

    Rather, she was seeking drugs. So I'm speculating that she accepted a ride from an individual who was a regular in the area and who related to Ms. Raffo ( and possibly a few of the other victims) as kindred spirits lost in the local drug scene. An individual who would not be out of place at Papa Joe's restaurant. Nor would they be out of place at The Atlantic City Rescue Mission.

    I find it interesting that the depot for The Ocean Rolling Chairs company is located right in the area at S. Carolina Ave. Lots of shady individuals work all hours of the day (and night) pushing those carts up and down the boardwalk.

    In a recent Websleuths's podcast concerning the AC4, John Kelly, a recognized criminal profiler, made a point not often discussed. He found it interesting that, aside from all the talk about the missing shoes, all four victims were found fully clothed (sans shoes, of course). He thought it peculiar that discovering the bodies clothed may indicate that the killer didn't have sex with the victims, at least not in the conventional sense.

    So one could theorize that neither the killer nor his targeted victims were seeking sex at the point of first encounter. Which may fit with the 'personal moral cleansing' angle that you are talking about.

    As always, just my opinion.
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    What is your theory relating the windmills with the girls?

  3. #618
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    Those windmills were likely constructed way after the killings. You can Freedom of Information Act allows anyone access to federal permits -probably an action granted through FERC. I seriously doubt they were there when these women were killed.

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    If I were the detective working the case, I would have sought out a team of forensic biologist to examine plant material on all the bodies-same for the burlaped bodies on Gilco beach. That would possible give a clue as to where they may have been killed and placed-

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    Windmills

    The windmills were not there when the women were murdered. NJ didn't legalize their construction until 2013. No connection at all.


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    The Jersey-Atlantic Wind Farm in Atlantic City, in Atlantic County, New Jersey, is the first coastal wind farm in the United States and the first wind farm in New Jersey. It became operational in March 2006 and consists of five 1.5 MW turbines built by General Electric. Each wind turbine reaches a height of 380 feet (120 m).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey-Atlantic_Wind_Farm
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    I had ever heard of the GB4, I had thought of the AC killer as someone who had been "on vacation" in AC, but stressed for some reason - thus the 4 murders in a short period of time. JustK is also correct in that the hotel is situated between the AC Expressway and the Black Horse Pike (which is the road the hotel is actually on) and where the girls were discovered is a fairly narrow.

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    Thanks for finding that and posting it here. I will see if they have a thread for her here.

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    Windmills here since 2005

    Quote Originally Posted by CMC66 View Post
    The windmills were not there when the women were murdered. NJ didn't legalize their construction until 2013. No connection at all.
    I beg to differ; I live here and the windmills were first erected at the end of 2005. In 2013 they receuved permission to expand their locations including to near the steel pier. But in 2005 they were up and running.

  10. #625
    I doubt that the Atlantic serial killer is LISK . LISK does have some sort of OCD and the selections are different like I don't think the ones in Atlantic are the type he goes for. The women are different, people have to realize just cause someone is in the sex industry does not mean they are all the same so killers pick them no there is a level of sex workers. The girls in Atlantic are girls on and from the track/blade that is very different from the women on the web. What I don't get is why kill the girls, why not watch whose pimping them out and get them, killers you know most girls don't do that job by choice so why pick them? A pimp will beat a girl if she does not bring back a quota so while you're thinking she only after the money she is worried about making quota and also if you the client is going to hurt her. It's a lose lose for any girl working against her will which 80 percent are.

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    Hello. I have been hoping they would catch the Lisk Killer since watching the scene unfold years ago on the news. I will not mention a name, but will list my suspect and reason for them being suspect. I was watching the news 2 days ago and a jolt hit me and it felt discomforting as I viewed someone on tv. This man had businesses in Atlantic City at the time of those murders and also is very prominent in NYC. I believe a man who would make a declaration that he could kill someone and get aways with it has murdered before and got away with it. This person has recently been shown to not only seek the company of very high end call girls, but many types of call girls. He seems the type to have shady officers as friends in New York and friends who run organized crime who are associated with prostitution rings as may be the case LISK. He also would have grown up visiting the prominent beaches where LISK struck and fit the highly prominent and influential marker. One of the victims name is Tiffany. I have not looked into anymore coincidences because I have not had the time. This is only a theory, but there have been equally wealthy men, one recently who have gotten away with murder. The women who did come in with reports were immediately arrested and threatened.The faces pointing east could have been toward Russia. He also associated with the type of men to do the dumping for him or with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LevisRelaxed View Post
    Hello. I have been hoping they would catch the Lisk Killer since watching the scene unfold years ago on the news. I will not mention a name, but will list my suspect and reason for them being suspect. I was watching the news 2 days ago and a jolt hit me and it felt discomforting as I viewed someone on tv. This man had businesses in Atlantic City at the time of those murders and also is very prominent in NYC. I believe a man who would make a declaration that he could kill someone and get aways with it has murdered before and got away with it. This person has recently been shown to not only seek the company of very high end call girls, but many types of call girls. He seems the type to have shady officers as friends in New York and friends who run organized crime who are associated with prostitution rings as may be the case LISK. He also would have grown up visiting the prominent beaches where LISK struck and fit the highly prominent and influential marker. One of the victims name is Tiffany. I have not looked into anymore coincidences because I have not had the time. This is only a theory, but there have been equally wealthy men, one recently who have gotten away with murder. The women who did come in with reports were immediately arrested and threatened.The faces pointing east could have been toward Russia. He also associated with the type of men to do the dumping for him or with him.
    Whos Tiffany? I dont recall her name being brought up before.

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    They kill the women (in my opinion ) because they want power over them. For example, right now the Golden State killer is a very popular topic because they really want to get this guy. One what every victim has said about this guy heís very small, meaning his package. To me this, with bullying an unhealthy upbringing and you CAN have an unhealthy upbringing even with wealth. With the GSK, they say that his taste in finer items shows that he has an eye for nice things and has been exposed to them. But something happened to this guy, and he is evil, I am a full believer that their brains are different than those that are not serial killerĎs or rapists. But they probably like the fact that these women are abused by pimps and donít feel bad for them. They feel as though these women are scum, they take out their aggression & sickness on these women and dispose of them. The AC Killer had a rhythm to what he is doing, and who is to say that the serial killers donít change up their patterns so that way they donít get caught.
    From those that have been caught they have found these men are very intelligent. Who is to say that that you donít go on a killing spree and then say to themselves if I want to continue killing I have to change where Iím doing it, how Iím doing it and who Iím doing it to.
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    Does anyone know if a season 2 is happening? No show has jolted me as you so keenly put it, like this show did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee21 View Post
    Whos Tiffany? I dont recall her name being brought up before.
    Tiffany I thought was the victim in WV that shot and killed that man they believed was responsible for multiple murders in WV and Ohio...

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