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  1. #1621
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAXIMUS View Post
    I would kind of like to see becky's FB page but I swore I would never do FB, decisions decisions, nah I dont think I will sell myself to the dark side lol.
    You probably won't see this, my friend, since the thread is closing and WS is slow, but Becky's FB page is public. You do not need to join to view it. IMO viewing is not exactly "doing" lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pensfan View Post
    I have to respectfully disagree. Research where CPS's funds are derived. The county receives federal funds for every child CPS places in foster care. In many counties, CPS is a money making industry.

    • that poor parents often times are targeted to lose their children because they do not have the where-with-all to hire lawyers and fight the system. Being poor does not mean you are not a good parent or that you do not love your child, or that your child should be removed and placed with strangers;
    • that all parents are capable of making mistakes and that making a mistake does not mean your children are always to be removed from the home. Even if the home is not perfect, it is home; and that’s where a child is the safest and where he or she wants to be, with family;
    • that parenting classes, anger management classes, counseling referrals, therapy classes and on and on are demanded of parents with no compassion by the system even while they are at work and while their children are separated from them. This can take months or even years and it emotionally devastates both children and parents. Parents are victimized by “the system” that makes a profit for holding children longer and “bonuses” for not returning children;
    • that caseworkers and social workers are oftentimes guilty of fraud. They withhold evidence. They fabricate evidence and they seek to terminate parental rights. However, when charges are made against them, the charges are ignored;
    • that the separation of families is growing as a business because local governments have grown accustomed to having taxpayer dollars to balance their ever-expanding budgets;
    • that Child Protective Service and Juvenile Court can always hide behind a confidentiality clause in order to protect their decisions and keep the funds flowing. There should be open records and “court watches”! Look who is being paid!
    There are state employees, lawyers, court investigators, court personnel, and judges. There are psychologists, and psychiatrists, counselors, caseworkers, therapists, foster parents, adoptive parents, and on and on. All are looking to the children in state custody to provide job security. Parents do not realize that social workers are the glue that holds “the system” together that funds the court, the child’s attorney, and the multiple other jobs including DFCS’s attorney.
    • that The Adoption and the Safe Families Act, set in motion by President Bill Clinton, offered cash “bonuses” to the states for every child they adopted out of foster care. In order to receive the “adoption incentive bonuses” local child protective services need more children. They must have merchandise (children) that sell and you must have plenty of them so the buyer can choose. Some counties are known to give a $4,000 bonus for each child adopted and an additional $2,000 for a “special needs” child. Employees work to keep the federal dollars flowing;
    • that there is double dipping. The funding continues as long as the child is out of the home. When a child in foster care is placed with a new family then “adoption bonus funds” are available. When a child is placed in a mental health facility and is on 16 drugs per day, like two children of a constituent of mine, more funds are involved;
    • that there are no financial resources and no real drive to unite a family and help keep them together;
    • that the incentive for social workers to return children to their parents quickly after taking them has disappeared and who in protective services will step up to the plate and say, “This must end! No one, because they are all in the system together and a system with no leader and no clear policies will always fail the children. Look at the waste in government that is forced upon the tax payer;
    • that the “Policy Manuel” is considered “the last word” for DFCS. However, it is too long, too confusing, poorly written and does not take the law into consideration;
    • that if the lives of children were improved by removing them from their homes, there might be a greater need for protective services, but today all children are not always safer. Children, of whom I am aware, have been raped and impregnated in foster care and the head of a Foster Parents Association in my District was recently arrested because of child molestation;
    • that some parents are even told if they want to see their children or grandchildren, they must divorce their spouse. Many, who are under privileged, feeling they have no option, will divorce and
    then just continue to live together. This is an anti-family policy, but parents will do anything to get their children home with them.
    • fathers, (non-custodial parents) I must add, are oftentimes treated as criminals without access to their own children and have child support payments strangling the very life out of them;
    • that the Foster Parents Bill of Rights does not bring out that a foster parent is there only to care for a child until the child can be returned home. Many Foster Parents today use the Foster Parent Bill of Rights to hire a lawyer and seek to adopt the child from the real parents, who are desperately trying to get their child home and out of the system;
    • that tax dollars are being used to keep this gigantic system afloat, yet the victims, parents, grandparents, guardians and especially the children, are charged for the system’s services.
    • that grandparents have called from all over the State of Georgia trying to get custody of their grandchildren. DFCS claims relatives are contacted, but there are cases that prove differently. Grandparents who lose their grandchildren to strangers have lost their own flesh and blood. The children lose their family heritage and grandparents, and parents too, lose all connections to their heirs.
    • that The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect in 1998 reported that six times as many children died in foster care than in the general public and that once removed to official “safety”, these children are far more likely to suffer abuse, including sexual molestation than in the general population.
    • That according to the California Little Hoover Commission Report in 2003, 30% to 70% of the children in California group homes do not belong there and should not have been removed from their homes.

    Value your insights,and enjoy reading your posts. And so I will ask that we can respectfully agree to disagree on this matter... The four kiddos we adopted from foster care did pretty good... Just a thought, and JMO...

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    With this latest info about the no contact order coming out...it is pretty clear to me that LE believes whatever happened to Isa most likely happened to her inside that house within the immediate family.

    I'm no rocket scientist, but the clues have been fairly straightforward from the start where things were most likely headed here. First we have a dog alerting to something, then the house is blocked and considered a crime scene and processed, the family is not allowed to be in the house for some period of time (days), now a legal order to keep SC away from the other children.

    I mean c'mon. What kind of coincidence could it be that a random kidnapper just happens to select this family AND there's something hinky going on with the father, the mother, the kids.

    To see what LE is thinking, just watch their actions.

    BTW, to those who think every police department announces when they consider someone a POI, they don't. Some do, most do not. Most don't say anything officially and only make announcements when there's an arrest or a manhunt going on.

    It means nothing that the TPD has not "named" anyone as a POI. They have their theories and I guarantee they are considering this crime as a probable family situation that went horribly wrong and is being covered up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAXIMUS View Post
    I am with you I think it is unrelated to the case and more related to marriage problems of some sort that have gotten to the point that the environment is no longer good for the kids. I doubt it is child porn on computer they check those computers right away and they would have known already about that plus if they do find CP on your computer they make arrests pretty quickly. I think he and Becky are fighting and maybe Sergio has fallen off the and could be a mean drunk.
    The only reason I doubt this scenario is the No Contact order/stip is between boys and Dad. Not Mom.

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    Okay, here's the link to the new thread. I hope I can post it. The board's a little whacky tonight.

    AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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