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    ***FACT CHECK***NO Discussion***LIST ONLY***

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    FACT: TM was not GBC's only mistress.

    But Toni McHugh knew him as Gerard Baden-Clay - her long-time colleague and lover who wanted to free himself from his wife and his life so they could be together.

    What she did not know, until police told her, was that Baden-Clay was also allegedly having affairs with two other women, police have claimed in documents tendered in opposition to his bail application yesterday.


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    Reported fact list

    Thanks JoJo

    Originally Posted by Rational
    Posted on 17 May 1.20 pm

    A running chronology of what I think we know definitely (ie that can be substantiated by either the police, public statements by friends and or other links)
    Please feel free to add subtract or correct.

    April 19
    -GBC was due to attend Kenmore CC meeting at 7 am. No conformation if he attended.
    -around 9 am GBCmade purchase at chemist. Chemist made statement to police
    -Cross country race atchildren's school at which both GBCand ABCattended
    - ABC goes to hairdresser stating that she has the night off as children are at sleepover 'hairdresser interviewed by police.
    - ABC speaks to best friend over phone and says she will drop in on Friday after Pathways conference
    -10 pm Argument overheard by neighbours, scream and muffled scream heard, dog barking loudly

    April 20
    -witness sees two 4wds, one white and smaller blue one , white one with parking lights, bluenose full lights, at around 4am near Anstead 2 km from Kholo Creek Bridge
    - 7.30 am GBC reports ABC missing to police
    -GBC engages lawyer
    - GBC observed with scratches to face and torso

    April 21
    - police declare crime scene and cars impounded

    April 22
    - GBCcrashes friend's car

    April 23
    Police declare GBC a POI along with a number of other people close to the couple

    April 24
    Heavy rain Greater Brisbane area

    April 22- 25
    -GBC engages barrister

    April 25
    - police spent 4 hrs interviewing a woman believed to be a former colleague of GBC. This woman subsequently hires a lawyer
    - Police are urging anyone who saw the family cars if ABC and GBC on the night she vanished to come forward

    April 26
    Police search a house in Durness St Kenmore and executed a search warrant at a business.

    April 27
    Huge amount of rain in Brookfield and Anstead/Pullenvale catchment

    April 30-now
    -body of Allison found near Kholo Creek bridge on bank
    - police keep asking anyone who saw anything suspicious near roundabout between 11 pm on April 19 and 4.30 am April 20 to contact them.
    -Police say Allison knew her killer and possibly had an accomplice.
    On 5 May police say that they now know that ABC was murdered before her body was dumped in a creek

    Re mobile phone, it was reported that the mobile phone,which disappeared when ABC did, eventually ran flat however, before it did, police were able to triangulate it narrowing the location to Brookfield, Kenmore and Pullenvale.

    Thank you to everyone who commented, greaat collective effort, but I will take individual responsibility for any mistakes and will try and correct!'
    The more I know the more I don't know
    Last edited by Rational; 05-17-2012 at 01:20 PM. Reason: Include additions from other posters
    Just to remind us this was a post pulled together by a number of posters contributing to what was known in thread 10. I thought it may be useful to repost.

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    Cool Interesting website:

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    Originally Posted by Fuskier
    Quote taken directly from the above link today:
    gerard baden-clay - Managing Director / Principal
    gerard baden-clay, Brookfield State School P&C, AREP - Astute Real Estate Personnel,


    Discussion Thread No: 38 Post No: 1252
    Today, 04:13 AM
    Registered User
    Thank you Fuskier. And just to make it all the more real and prove that I did see it!
    Last edited by Fuskier; 09-11-2012 at 06:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuskier View Post
    Discussion thread no: 38 post no: 1252
    today, 04:13 am
    registered user
    thank you fuskier. And just to make it all the more real and prove that i did see it!

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    Info re questions about the Company:

    Mountain Mist: Post no: 1243
    This is the link which gave us GBC as director of A-REP:

    A-REP website http://a-rep.com.au/ - gives us PD as Managing Director

    Linkedin search on PD - http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view...HcfO&trk=pbmap
    gives us a list of PD companies apart from A-REP - leads us to Discreet Investigations & Security Pty Ltd which is the parent coy for Ozspy Indooroopilly

    Whether GBC is a director of both is the question. PD and GBC are co-directors of A-REP and PD is Managing Director of Ozspy Indooroopilly, however we have mislaid the evidence between GBC and the second parent company (Discreet Investigations & Security P/L) apart from the connection between the two men.

    Since that post, evidence of GBC's role as Director/Principal of Astute Real Estate Personnel in 2006 was confirmed on the Thread before it closed.
    Please see posts below from Thread 38:

    Quote: Post 1251
    Originally Posted by Mountain Misst
    You haven't lost it Makara...
    Click on the link below then click on "Show all professional experiences" and there it is..... Gerard Baden Clay is listed as 2006 - Director of A-REP

    Fuskier: Post 1251
    Quote taken directly from the above link today:
    gerard baden-clay - Managing Director / Principal
    gerard baden-clay, Brookfield State School P&C, AREP - Astute Real Estate Personnel,

    Makara: Post 1252
    gerard baden-clay - Managing Director / Principal
    AREP - Astute Real Estate Personnel, 2006

    Makara: The screencap of the document has been posted on FACTS NO DISCUSSION thread.

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    GLOSSARY OF USEFUL LEGAL TERMS: Queensland government, Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions Annual Report 2011 – 2012

    accused The accused is a person who is alleged to have committed an offence. In this report, a convicted person is also referred to as the accused for ease of reference.

    appeal (upheld/dismissed) This is the name given to the process by which all or part of a court’s decision is reviewed. Appeals are made to and determined by a court higher than the court which made the decision appealed against. The judicial hierarchy of courts in Queensland, from highest to lowest is the High Court of Australia, Court of Appeal (Queensland), Supreme Court (Queensland), District Courts (Queensland), and the Magistrates Courts (Queensland).
    Appeals can be against sentence or conviction or both. If, on appeal, a lower court is found to have made an error, the appeal is upheld and the decision of the lower court is quashed or overturned. In the case of an appeal against sentence, a different sentence will be substituted.
    With respect to an appeal against conviction, a new trial can be ordered or a verdict of acquittal entered. If no error is found or, in some cases, if there is no substantial miscarriage of justice, the appeal is dismissed and the decision of the lower court is confirmed.

    appear/appearance When a person physically goes before a court that person is said to appear before the court. When that person’s lawyer physically goes before a court on that person’s behalf, that lawyer is said to have appeared for that person. The action of that person or that person’s lawyer, as the case may be, is called an appearance.

    bail Once a person has been arrested and charged with an offence, that person must remain in jail unless that person has legal authority to remain out of jail. When a person receives such authority that person is said to have been granted bail. Bail may be on the accused’s own undertaking to appear or with sureties and subject to conditions.

    Circuit Court Circuit Court is the name given to the Supreme Court when it holds hearings elsewhere than Brisbane, Rockhampton, Cairns or Townsville. charge Charge is the name given to the formal record of an allegation that an accused has committed an offence. A person is usually charged by police and once charged that person must appear before a court at a specified place, date and time to be dealt with according to law.

    committal (hand up) A hand-up committal relates to a committal hearing at which the legal representative of the accused consents to all of the statements of witnesses being handed up to the magistrate without any of the witnesses then being required to give oral evidence.

    committal hearing (committed for trial / committed for sentence)
    A committal hearing is the name given to the procedure by which a magistrate determines if there is a prima facie case that is sufficient evidence to order that an accused person stand trial before a judge and jury. If the magistrate determines there is sufficient evidence, then the magistrate orders the accused to stand trial before a court (made up of a judge and jury) which has jurisdiction to try the accused. This will be a District Court or the Supreme Court.
    The word ‘committal’ is used because, when a magistrate makes such an order, the person is said to have been committed for trial. The word ‘hearing’ is used because most of the evidence is given by word of mouth (testimony) and the magistrate listens to, that is hears, that evidence.
    If at the committal hearing the accused admits to having breached the law as charged, the magistrate will order the accused person to appear before a District Court or the Supreme Court to be punished (sentenced) according to law. Such an accused is said to have been committed for sentence.

    complaint and summons When an accused is to stand trial or to be sentenced in a Magistrates Court, the document used to set out the charges is called a ‘complaint and summons’. The document is so called because in the first part, a person, usually a police officer, ‘complains’ that the accused has committed an offence, and in the second part the accused is called or summoned to appear before the Court.

    Crown The Crown refers to the Queensland Government representing the community of Queensland. All criminal proceedings are brought in the name of the Queen.

    depositions The evidence heard by the magistrate at a committal hearing is recorded on tape. When a person is committed for trial or committed for sentence, the tape recording of the committal hearing is transcribed onto paper. This transcript, along with any other evidence
    tendered at the committal hearing, such as photographs, maps and statements, are collectively
    called ‘the depositions’.

    The Director means the person appointed as the Director of Public Prosecutions for the State of Queensland.

    discontinuance Discontinuance is the name given to the process by which it is decided and formally recorded that an accused is not to be prosecuted further and the criminal proceedings against an accused are to cease. Practically speaking, this means an accused no longer needs bail to remain out of gaol and will not stand trial or be sentenced. If an indictment has been presented, a written record of the discontinuance is entered as well. This record is called a nolle prosequi, Latin for ‘I do not wish to prosecute’. If the indictment has not been presented, the discontinuance by way of the filing of what is known as a ‘No True Bill’ in the Court Registry.

    ex officio indictment This is the name given to an indictment presented to a court without a person being committed for trial or committed for sentence.

    indemnity Indemnity is the granting of an assurance that no criminal proceeding will be taken or continued in relation to criminal acts admitted by the person to whom the indemnity is granted in order to obtain the evidence of that person (see also ‘use-derivative-use undertaking’).

    indictment Indictment is the name given to the document which sets out the offence or offences that an accused is alleged to have committed and in relation to which the accused must stand trial and be sentenced if found guilty. Indictments are presented to (lodged with) the Supreme Court or a District Court to notify the court of the offence/s with which the accused has been charged and in relation to which the accused must stand trial and be sentenced, if found guilty.

    indictable offence If an accused has been charged with an offence and has an initial right to stand trial before a judge and jury, the offence is an indictable offence. This is so, even though the accused or some other person may determine that the accused will stand trial before a magistrate only.

    mention/adjournment A mention is an appearance before a court which is list/sittings not for a specific purpose such as trial, sentence or committal hearing. It is a process to allow the court
    and the parties to monitor the progress of charges. Usually once a person has been charged, the charges will be mentioned at least once so a date for the committal hearing or trial may be set.
    The list is the written record kept by a court of all mentions, trials, sentences and bail applications (and committal hearings in the case of a Magistrates Court) to be heard by that court. The list is kept in a form similar to that of a diary.
    The District and Supreme Courts are available only between certain dates to hold trials or pass sentence. These periods are referred to as ‘sittings’. For example when a person is committed for trial, the magistrate may say something similar to ‘you are committed for trial to the sittings of the Supreme Court of Queensland at Brisbane commencing 30 January 2012’.

    nolle prosequi See ‘discontinuance’

    offence An offence is any act or omission which is prohibited by the law of Queensland and for which you will be punished. Offences may be indictable or summary. Summary offences can be heard and determined in a Magistrates Court only.

    Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions is the statutory body within the Department of Justice and Attorney-General under the Director’s control. All Crown Prosecutors are employed in the ODPP.

    plea A plea is the formal response of an accused at trial or sentence to an indictment. At the accused’s trial or sentence the indictment is read out to the accused (the accused is ‘arraigned’) and the accused then formally responds by saying he or she is ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’.

    prosecutors Prosecutors are barristers authorised to appear in the superior courts on behalf of the Crown. The term also includes both Crown Prosecutors from the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions and members of the private bar who hold a commission toprosecute and are briefed to do work for the Director.

    summary trial A summary trial is a trial held in a Magistrates Court before a magistrate sitting alone.
    superior courts Superior Courts mean the District Court and the Supreme Court.

    trial ‘Trials’ is the name of the hearing where all the evidence which supports the charge against the
    accused and the evidence advanced by the accused by way of defence is heard by the judge and jury. Subsequently, having regard to that evidence only, the jury decides whether the accused is guilty or not guilty. If it is determined that the charge is proved beyond reasonable doubt, the jury finds the accused guilty. This is called a verdict of guilty. If the court is satisfied that the jury has reached its verdict after proper deliberation and that it is lawful to do so, it will accept the verdict and formally convict the accused and then sentence the accused. In the case of a trial before a magistrate, the magistrate will consider the same issues as the jury before he or she reaches a guilty verdict and will then proceed to sentence the accused. If it is determined that the charge has not been proved then the magistrate or the jury finds the accused not guilty. This is called a verdict of not guilty. The judge or magistrate will then record that the accused has been acquitted and the accused is then released or discharged.

    A judge alone trial is one conducted by a Judge in the District or Supreme Court without a jury.

    Use-derivative-use undertaking This is an undertaking given to a potential witness on
    the understanding that the evidence to be given by the particular witness will not be used against him/her in any criminal proceeding, nor will any evidence discovered as a result of the giving of such evidence be used against him/her (see also ‘Indemnity’).

    voir dire Voir dire is the term given to a ‘trial within a trial’ which is conducted in the absence of the jury to enable the trial judge to determine matters of law.

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