Identified! MN - Lilydale, Miss River, UncFem 25-30, 805UFMN, blue shorts, Jun'76 - Roberta Seyfert

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Case File: 805UFMN http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/805ufmn.html

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Unidentified Female
Date of Discovery: June 11, 1976
Location of Discovery: Lilydale, Ramsey County, Minnesota
Estimated Date of Death: 1976
State of Remains: Unknown
Cause of Death: Unknown

Physical Description
** Listed information is approximate

Estimated Age: 25-30
Race: Unsure
Gender: Female
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 150 lbs
Hair Color: Unknown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: None

Dentals: Not Available
Fingerprints: Not Available
DNA: Not Available

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Socks, Blue shorts, Shoes
Jewelry: None
Additional Personal Items: None

Case History

Female victim was found in the Mississippi River, Lilydale, Minnesota
 
Note: I moved this post from the Blue Earth Jane Doe thread (183UFMN) to this thread, after realizing that Mildred is not as plausible a possible to the Blue Earth Jane Doe as I had originally thought.

A new case was added to NAMPN yesterday:

Mildred Louise Butterworth Roche
http://www.nampn.org/cases/roche_mildred.html

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NAMPN indicates she was LKA in Fargo North Dakota, but she was from Mankato MN, and it appears that she was actually LKA in Mankato.

I found a better photo of her in the Mankato State Teacher's College 1957 yearbook (about 19 years before her Date LKA).

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Her age or DOB isn't indicated in NAMPN. But She looks to be about 20 in this 1957 photo, meaning that she was born in about the mid 1930's and was about 40 in 1976, when last seen.

She is probably a little too old for this Jane Doe, and there isn't much in terms of vital stats. But the timeframe is spot-on.
 
I think she is younger in the photo you posted above. I think she is about 18 or so. It seems to me that since teenagers have been around, teenage girls have always wanted to look older than they really are. But the wave perm in her hair makes her look oldish.
 
http://www.kare11.com/news/bca-to-families-of-missing-people-provide-a-dna-sample/455807575

( Sent from KARE 11 )

ST. PAUL, Minn. - The bodies of five people exhumed*last summer remain unidentified so the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is turning to families with missing loved ones for clues.*

In a news conference on Tuesday, BCA officials urged those with missing family members to come forward to give DNA samples, in the hopes they may find a match to these unidentified remains.*

(More at link)

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A few possibilities: Joan Bieter http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bieter_joan.html was last seen by her family in 1968. Ruth Egnoski http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/egnoski_ruth.html has disturbingly little information available, the exact year of her disappearance as well as the circumstances behind it are unknown. Linda Nickell http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nickell_linda.html has previously fractured her right arm. Nancy Tharp http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tharp_nancy.html has little information available and her LKA date is after this JD was found, but if her missing date is off she'd be my top candidate. Her age is close, her height is right, and she went missing less than 25 miles from Lilydale.
 
theshadow45 said:
A few possibilities: Joan Bieter http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bieter_joan.html was last seen by her family in 1968. Ruth Egnoski http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/egnoski_ruth.html has disturbingly little information available, the exact year of her disappearance as well as the circumstances behind it are unknown. Linda Nickell http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nickell_linda.html has previously fractured her right arm. Nancy Tharp http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tharp_nancy.html has little information available and her LKA date is after this JD was found, but if her missing date is off she'd be my top candidate. Her age is close, her height is right, and she went missing less than 25 miles from Lilydale.
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Some time ago I checked and was told that is a possible match has dna then it is a rule out. Nancy Tharp and our JD both have DNA on file. Nancy send like she would be a good match, doesn't she? Other than the DNA....

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Jane Doe was discovered in June of 76 but Nancy Tharp didn't go missing until August of 77, so I don't think this one could be Nancy, unfortunately.
 
kelso319 said:
Jane Doe was discovered in June of 76 but Nancy Tharp didn't go missing until August of 77, so I don't think this one could be Nancy, unfortunately.
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I'm starting to think that you're right. I suggested her mostly because she had little info available and it was possible that her missing date could be wrong, particularly if she wasn't reported missing right away. Found more information looking into it more, she likely was reported right away so her date looks pretty solid. She apparently was last seen leaving home to buy her young son a birthday cake and never returned. Nancy's NamUs page:https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/12961/83 .
 
I wonder if there's a connection between her and Ramsey County Jane Doe 1977. Perhaps they were killed by the same person? It seems a bit odd to have two kind of similar cases in a place like the Twin Cities within a year of each other. I'm from Minnesota. It should be interesting when one or both get identified. She may have been from Wisconsin, not Minnesota, perhaps. And maybe the 1977 Jane Doe was too. Just some thoughts.
 
She has been identified as 22 years old Roberta Seyfert from Tucson, Arizona:


Lilydale Jane Doe 1976 - DNA Doe Project Cases

Roberta Seyfert was born in 1954 in Tucson, Arizona. Her body was found floating in the Mississippi River on June 11, 1976. Exactly how long her body had been in the water is unknown, but authorities estimate she died weeks earlier in 1976. Ms. Seyfert would have been 22 at the time of her death.

Using a DNA sample previously taken from the remains, the Ramsey County Medical Examiner’s Office contacted the DNA Doe Project in March of 2021 hoping to identify the woman using investigative genetic genealogy. The sample was processed to create a DNA profile that could be uploaded to GEDmatch, a public database, and by late June, 2021, the volunteer investigative genetic genealogists began to analyze the genetic matches.

The closest DNA matches were distant cousins. DDP’s Investigative Genetic Genealogy Research Team traced the Doe’s paternal line back to early eighteenth-century Luxembourg to find a common ancestor who had immigrated to the United States in the mid-1840’s. On July 3, 2021, the team arrived at a potential candidate for Jane Doe and notified the Ramsey County Medical Examiner’s Office.

Team Leader Rebecca Somerhalder stated, “Even though the highest match was in the distant cousin range, our team of investigative genetic genealogists were able to quickly follow the DNA connections which led to giving Roberta her name back. We are honored to have had the opportunity to work on this case and to have played a part in bringing her home to her family.
 
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