George Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread *No Discussion* 7/1/2013

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Dear Webseuths Members,

We know many of you want to discuss the facts of the case and as long as the discussion is civil you may discuss the case in general in this link below:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213157"]George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


This thread is for REAL TIME COURTROOM updates.

If those of you watching could please update this thread as much as possible it will be greatly appreciated by those unable to watch the trial while at work.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

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Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 38m
We were just informed that attys have settled their issues that were going to be out hashed at 830 hearing. Testimony starts at 9.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1h
Testimony to Begin in Week 2 of Zimmerman Trial http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/testimony-begin-week-zimmerman-trial-19540456 … #trayvonmartin

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 17h
CNN, HLN televising dueling #Zimmerman trial shows (from @AP) http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=HXkJnbsM …

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 29 Jun
5 key moments from first week of Zimmerman trial: http://news.yahoo.com/5-key-moments-first-week-zimmerman-trial-174853596.html … (from @mikeschneiderAP)
 
Natalie Tolomeo ‏@NatalieTolomeo 2m
Dr. Hirotaka Nakasone is the state's 23rd witness called to testify. #Zimmerman #GeorgeZimemrman #Trayvon #TrayvonMartin
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
That testimony Nakasone prev gave was at a pretrial hearing.

Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 6m
Nakasone said it's not possible to determine who is screaming on the 911 call that recorded screams and the fatal shot.
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
State witness Hirotaka Nakasone called to stand. He is an FBI voice analyst. Attys at sidebar.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 11m
We are back in session. #zimmermantrial
 
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Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says the cellphone distorts the human voice and the FBI won't analyze it for that reason. #Zimmermanon9

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Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says sceaming must be removed from voice sample and you need at least 30 seconds. Ten seconds is not enough. #Zimmermanon9

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 49s
Def used Nakasone's opinion that screamer couldn't be deter to help get state experts who said it was poss disallowed pretrial.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
Def atty West as state asks judge to qualify Nakasone as expert: [asks if there are any objections to his qualifications] "Absolutely not. We encourage the court to."

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
Juror B51, an unmarried woman in her 60s, assumes her normal posture leaned fwd in her chair. #zimmerman #trayvonmartin
 
Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
Jurors taking sporadic notes during first real scientific testimony of the trial. #zimmerman.

Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
Nakasone is now telling jurors about analysis he did on 911 call in this case. 45 sec segment of call he listened to. Screams < 3 sec

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says human listening can be another option. Both families are saying it was their loved one. #Zimmermanon9

5m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The state wanted to call 2 other experts to testify it was not #Zimmermanon9's voice screaming for help but the judge ruled that 1/2

4m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Their methods were not scientifically sound. One looped the screaming to trick the machine. #Zimmermanon9
 
1m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says 2.53 seconds is not fit for voice comparison and says the distance from the phone and echo distorted it. #Zimmermanon9

2m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says there was only 2.53 seconds of isolated screaming that wasn't overlapped with other voices. #Zimmermanon9
 
Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 1m
Nakasone: "Guessing age (on a recording) is a little complicated." #Zimmerman

[Voice of person usually does not get established until about age 20]


Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says stress raises pitch for example pilots before a crash and people on rollercoasters. #Zimmermanon9


3m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says age is very complicated to guess under the best of conditions. A 55-year-old can sound like a teenager. #Zimmermanon9
 
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
He says puberty also affects pitch even without screaming. Usually the voice change is complete at the age of 20. #Zimmermanon9

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says sometimes you can recognize the voice just by listening either in person or recorded. #Zimmermanon9

[familiar voice, such as mother, can usually recognize in 2 words]

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says it would be difficult for him to compare two voices unfamiliar to him by listening. #Zimmermanon9

Direct by Mantei over....cross by West begins
 
Jeff Weiner &#8207;@JeffWeinerOS 3m
Mantei: Familiar-voice ID more reliable with audio in this case? Nakasone agrees. #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin #ZimmermanTrial
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 2m
Nakasone says being familiar with a person's voice helps to be better able to ID. Likely sets up #trayvonmartin mother saying its him.

Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 1m
Prosecutor hands off Nakasone for defense cross exam by Don West.

In response to West question:
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says even with familiar voices you have to know the voice under similar circumstances. #Zimmermanon9

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Defense is cross examining Dr. Nakasone. The defense called him as their witness in the hearing to prevent other 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
State experts from testifying. An unusual situation. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9
 
Jeff Weiner &#8207;@JeffWeinerOS 3m
FWIW: Twitter reporter/lawyer consensus seems to be state called Nakasone to preview/bolster upcoming testimony by #TrayvonMartin's mother.
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 3m
West hammers Nakasone's creds and that its his expert opinion that tech 4 deter ID from screams on a recording not yet possible

1m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The jury is paying close attention as he talks about how complicated voice recognition is and is done by team. #Zimmermanon9
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV

Dr. Nakasone says listener bias can affect what the listeners believe they are hearing. Group sessions are not tolerated. #Zimmermanon9

Wests asks him a question about bias, objection, sustained. West wants to make the doctor his witness, judges denies, same objection could be made.

Bill S....West does not like that state called his witness and has made him a state witness....Dr. said the best voice ID can be made with someone who has known the person their whole life.

West asks for sidebar, says he has a constitutional objection.


Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 3m
Prosecution has objected twice to defense trying to ask questions it says are beyond his expertise. Attys at bench now.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 5m
Though they're not supposed to give atty objections any weight, these jurors always seem intrigued when one arises. #zimmerman
 
Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 2m
Sidebar over. Testimony continues. Objection was overruled.

Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says he would tell law enforcement not to do that. #Zimmermanon9

2m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone told the jury a group session will increase the possibility of infecting the reliability of the identification. #Zimmermanon9

4m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The judge is going to allow the defense to ask more questions. #Zimmermanon9

5m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Martin's father listened to the screaming two days after the shooting. The police report said he lowered his head and 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

4m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Said it was not Martin screaming. He changed his mind during that highly unorthodox group session. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

7m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The defense again is trying to turn a state witness into a defense witness. Judge is deciding at the bench. #Zimmermanon9

8m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The jury heard the objections and the FBI expert's answers but the defense wants the jury to hear even more about this. #Zimmermanon9

9m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The defense is working to dismantle the way the Martin family identified his voice as the one screaming for help. #Zimmermanon9

10m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The defense asked another question about group listening and Dr.Nakasone said it's not recommended before the state objected. #Zimmermanon9

12m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The state objected it was sustained and defense then wanted to call the FBI expert as its own witness on the spot. #Zimmermanon9

13m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The city of Sanford had the Martin family listen to the 911 call without law enforcement as a group. #Zimmermanon9
 
Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 8m
FBI audio expert testifies in #Zimmerman trial (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=DH9vFTAQ …

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 9m
Nakasone says a group of ppl listening to a recording at same time increases listener bias. #zimmerman

8m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The judge would not allow the defense to ask if there would be a good reason to do a group session. #Zimmermanon9

Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 3m
Juror E6 could give the court reporter a run for her money with her active note taking. #Zimmerman


Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone told the local FBI not to have #Zimmermanon9 try to do a reenactment of the screaming.

2m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says the screams on the 911 recording indicate a life threatening situation. #Zimmermanon9
 
Dr. says he could not ID the voice, did not attempt.

West says what we have determined is that science does not help us in this case, Dr. says correct.

1m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
The defense is using the FBI expert to help its argument that #Zimmermanon9 was in a life threatening situation based on the screams.

2m
Kathi Belich, WFTV @KBelichWFTV
Dr. Nakasone says there would be no way to recreate those screams and there is no way to figure the age of the one screaming. #Zimmermanon9

Would you urge caution to the jury in listening to the tape and determining who they think it is. Objection, sustained, judge will give instructions to jury for this.

Cross over...Mantei back....asks Dr. if best person to ID voice is someone who knew the one heard on tape in a similar situation. Agrees. Would not take very long, only a few seconds.
 
Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 5m
Nakasone asked by West if science can't help in this case determine the screamer ID: "Unfortunately that is correct."

Fin Gomez &#8207;@finnygo 4m
Nakasone says best chance 2 identify voice on 911 call is thru ppl familiar w/ #GeorgeZimmerman or #TrayvonMartin?"That is my opinion, yes."

West on recross...asks about FBI using computers to analyze voice comparison...in this case would the current software methods work to analyze the voice...no

Mantei, does that apply to your own professional determination, but not to familiar voice recognition,,,yes.

15 min. recess...

Bill S. ....defense was not able to overcome what the expert says....we know the state is not going to have an expert testify it was Trayvon's voice, but the mother will come in and ID his voice...and doctor says that is possible.
 
2m
WFTV Eyewitness News &#10004; @WFTV

UPDATE: FBI audio expert testifies in #Zimmermantrial: http://at.wftv.com/1b25QWZ #Zimmermanon9 pic.twitter.com/rdgIj5T8eo
Retweeted by Kathi Belich, WFTV

Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 3m
Another update: FBI audio expert testifies in #Zimmerman trial (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=DH9vFTAQ …

Court back session...state calls next witness...de la Rionda on direct...

Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor &#8207;@Yamiche 1m
De la Rionda says state and defense have agreed to play parts of Zimmerman's interview with authorities with redactions
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Jeff Weiner Jeff Weiner &#8207;@JeffWeinerOS 1m
Next witness: Sanford police investigator Doris Singleton. Conducted 1st taped interview of #GeorgeZimmerman. #TrayvonMartin
Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 31s
Singleton says she did recorded interview with #zimmerman the night if shooting.

She IDs Miranda warning card signed by Zimmerman before she interviewed him.

He did not appear to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. He spoke fluently and had not problem understanding her.

At first he said he did not need medical treatment, later he said he was not sure. He never said he was in pain. If he had asked for any reason that he wanted to go to the hospital, she would have made that possible.

Talked to him between 8-9 pm.

Playing tape now...
 
Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 2m
Audio is playing now.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 3m
Prosecution is about to play audio from the interview. Was just formally introduced into evidence.

Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 4m
Note taking en masse has ticked up in the jury box again. #zimmerman #TrayvonMartin

Kyle Hightower &#8207;@khightower 1m
Juror E54, lone male, takes off glasses and rests one leg of them against lips as he listens in.
 
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