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    Quote Originally Posted by G&AMom View Post
    BBM. I used to work for a general contractor and actually I would not necessarily have expected to get information from building permits. My initial guess is that a contractor would want an estimate from David that he (the contractor) could include in a bid for the person who wanted the work done. This might be a year or more before construction would begin. It was certainly worth a try, though.

    This is certainly a baffling case. Looking at the Facebook page he seems to have had many good friends -- not at all likely that he would have walked away. What strikes me as really odd is that in all this time, nobody seems to be missing the other man. Is there any indication of who he was?
    I guess since the family said there was a foundation laid, I expected there to be at least a permit to begin foundation work??
    There's always the possibility that
    1. They were building without a permit
    2. They had started foundation construction years before, took a break, and then started to bid additional work on the construction.

    There doesn't seem to be ANY indication of who the other man was. I don't feel 100% about whether the man he left the Dollar General with was the contractor or the owner of the property he was bidding.
    They suggest that the older man who owns the property may have a name that sounds like "Carl" or "Earl"

    David seems like a wonderful artist and builder. They have many of his paintings and rock work (fireplaces, etc) up on their facebook page.
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    Without any more information than is posted on this thread, I would say that the elderly gentleman had a car accident on the way to wherever they were going, and they have gone over an embankment, or some similar situation.
    My posts are opinion and speculation only, and may not be used for any purpose outside of this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosesfromangels View Post
    Without any more information than is posted on this thread, I would say that the elderly gentleman had a car accident on the way to wherever they were going, and they have gone over an embankment, or some similar situation.
    If that were the case, I'm just surprised that elderly gentleman hasn't been reported missing by his loved ones...
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    I wonder how David came in contact with this individual? Was it through an internet ad for help ....or a personal recommendation....or a casual meeting?

    I think it sounds like David may have encountered an older man who had more in mind than building. Hope the future holds answers for David's loved ones. Not knowing anything would be horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohhieliz View Post
    If that were the case, I'm just surprised that elderly gentleman hasn't been reported missing by his loved ones...
    or neighbors or even the postman. If David was packed for a trip, this must have been a small job that wasn't going to take him long to complete. Perhaps a chimney or front steps that needed repair. If David was up on this man's roof doing repairs, could he have fallen and this older man gotten scared and covered it up. Are there rural areas around or could this man's house have been set away from other homes? I would ask LE what a reasonable search area would be, a radius around the Dollar Store and then search for homes with single men. It sounds like David, just being friendly, would jump into the other man's vehicle if the man looked harmless and if the man said it was a little complicated to get to his home. Maybe David felt like talking and the man looked like he would be fun to talk to. You never know if someone older is going to panic, get confused and think they are going to be in trouble if a worker gets hurt even if it was an accident.


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    Just saw this today and it caught my eye because we are moving to this exact area in TN shortly. I have been in the parking lot of that Dollar General before.

    I will say that TN seems much more lax in the permit/ permission process that what my husband and I are used to here in the Northeast. When we inquired about things like septic systems, we were told they could be just a 55 gallon drum buried in the yard.

    We looked at many rural properties in this area and another thing should be note. Because of the topography, you could be building something and have no one know what was going on. It is hilly, densely wooded in spots and rural. It is only an hour outside of Nashville, but it is certainly not over developed or heavily populated. There is also a lot of uninhabited ground that people do not walk or use on a regular basis.

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    And after reading the Facebook page, to give you an idea, the property we bought has stone walls and barns on it. This description describes 100% of the properties we looked at in the area. I think in total we looked at between 8-10 properties in Dekalb, Smith and Wilson Counties. And there were many more listed that we did not look at as they did not match our criteria!

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    Just one more thought- was David looking for work on Craig's List or advertising there?

    There have been multiple cases in PA of people being attacked, robbed and/or murdered from responding to ads on Craig's List.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutter99 View Post
    Just saw this today and it caught my eye because we are moving to this exact area in TN shortly. I have been in the parking lot of that Dollar General before.

    I will say that TN seems much more lax in the permit/ permission process that what my husband and I are used to here in the Northeast. When we inquired about things like septic systems, we were told they could be just a 55 gallon drum buried in the yard.

    We looked at many rural properties in this area and another thing should be note. Because of the topography, you could be building something and have no one know what was going on. It is hilly, densely wooded in spots and rural. It is only an hour outside of Nashville, but it is certainly not over developed or heavily populated. There is also a lot of uninhabited ground that people do not walk or use on a regular basis.
    Thanks! Interesting local-color info. Sounds scary in a way... these days of crazy meth use...

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    From David Is Missing FB page:
    ~David met the "old man" @ LuLu's in Watertown on either, Sunday 7/29 or Saturday night 8/4.
    ~He went to the mans property twice, to pick up old brick with the old man.
    ~There were 2 older men laying block while David was there. These 2 men are VERY important to find also. They would know the property owner and the contractor.
    ~ David was able to drive from Donny and Laura's farm in Shop Springs to the mans property, pick up the brick, and then drive back in about an hour. This is an important clue in regard to the geography.
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    Also important: David DID NOT have a cell phone.
    Sleuthing....from the perch.

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    If David was in fact, bidding that job with the man his family said he'd seen twice before, I feel that David was either a) robbed or b) saw something he wasn't supposed to see and was hurt.

    the other option, of course, is that he got into a truck to work with a different man to bid a different job entirely.
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    I read the entire Facebook page and all the comments last night. There are a few things that stick out.

    1) David did not have a cell phone. He used a land line and phone records were checked but nothing came from them.

    2) David did not own a computer or use the internet so it was most likely not a job bid coming from a internet ad.

    3) David has visited the job site before and got some antique bricks from the "elderly gentleman".

    4) The job site must have been within a short driving distance from Shop Springs, TN. He left to pick up the antique bricks and returned within an hour, so the driving distance could not have been bery far.

    5) The Facebook page has not been very active since May of last year, except for people other than the administrators commenting.

    6) In one comment, someone questioned whether the "elderly gentleman" actually existed. What does it mean if the "elderly gentleman" did not exist? Why would David create an "elderly gentleman"? What would the purpose of that be?

    7) I noticed that in a description of David that he was described as "sober". I was wondering if this referred to a previous issues with either drugs or alcohol. PLEASE NOTE- I am not judging by putting this hereor trying to suggest he had issues, but if sobriety was a previous issue, it could be a factor in his disappearance. And I am saying this coming from the position of a spouse of a recovering alcoholic.

    8) There is no discussion of his mental state- had he ever suffered from depression, was he excited about his trip home to MI, had he just ended a relationship, etc.

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    Just a few more points.

    9) David was known to be a "give the shirt of his back" sort of man and kind as well.

    10) He had no known enemies or grudges with anyone.

    11) No other person, including an "elderly gentleman" was reported missing at or around this time. If the "elderly gentleman" was not reported missing or did not disappear, where is he and why has he not come forward? He was reported to be building a home for his child and their spouse so would they not be aware of his whereabouts?

    12) His stone masonry look to be of exceptional quality and David also was a beautiful artist.

    13) David has siblings as well as other family memebers, who appear to be very interested in his safe return, so I would take that to mean they are somewhat close.

    14) David first met the "elderly gentleman" at Lulu's Cafe' and Coffeehouse in Watertown at an evening of music sometime between 7-9 days before he disappeared.

    15) Others attending Lulu's that night have offered video and pictures from the evening and no unidentified people stuck out.

    16) Dogs were used in the parking lot at the Dollar General parking lot where David's truck was found and the dogs indicated that David got into another vehicle.

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    Thanks Cutter99 for the excellent list of points 1 -16!

    Seems there have a few cases in he past year I've been following of men just disappearing without a trace, or without cause...
    What kind of vehicle did he drive, and since that appears missing, I'm wondering if the could have gone off the road someplace by accident, or illness?

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