Judge's Order re: OP's Mental Health Eval

beach · Apr 13, 2014

Oscar Pistorius: South Africa gears up for its 'trial of the century'

(CNN) -- He was one of South Africa's favorite sons, an amputee track star who defied all the odds and sprinted into the hearts of millions during the 2012 Summer Olympics in London. She was a staggering beauty with the brains to match, a law graduate and model whose star was on the rise.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/africa/oscar-pistorius-trial-preview/

Pistorius channel goes on air in South Africa

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_306483/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Ip4glGHn
Watch live: Oscar Pistorius murder trial
Follow events from Pretoria as paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius appears in court accused of murdering his girlfriend, the model Reeva Steenkamp.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Watch-live-Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial.html

Links:

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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-UPDATES-Pistorius-broadcast-trial-ruling-20140225

http://www.channel24.co.za/TV/News/DStvs-Oscar-Pretorius-trial-TV-channel-wont-be-tabloid-20140228

Twitter:

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Live Streaming:

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http://www.702.co.za/shows/oscar_stream.asp

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-live-here-oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-day-9/

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Harmony 2 · May 18, 2014

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Zim · May 19, 2014

Am I first ?

zoran · May 19, 2014

darn it, yes

Zim · May 19, 2014

So many theories, ideas and versions.

I do not believe OP's version at ALL ! ( Intruder BS !)

This is how I personally see it. (IMOO)

OP was shouting to/at Reeva.
Running down the passage and then in the same room as her (bathroom) ...
She would have heard him and shouted back (it's me...its me !) (This being before he fired any 'deafening' shots...)
She knew he was there and he knew she was there.
That to me is murder !

I have no idea why... but he did it. He killed her !

zoran · May 19, 2014

How long will todays proceedings last. 1 hour?

Trooper · May 19, 2014

zoran said:
How long will todays proceedings last. 1 hour?

Zoran.. court is adjourned until 9.30am Tuesday morning, South Africa standard time, . which will be approx. 25 hours and 30 mins from my post..

Zim · May 19, 2014

zoran said:
How long will todays proceedings last. 1 hour?

I don't think proceedings are on today. I believe they are adjourned until Tuesday. (?)

zoran · May 19, 2014

Doah!

lithgow1 · May 19, 2014

This might be interesting. I can't read it as I've reached my 'ten free articles per month limit' so let me know if there's anything earth shattering won't you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...va-Steenkamp-on-instinct-his-father-says.html

BritsKate · May 19, 2014

Zim said:
So many theories, ideas and versions.

I do not believe OP's version at ALL ! ( Intruder BS !)

This is how I personally see it. (IMOO)

OP was shouting to/at Reeva.
Running down the passage and then in the same room as her (bathroom) ...
She would have heard him and shouted back (it's me...its me !) (This being before he fired any 'deafening' shots...)
She knew he was there and he knew she was there.
That to me is murder !

I have no idea why... but he did it. He killed her !

I think we all have theories as to why but, in reality, it's unlikely we'll ever really know.

I can honestly say the longer I follow these cases, the less I understand. You'd think taking a human life would matter - that doing so would only happen in extremes, that the taking of a life would haunt the murderer until they need to clear their conscience...

But the reality is just so different.

Like you, I think he deliberately murdered Reeva, likely for stupid and selfish reasons (like keeping her quiet), even though it seems so unconscionable that some people believe he couldn't have committed murder - but people are murdered many times over every day, all across the world, and very, very rarely is it ever for a reason that makes sense to us.

JMO

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Deleted member 102539 · May 19, 2014

Guten Morgen all over the world! It is 08:20 in my country. Breakfast is done and now ...

... IMO

If OP had done anything to slow down Reeva's saving intentionally, then he has shot her before deliberately too. Reason: RS to not being able in testifying about that evening/night re threat/beating/poss. one shot.
The devilish only just begins with the shots and it deserved be punished too.
(I'm naive, maybe. :blushing: )

I don't understand at all Nel and his lack of interest in things happened after the shots.

vansleuths · May 19, 2014

Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if the Tuesday decision is to commit him as an inpatient for psychiatric assessment and the wait for a bed is 1-2 years.

When he finally is done with the assessment, could there possibly be a new judge and prosecutor if the current ones have moved on to new cases and would the case just continue on from where it left off?

PrimeSuspect · May 19, 2014

lithgow1 said:
This might be interesting. I can't read it as I've reached my 'ten free articles per month limit' so let me know if there's anything earth shattering won't you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...va-Steenkamp-on-instinct-his-father-says.html

Interesting in that Henke Pistorius obviously shoots from the hip. :facepalm:

"When you are a sportsman, you act even more on instinct," he said. "It's instinct - things happen and that's what you do."

"When you wake up in the middle of the night - and crime is so endemic in South Africa - what do you do if somebody is in the house? Do you think it's one of your family? Of course you don't," he said. The family were keen hunters, he said, and his son had grown up with guns.

Edit: The article also mentions OP gave Reeva mouth to mouth. Is that true?

BritsKate · May 19, 2014

lithgow1 said:
This might be interesting. I can't read it as I've reached my 'ten free articles per month limit' so let me know if there's anything earth shattering won't you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...va-Steenkamp-on-instinct-his-father-says.html

Well, much of it is old news - the article is dated February 2013, but a machine gun under a window is mentioned (I can only assume that was mistaken) in addition to the 9mm. Henke Pistorius said he believed Oscar shot on instinct, as a sportsman. I'd think being a sportsman would require traits at odds with such 'instinct'. The Pistorius family is fully behind him and Oscar was crying in court.

You're not missing much.

(I hate that about the telegraph too but fyi - the 10 article limit doesn't apply to mobiles/cells, at least it never has for me, I'm on it daily - just in case that helps someone.)

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Trooper · May 19, 2014

PrimeSuspect said:
Interesting in that Henke Pistorius obviously shoots from the hip. :facepalm:

Edit: The article also mentions OP gave Reeva mouth to mouth. Is that true?

no one has testified to seeing that apparition ,Prime.. Dr Stipps, when he came in the door, testified to seeing Oscar with his fingers down Reeva's throat, his left hand on her shattered groin..' Dr Stipp said he may have thought he was doing some sort of rescusitation act, but it was too late. Reeva had been dead for some minutes, according to Dr Stipp, at that time.

Reeva had in her teeth clenched on Oscars fingers. Dr Stipp had to do a medical manoeuvre that released him from her grip.

At which point, he stood up, still wailing to God etc, and zipped upstairs alone for a few minutes.. Dr Stipp was so concerned by this, he asked Standar where the gun was.. he thought Oscar might be gone to off himself with the gun. Standar said the gun was being held in a safe place.. This was either a lie or a mistake, because , in fact, the gun was still loaded , cocked , unlocked and ready to fire still on the bathroom floor.

PrimeSuspect · May 19, 2014

BritsKate said:
I think we all have theories as to why but, in reality, it's unlikely we'll ever really know.

I can honestly say the longer I follow these cases, the less I understand. You'd think taking a human life would matter - that doing so would only happen in extremes, that the taking a life would haunt the murderer until they need to clear their conscience...

But the reality is just so different.
Like you, I think he deliberately murdered Reeva, likely for stupid and selfish reasons (like keeping her quiet), even though it seems so unconscionable that some people believe he couldn't have committed murder - but people are murdered many times over every day, all across the world, and very, very rarely is it ever for a reason that makes sense to us.

JMO

Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.

OP comes across very child like imo, probably why they support him, he's too itty-bitty cute to murder anyone. jmo :banghead:

BritsKate · May 19, 2014

FromGermany said:
Guten Morgen all over the world! It is 08:20 in my country. Breakfast is done and now ...

... IMO

If OP had done anything to slow down Reeva's saving intentionally, then he has shot her before deliberately too. Reason: RS to not being able in testifying about that evening/night re threat/beating/poss. one shot.
The devilish only just begins with the shots and it deserved be punished too.
(I'm naive, maybe. :blushing: )

I don't understand at all Nel and his lack of interest in things happened after the shots.

Its just my opinion but I think there are likely a few reasons the State has stipulated many of the post-shooting events.

1. Bench trial, so limiting extraneous and emotive testimony.

2. Witnesses to some events post-shooting.

3. It could be construed as potentially damaging that Oscar immediately concocted an intruder and was so emotional after shooting her. Every time the State mentions what happened after 3:17, its another opportunity for Oscar weeping over Reeva, trying to 'save' her, and bargaining with a deity. All of it could, in theory, be argued against premeditation. Obviously, many things could be argued for it too and that's what the State has spent much of its energy on.

MOO

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zoran · May 19, 2014

lithgow1 said:
This might be interesting. I can't read it as I've reached my 'ten free articles per month limit' so let me know if there's anything earth shattering won't you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...va-Steenkamp-on-instinct-his-father-says.html

The Denial gene is deeply bred into the Pistorius clan

lithgow1 · May 19, 2014

BritsKate said:
I think we all have theories as to why but, in reality, it's unlikely we'll ever really know.

I can honestly say the longer I follow these cases, the less I understand. You'd think taking a human life would matter - that doing so would only happen in extremes, that the taking a life would haunt the murderer until they need to clear their conscience...

But the reality is just so different.
Like you, I think he deliberately murdered Reeva, likely for stupid and selfish reasons (like keeping her quiet), even though it seems so unconscionable that some people believe he couldn't have committed murder - but people are murdered many times over every day, all across the world, and very, very rarely is it ever for a reason that makes sense to us.

JMO

Please pardon errors as posted via Tapatalk with a less than stellar user.

First off thanks for the round-up of the info in the dad's article. Thanks too prime suspect.

You make some interesting observations in this post and it reminded me of a couple of very different shows I saw on the CI channel - one on Ed Gein (the leatherface guy) and another on a 'garden variety' hitman murder paid for by the victim's husband. It made me think think that of the two, the husband's crime was the 'worse'. Gein was obviously insane whereas the other guy had his wife (and mother of his children) killed largely to save the money a divorce was going to cost him so it was a completely mercenary decision in which his state of mind was cold and rational as opposed to disordered and damaged.

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