Trial Discussion Thread #50 - 14.08.8, Day 40 ~final arguments continue~

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Oscar Pistorius: South Africa gears up for its 'trial of the century'

(CNN) -- He was one of South Africa's favorite sons, an amputee track star who defied all the odds and sprinted into the hearts of millions during the 2012 Summer Olympics in London. She was a staggering beauty with the brains to match, a law graduate and model whose star was on the rise.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/africa/oscar-pistorius-trial-preview/



Pistorius channel goes on air in South Africa

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_306483/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Ip4glGHn
Watch live: Oscar Pistorius murder trial
Follow events from Pretoria as paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius appears in court accused of murdering his girlfriend, the model Reeva Steenkamp.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Watch-live-Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial.html


Links:

Full Indictment-4 Counts-107 Witnesses

http://www.scribd.com/embeds/185695...=1&view_mode=scroll&show_recommendations=true

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-UPDATES-Pistorius-broadcast-trial-ruling-20140225

http://www.channel24.co.za/TV/News/DStvs-Oscar-Pretorius-trial-TV-channel-wont-be-tabloid-20140228


Twitter:

https://twitter.com/oscartrial199

https://twitter.com/GeraldImrayAP

https://twitter.com/Debora_Patta

Live Streaming:

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/oscar-pistorius-trial-live-stream/

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/97919-oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-live-streaming.html

http://www.702.co.za/shows/oscar_stream.asp

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-live-here-oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-day-9/

http://whoopwhoop.tv/pistorius2.htm

Live News Feed

http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Oscar_Pistorius_trial_4

Trial Video Archive:

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/one_off/oscar-pistorius-trial-archive/

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I think the people that are complaining about Nel's closing presentation, might be forgetting that he already presented the Judge with a written document, in organised outline form, and appropriate citations and case documents. And she already studied that BEFORE he gave his closing statement.

Because of that, his presentation takes on a very different tone. He is not speaking TO US, but to her. And he does so AFTER he reads Roux's explanations and arguments in defense. So Nel is basically discussing, with the judge, the important points that he knew needed highlighting and clarification.

The SA closing arguments are NOT like ours in a jury trial. So we should not compare apples to oranges. If we compare oranges to oranges, Nel did a brilliant job, imo. The judge was very engaged and even nodded in agreement a few key times. :judge:
 
This case cited by Nel was excellent, and it was confirmed by the Court of Appeal.

State versus Mlambo

“Moreover, if an accused deliberately takes the risk of giving false evidence in the hope of being convicted of a less serious crime or even, perchance, escaping conviction altogether and his evidence is declared to be false and irreconcilable with the proved facts a court will, in suitable cases, be fully justified in rejecting an argument that, notwithstanding that the accused did not avail himself of the opportunity to mitigate the gravity of the offence, he should nevertheless receive the same benefits as if he had done so”

The Mlambo decision (supra) was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court of Appeal in an unanimous judgment per Olivier JA"
 
Good afternoon, evening, morning all from the cool clear air in the Blue Mountains of Sydney.
 
Hippity skippity day from North Carolina. I didn't hit the snooze today, so I'm actually early! That's a first.
ATL, did you get Zwiebel up?
 
katydid23 said:
I think the people that are complaining about Nel's closing presentation, might be forgetting that he already presented the Judge with a written document, in organised outline form, and appropriate citations and case documents. And she already studied that BEFORE he gave his closing statement.

Because of that, his presentation takes on a very different tone. He is not speaking TO US, but to her. And he does so AFTER he reads Roux's explanations and arguments in defense. So Nel is basically discussing, with the judge, the important points that he knew needed highlighting and clarification.

The SA closing arguments are NOT like ours in a jury trial. So we should not compare apples to oranges. If we compare oranges to oranges, Nel did a brilliant job, imo. The judge was very engaged and even nodded in agreement a few key times. :judge:
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I'm a little confused about what exactly closing arguments are supposed to be if they are not to repeat what's in their written Heads of Argument. I read Nel's Heads last night, and his closing was essentially a near-verbatim recitation of his written argument.
 
Good morning from dark, hot Louisiana, USA!

I hope I can survive listening to Roux!
 
Morning all from a mountaintop in the Balkans where I'm surrounded by a white out of fog and rumbling thunder in the distance - good day for being in front of a computer screen, and I do have the luxury of being on the same time as Pretoria.
 
The death knell :D for putative self-defence.

“Perhaps the most damning aspect of the accused’s evidence is his inability to back-up his defence by admitting that he fired with the intention to kill or hurt the person/s he allegedly perceived to be attacking him.
His actions were never intended to protect him against the perceived attack.
It needs no argument that if he did not aim at the perceived threat then he cannot rely on putative self defence.”
 
minor4th said:
I'm a little confused about what exactly closing arguments are supposed to be if they are not to repeat what's in their written Heads of Argument. I read Nel's Heads last night, and his closing was essentially a near-verbatim recitation of his written argument.
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Aren't the PT's heads written before they see the DT's heads, so the closing arguments are the opportunity to respond to them?
 
Hi from :australia:


I just want to make a point that another poster made yesterday, English is Nel's second language, I am sure he is more articulate in his own language. :moo: :thinking:
 
PrimeSuspect said:
Hi from :australia:


I just want to make a point that another poster made yesterday, English is Nel's second language, I am sure he is more articulate in his own language. :moo: :thinking:
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Absolutely, PrimeSuspect!

**I love your smiley!! In fact, I love all the international people here. You all are the best!
 
Is anyone any clearer about whether it is ok to rely on two defences, ie OP didn't intend to shoot and kill anyone that night but, if the court finds he did, then he did it in self-defence? The SA legal expert on the sky news recap last night seemed to be saying it was ok to do that.
 
Plum cake doesn't look very glamorous, but it is the plum season (one fell on my head yesterday) and Germany does grow very nice plums.
 

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Plum cake doesn't look very glamorous, but it is the plum season (one fell on my head yesterday) and Germany does grow very nice plums.
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Oh, man, zwiebel! Thanks, and Good Morning to you!
 
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