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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeine View Post
    Wow. That's some pretty compelling stuff.

    @swjaxon

    It's seems quite likely there's a big tangled web here and even if LL isn't directly involved it seems like it's quite possible he got the ball rolling for Steven to perhaps get involved in something that was way over his head.
    Compelling and tangled, indeed!

    LL knows much that he isn't sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laughing View Post

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    Worth keeping an eye on:

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...-near-pahrump/

    The Nye County Sheriff’s Office alerted the Metropolitan Police Department of the human remains about 1:40 p.m., Metro officer Jay Rivera said. They were found just outside Pahrump, near Wheeler Pass Road in Clark County, he said.

    “Obviously it’s been out there for a while,” he said.

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    I know this is one of those cases with some very serious, invested and knowledgable sleuthers. I am far from that for this case. I tried searching to see if this has been considered but I couldn't find it -could the disappearance of Steven Koecher be connected to the disappearances of Jeramy Burt 2007 https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=jeramy+burt and Ahren Barnard 2004 https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=ahren+barnard from Boise? The main POI in those cases relocated to St. George at some point after Jeramy's disappearance. She allegedly started dating her now ex-husband there before moving to St. George. She now runs a lawn care company that does Christmas decorations: http://honeybeelawncare.com/ The disappearances of Barnard and Burt were both suspicious considering their possible testimony against the POI in various cases. Her ex-husband down in St. George is/was an attorney. Could Koecher have had any involvement in a legal case? Was the Christmas decoration company ever identified?

    On a side note, it looks like Keocher and GW were both from Northern Utah, originally (I found where GW got a speeding ticket in Idaho in 2005). Burt was originally from American Falls in Eastern Idaho. I'm really sorry if this possible connection has already been thoroughly exhausted. I did try to see if it had before posting.
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    If you search Mr Barnard and the name of Jeramy's attorney/poi there is an interesting thread with 'context'. Thanks WA!

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    Just bumping for Steven. I’ve thought about him on and off since I first saw the Disappeared episode in the spring of 2011. Each one of us has wondered about what happened to him. Was he accidentally killed, murdered, or ended his life in the desert? Each one of those scenarios seems likely and unlikely at the same time.

    His case hits some of us a little close to home than others. I know that I can relate. I did everything right in life, such as a college degree, volunteer work in another country, and being friendly to others just to end up jobless and moving from place to place in difficult living situations. Even visiting family can be painful when those who worked half as hard and don’t attend any church services get better jobs and lifestyles while gossiping and throwing curveball words about my life at me. It can be painful.

    Anyway, I have thought about how Steven’s life would have been like had he never gone to Henderson. Granted, I would never have known that he existed, since the Disappeared episode was my introduction to him. Would he have a decent job today? Would he be married with kids? I’d like to think so. I never knew him, but in a strange way, can sense what his day to day life was like in the late fall of 2009: his frustration, depression, eagerness to work again, emotional pain when waking up and going to bed, viewing a dwindling bank account hoping that the new year will be better, etc.

    Where ever Steven is, I hope he is well. If he has passed away, the world lost a valuable soul. I am certain though that the next world is much better. As time goes on, it is important to keep his memory alive. Eight years doesn’t have the same significance as ten, fifteen, or twenty, but hopefully each one of us can think about him on December 13 and say a prayer or light a candle or both. God bless you Steven and your family, friends, and supporters on Websleuths.

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    I can't get over the odd long-range driving trips in the month before his death. Why wouldn't he mention it to anyone? On the one hand, he didn't seem to be hiding it (stopped at the friend's house); on the other, he didn't mention it. Such a coincidence that this driving happened so close to his disappearance.

    I've never thought this before, but the landlord having an RX delivery service (if I recall correctly) is also coincidental. Did he agree to make some "deliveries" of whatever for him? What other reason????

    Then, why on earth would the LL be calling him early in the morning after they'd already had a payment plan or such in place? Methinks he is the key here.

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    8 years later and still thinking of you, Steven. Wherever you are, I hope you're at peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timsmith View Post
    Just bumping for Steven. I’ve thought about him on and off since I first saw the Disappeared episode in the spring of 2011. Each one of us has wondered about what happened to him. Was he accidentally killed, murdered, or ended his life in the desert? Each one of those scenarios seems likely and unlikely at the same time.

    His case hits some of us a little close to home than others. I know that I can relate. I did everything right in life, such as a college degree, volunteer work in another country, and being friendly to others just to end up jobless and moving from place to place in difficult living situations. Even visiting family can be painful when those who worked half as hard and don’t attend any church services get better jobs and lifestyles while gossiping and throwing curveball words about my life at me. It can be painful.

    Anyway, I have thought about how Steven’s life would have been like had he never gone to Henderson. Granted, I would never have known that he existed, since the Disappeared episode was my introduction to him. Would he have a decent job today? Would he be married with kids? I’d like to think so. I never knew him, but in a strange way, can sense what his day to day life was like in the late fall of 2009: his frustration, depression, eagerness to work again, emotional pain when waking up and going to bed, viewing a dwindling bank account hoping that the new year will be better, etc.

    Where ever Steven is, I hope he is well. If he has passed away, the world lost a valuable soul. I am certain though that the next world is much better. As time goes on, it is important to keep his memory alive. Eight years doesn’t have the same significance as ten, fifteen, or twenty, but hopefully each one of us can think about him on December 13 and say a prayer or light a candle or both. God bless you Steven and your family, friends, and supporters on Websleuths.
    I do think that SK felt under tremendous pressure to be married and have a great career, etc., due to him having "checked all the right boxes". It's such a shame, though. Some of the very best people in life never marry, never have wonderful jobs, never have many, if any, friends, etc. Those things simply can't be expected. It's such a mystery, and so sad, to me that anyone expects such.

    My experience in life, having been graduated from college, coming from a good family, doing charitable work, etc., is that life if FULL OF PAIN. Simply full of it. I always hope to have enough money to live on -hopefully one day more than that- but it's never occurred to me that I should expect to have such. That I should expect to be married and have children or any of the other wonderful advantages the world sometimes has to offer. (Eventually, I did marry, but very late in life, and I'm just incredibly grateful for that.) I look back at all the Catholic Saints who were....SAINTS.... and led absolutely miserable temporal lives. In fact, so many times in life, the very best people are made even better people by horrific circumstances. Of course, I can certainly understand frustration on SK's part, but to have the expectation of steady, good pay; marriage; friends; etc., is simply unrealistic.

    I do think he was likely somewhat depressed, but none of the evidence seems to point to suicide, and from everything I've read about him, even if depressed, would be more likely to retreat from the sources of reminder of his situation (family/friends) and to tackle the money problem with more gusto/ingenuity, etc. I really don't think he committed suicide but, rather, met some unsavory character(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fridaybaker View Post
    I do think that SK felt under tremendous pressure to be married and have a great career, etc., due to him having "checked all the right boxes". It's such a shame, though. Some of the very best people in life never marry, never have wonderful jobs, never have many, if any, friends, etc. Those things simply can't be expected. It's such a mystery, and so sad, to me that anyone expects such.

    My experience in life, having been graduated from college, coming from a good family, doing charitable work, etc., is that life if FULL OF PAIN. Simply full of it. I always hope to have enough money to live on -hopefully one day more than that- but it's never occurred to me that I should expect to have such. That I should expect to be married and have children or any of the other wonderful advantages the world sometimes has to offer. (Eventually, I did marry, but very late in life, and I'm just incredibly grateful for that.) I look back at all the Catholic Saints who were....SAINTS.... and led absolutely miserable temporal lives. In fact, so many times in life, the very best people are made even better people by horrific circumstances. Of course, I can certainly understand frustration on SK's part, but to have the expectation of steady, good pay; marriage; friends; etc., is simply unrealistic.

    I do think he was likely somewhat depressed, but none of the evidence seems to point to suicide, and from everything I've read about him, even if depressed, would be more likely to retreat from the sources of reminder of his situation (family/friends) and to tackle the money problem with more gusto/ingenuity, etc. I really don't think he committed suicide but, rather, met some unsavory character(s).
    Koecher's family looked at his cell phone after it was recovered. They were able to match every phone number found to someone they knew. Steven didn't have any gay lovers or a new job as a drug runner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FasHawks8 View Post
    Koecher's family looked at his cell phone after it was recovered. They were able to match every phone number found to someone they knew. Steven didn't have any gay lovers or a new job as a drug runner.
    I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that someone he knew either put him in a position to be harmed, or harmed him themselves.

    The fact that everyone on his phone bill "checked out" means nothing as Stephen himself obviously can't vouch for them at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caffeine View Post
    I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that someone he knew either put him in a position to be harmed, or harmed him themselves.

    The fact that everyone on his phone bill "checked out" means nothing as Stephen himself obviously can't vouch for them at this point.
    It was actually the Police that were able to account for the phone numbers in his phone:

    "It happened when Steven's cell phone records were searched. Every call was easily identified"
    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...hn.html?pg=all

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    The numbers on the cell phone being tracked down and identified is interesting, but I'm not sure it tells us much. Yes, it could be one of those people (or anyone else he knew) who "disappeared" him. Or, it could also have been someone who offered him some "side work"/"for the time being work", etc. and gave him a burner-type phone to use. Or not. I think all evidence points to him having been "disappeared", though. Not suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fridaybaker View Post
    I think all evidence points to him having been "disappeared", though. Not suicide.
    Hi fridaybaker,
    This is from a Las Sun article marking the one year anniversary of Koecher's disappearance:

    "At this point in time, we have found absolutely no evidence of foul play in this matter," Henderson Police spokesman Keith Paul said."

    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/sear...vegas/78461038

    Has there been new evidence that's come out since that time?

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