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    new forum user....

    what is so interesting about this case that it has its own sub-forum on this site... my googling suggested very sad but not terribly unique spousal murder for $$$$ case

    thx in advance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Websleuthbc View Post
    new forum user....

    what is so interesting about this case that it has its own sub-forum on this site... my googling suggested very sad but not terribly unique spousal murder for $$$$ case

    thx in advance...
    Husband's childhood BFF (who was the hired hitman) drove 1100 miles from MO, with a stupid sidekick who brought a cell phone, and had the self-proclaimed nickname "the hammer". The BFF has been linked to several other murders/disappearances. The whole lot of them were into wife swapping, and lots of tangled relationships and marriages. And then there's the little things like husband playing with the kids on the roof.

    That's just what i can think of offhand.

    This is probably the most bizarre and convoluted that I've ever followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyle_E_Coyote View Post
    Husband's childhood BFF (who was the hired hitman) drove 1100 miles from MO, with a stupid sidekick who brought a cell phone, and had the self-proclaimed nickname "the hammer". The BFF has been linked to several other murders/disappearances. The whole lot of them were into wife swapping, and lots of tangled relationships and marriages. And then there's the little things like husband playing with the kids on the roof.

    That's just what i can think of offhand.

    This is probably the most bizarre and convoluted that I've ever followed.

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    Thanks for explaining why there is a sub forum, Wylie. I almost gave it a try and opted out. Yes, there was waaaaay to much to keep track of on just one thread, but I remember some were not happy with the decision to make a subforum with multiple topics. As it turned out, it was a good decision in this particular extremely complicated case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilibet View Post
    Thanks for explaining why there is a sub forum, Wylie. I almost gave it a try and opted out. Yes, there was waaaaay to much to keep track of on just one thread, but I remember some were not happy with the decision to make a subforum with multiple topics. As it turned out, it was a good decision in this particular extremely complicated case.
    There's just so much!

    There were, what, four case insiders IIRC. No, I think there were even more, because there were multiple patients of Teresa's posting.

    One member had a relative who lived across the street from the Seivers, so we got play-by-plays whenever something happened at the house.

    There were people emailing Tricia who had info but were too afraid of the players to even sign up to post.

    With Florida's sunshine laws there's been tons of very detailed documentation released... with phone records, a sex diary, just unbelievable.

    And it all started with a million dollar gogivememoney started on the day of the murder.

    Oh, and I forgot... husband and his BFF almost looked like twins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyle_E_Coyote View Post
    Husband's childhood BFF (who was the hired hitman) drove 1100 miles from MO, with a stupid sidekick who brought a cell phone, and had the self-proclaimed nickname "the hammer". The BFF has been linked to several other murders/disappearances. The whole lot of them were into wife swapping, and lots of tangled relationships and marriages. And then there's the little things like husband playing with the kids on the roof.

    That's just what i can think of offhand.

    This is probably the most bizarre and convoluted that I've ever followed.

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    I burst out laughing with the nickname you gave JR. Hoping the trial starts soon!


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    JR gave himself that nickname.....it was on his FB page!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWFlorida View Post
    JR gave himself that nickname.....it was on his FB page!
    I'm thinking "hammer" isn't the nickname the poster was talking about and knows that it was one he gave himself. IT was the "stupid sidekick" that is hysterical. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyle_E_Coyote View Post
    There's just so much!

    There were, what, four case insiders IIRC. No, I think there were even more, because there were multiple patients of Teresa's posting.

    One member had a relative who lived across the street from the Seivers, so we got play-by-plays whenever something happened at the house.

    There were people emailing Tricia who had info but were too afraid of the players to even sign up to post.

    With Florida's sunshine laws there's been tons of very detailed documentation released... with phone records, a sex diary, just unbelievable.

    And it all started with a million dollar gogivememoney started on the day of the murder.

    Oh, and I forgot... husband and his BFF almost looked like twins.

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    Just watched an ID show on this unfortunate case. However I can understand why the previous poster is asking why thereís a separate forum at the top of the website. Nothing offensive to ms Sievers at all, but what decides who gets the major spotlight?

    Since I canít access WS via mobile browser, Iím only able to use tapatalk which I have a hard time navigating. So I know I have a lot of reading and educating to do. For the record, I think the husband is guilty AF. But as someone who has done accounting for small businesses for 10+ years, an Amex balance of $4k isnít the end of the world. At my previous employer (with 4-6 Corp Amex cards, most has monthly limits) our monthly balance was regularly $40-65k per month. Yes I understand they had money issues, but I read a VI post about the Amex balance and just wanted to give another perspective.

    Again, Iím reading backwards and going off the ID show, so I hope I donít offend those who have been on the forum since it was originally on the homepage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wondering25 View Post
    Many spouses of physicians will tell you that the MD is married to their practice. i am sure there is some truth to this.
    I once knew a couple where the husband had considerably less income prior to the marriage as an on again, but then off again for a while contractor than his MD wife.

    Anyways, one thing I noticed is that the husband could give the impression that he was a "shot caller" behind the scenes by serving as sort of a coach or general manager of his wife and her medical practice.

    Likewise, this particular husband openly enjoyed the new life style that came with the marriage and also greatly exaggerated his financial contributions to the family income. In reality, he became largely a house husband following the marriage.

    I wonder if the perpetrator was also like this man- but then took it several steps further: Maybe he became a frustrated alpha male who though he had access to the life style of a doctor, also wanted personal recognition and prestige. Not being able to obtain those things through his own merits, resentment built?
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