AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #3

Bohemian said:

I've had some thoughts after reading this thread over the past six weeks. This is what I've come up with. I'd be interested to read any constructive criticism. If any dates or places are incorrect, please let me know.

Karlie may have already supplied documents to Centrelink verifying her identity before she was killed. The person posing as Karlie wouldn't need to show them at an interview. All other transactions and contact can be done by phone or on the internet. In any case, Karlie would probably be carrying identity documents with her if she was going to be working whilst away from home in Alice Springs.

Maybe Karlie met up with her killer in Adelaide; even on the promise of working for them. After her murder, the KP Drilling Company may have been set up by Karlie's killer, using her identity documents, in order to apply for ever increasing loans from the credit union or other sources (maybe that's where the deposits due to fraud come in). Much easier to get a loan if you are a small business, after making even small, regular deposits, than it is if you receive Centrelink benefits. The multiple ATM withdrawals that were made in NT (and elsewhere) could have been connected with a person who has a truck-mounted (or towed) portable rig used to drill for bore water.

Maybe the stop in Mount Gambier was to pick someone else up on the way to Canberra, possibly the person who lived in Charnwood and who was known to Karlie and/or her killer. Or just to visit family living there.

Karlie was probably killed sometime just before Christmas in 2008, around the time she withdrew money from the ATM in Charnwood. Either she went willingly with her killer toward Sydney and was killed in Belanglo State Forest or she could have been killed shortly before (maybe even at the Charnwood house.) As to the killer's motives for killing her at that time, I have no clue.

As for little Khandalyce, maybe she was left in Canberra whilst Karlie went on her final trip. The killer returned and took Khandalyce back to Adelaide, with or without an excuse as to why Karlie hadn't returned with them. There are many possibilities as to why Khandalyce may have been murdered. She may have been considered of no use to her mother's killer, her murder was due to violent abuse or to control someone else with her remains being used as a reminder of their own tenuous grip on life. Maybe Khandalyce's remains were moved once the Angel's killer was incarcerated or the other party finally managed to escape. Or the killer got rid of Khandalyce's remains when they moved away or her mother's remains were found (ie, there was a risk that the jig would be up).

I wonder if this person has preyed upon other young women before Karlie, with or without children such as Khandalyce, and this time just saw a chance to take advantage of them even after their deaths at their hand. A very disturbed individual, not to mention the people who were accessories.

Sorry this post is so long, the cogs in my brain turn slowly.

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TTF14 said:

What would be the reason someone besides Karlie would continue to deposit money into her account, either AS Karlie or as themselves?

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TTF14 said:

What would be the reason someone besides Karlie would continue to deposit money into her account, either AS Karlie or as themselves?

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sosocurious said:

Police say murder victim Karlie Pearce-Stevenson's bank account was used more than 1,200 times after she disappeared in 2008.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-27/timeline-karlie-pearce-stevenson-bank-account-activity/6890008

Bank account was used 1200 times .... would that be withdrawals, eftpos etc or would it also include deposits?

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Bohemian said:

Fraudster fooled Karlie's Mum

The Australian
Meredith Booth & Dan Box
3 hours ago

Paraphrased (article behind paywall) at:

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/subsc...1d32840a78d06bcc-1445963054&memtype=anonymous

Additional information to that already published:

Article reports that 'a woman made a series of phone calls to Karlie's mother, impersonating Karlie, repeatedly asking for money to be deposited into Karlie's bank account, after Karlie was dead.'

So Karlie's Mum passed away in 2012 and Karlie's bank account ceased to be used around that time? They'd been using it to scam money from Karlie's Mum for about 3 years after Karlie was killed? These people must have no conscience whatsoever IMO.

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sosocurious said:

A large amount of money that went into her account that was wages from a person ....... wages kind of implies with some regularity.
Maybe a person was being blackmailed.

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Bohemian said:

Fraudster fooled Karlie's Mum

The Australian
Meredith Booth & Dan Box
3 hours ago

Paraphrased (article behind paywall) at:

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/subsc...1d32840a78d06bcc-1445963054&memtype=anonymous

Additional information to that already published:

Article reports that 'a woman made a series of phone calls to Karlie's mother, impersonating Karlie, repeatedly asking for money to be deposited into Karlie's bank account, after Karlie was dead.'

So Karlie's Mum passed away in 2012 and Karlie's bank account ceased to be used around that time? They'd been using it to scam money from Karlie's Mum for about 3 years after Karlie was killed? These people must have no conscience whatsoever IMO.

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DutchTreat said:

How on earth do you fool a mother into thinking she's speaking to her own daughter???
She must have sounded like her, known an awful lot about her etc.

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Makara said:

They may have wanted to hide income they were getting from other sources. If they deposited money into their own accounts and couldn't explain where it came from, there's a chance they could have been investigated by the ATO etc. Depositing money into Karlie's account was a safer option. If anyone questioned where the money was coming from in Karlie's account, the fraudsters could have just cut their losses and moved on.

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• It can be confirmed that Karlie and Khandalyce were killed in mid to late December 2008 and the last confirmed reported sighting was in Charnwood in Canberra.

• Karlie and Khandalyce were killed at different times and at different locations.

• A significant development in the investigation has been that people who are believed to be the offenders and others have taken over Karlie's identity, her telephone, her bank accounts, her Centrelink and family payments.

• In relation to Karlie's mobile phone, those involved in her murder retained her phone and it was used until mid 2011. It is believed that the phone was kept and used to provide some proof of life and to mislead family, friends and law enforcement by suggesting that Karlie was still alive because of activity on her phone.

• From time to time the message bank of Karlie's phone was accessed. Offenders sent some replies to those text messages confirming that Karlie was alive and well and elsewhere. Some of those SMS messages were sent to family members to again suggest that Karlie was still alive.

• On a couple of occasions maybe more, a female falsely represented herself to be Karlie in communication with either family or friends. Some of these communications induced someone in Karlie's family to forward some money and that money was later withdrawn by offenders in this matter.

• Karlie's phone was used to help those involved in this crime to perpetuate other frauds and obtain money.

• Karlie's bank account was accessed in at least four different states, NT, SA, NSW and ACT. Centrelink and family allowance payments and other money was taken from Karlie's account. There is still a lot of material to go through and records to obtain.

• A large amount of money also went into Karlie's account. That was from wages of a person, fraud and other unknown sources. All up it is believed that over $90,000 was transacted through Karlie's account.

• On 24 June 2010 a female in a wheelchair accompanied by a male person attended the Australian Central Credit Union in Elizabeth to update banking records and engage in conversations with the bank. Those people were in possession of identity documents and were able to convince the bank that in fact the female that was present was Karlie.

• Karlie's bank card was also used several times at the Royal Adelaide Hospital in 2010 and was last used in March 2012 in Charnwood in Canberra.

• There is a significant focus on the financial investigation in Charnwood, Canberra and also in South Australia.

• Karlie's bank account was finally closed in 2015 after a lengthy period of inactivity.

• In relation to the Centrelink and family benefit payments, on 15 December 2010 a female attended Centrelink at Salisbury and falsely represented that she was in fact Karlie and produced identity documents for herself and Khandalyce. It's yet to be determined if this female is the same as the one in the wheelchair.

• The last payments through Centrelink were in 2011.

• In respect to what is known about the suspects involved in the financial aspects of the bank account transactions, Centrelink fraud and use of the phone, at least one offender is a male, there may have been more and at least two are females and those suspects either resided at or associated with or were listed in connection with properties at Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood in Canberra.

• Most of the bank transactions in South Australia were in the northern and north eastern suburbs except for those that were done en route between Alice Springs and the eastern states.

• It needs to be determined if those involved in the frauds were involved in the murders. It's clear that some of those people involved in the frauds knew without doubt that Karlie and Khandalyce were dead and continued with their role. The focus of the financial investigation is to determine the role of those people who were involved in those frauds and to see whether they were involved before the deaths, during the deaths or after the deaths.

• Anyone who was involved in any way, or assists anybody involved in this terrible crime, or impedes the investigation or withholds information deliberately to help the offenders, faces a very lengthy term in prison.